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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 5, 2017 13:15:19 GMT
Agreed, Ultron has to be the most disappointing villain in the MCU to date. (I also thought GOTG could have done more with Ronan, but it wouldn't have fit the tone of that film.) He was killing it as a sinister threat in the trailers. That one shot of him turning back and looking toward the camera was better than any line of dialog. He just had a look of contempt that told you everything you needed to know. How can a robot show contempt?! Then the movie hits and he's apologizing for ripping off limbs, forgetting what children are called, etc. It just didn't work. He has his moments to be sure, but the character is too uneven to be taken seriously, which really takes away from the overall experience. He even makes jokes as he's getting his ass kicked at the end. Ultimately I think they wanted to breathe some life into him with a personality that separated him from Agent Smith from The Matrix or countless other 'killer AI' types throughout cinema history. They just took it too far in the comic relief direction when there was already an overabundance of it with the central characters. So in other words, you wanted the story to be all about the villain with the heroes as nothing more than reactors to him and you were PO'ed they didn't forget that the story is about the Avengers first and foremost? Who's pissed off? I wanted a villain worthy of Earth's Mightiest Heroes. I mean hell, I loved the movie regardless. I've said as much elsewhere in the thread, it's still in my MCU top five. The movie doesn't need to be about Ultron, he could have the same amount of screen time and spent it being sinister instead of sarcastic. Ultron was the most disappointing villain based on potential from the source material as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 18:18:05 GMT
The movie started out great imo, but fell flat near the end.
Ultron ultimately never amounted to much. He never stood a chance, really. Not much of an interedting villain. But his awakening was brilliant, that first speech was ominous, great.
And Quicksilver dying was ridiculous. Tje fastest man alive got shot? Really?
The X-Men movies probably spoiled me with their Quicksilver version.
Nevertheless, Age of Ultron is not a bad movie, but never really overcame the feeling of being a middle movie, only leading to the next step in a larger tale. And that's a shame. Imo anyway.
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Post by charzhino on May 5, 2017 18:38:38 GMT
Amplify the villains sinister intent by 5, cut down the lame jokes by 2 and get rid of that useless Banner/Natasha subplot and you would have a great sequel to match the 1st Avengers. Joss Whedon clearly had these ideas but was forced to fit in items by Feige.
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Post by charzhino on May 5, 2017 18:42:49 GMT
So in other words, you wanted the story to be all about the villain with the heroes as nothing more than reactors to him and you were PO'ed they didn't forget that the story is about the Avengers first and foremost? The story doesn't need to be all about the villain, just take the villain a little more seriously rather than giving him omlette jokes and over the top goofiness.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 5, 2017 19:25:48 GMT
Amplify the villains sinister intent by 5, cut down the lame jokes by 2 and get rid of that useless Banner/Natasha subplot and you would have a great sequel to match the 1st Avengers. Joss Whedon clearly had these ideas but was forced to fit in items by Feige. I think it's the opposite, Whedon was given more free reign on this film instead of being forced to do stuff.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 7, 2017 16:57:26 GMT
Amplify the villains sinister intent by 5, cut down the lame jokes by 2 and get rid of that useless Banner/Natasha subplot and you would have a great sequel to match the 1st Avengers. Joss Whedon clearly had these ideas but was forced to fit in items by Feige. I think it's the opposite, Whedon was given more free reign on this film instead of being forced to do stuff. Disagree. Whedon's wisdom will now serve the DCEU while the MCU will perish...
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 17:52:18 GMT
Ultron, underrated? Hmmm. I both agree and disagree. It was always supposed to be a fun action romp and in that regard it succeeds. It is an enjoyable popcorn movie for sure. But at the same time Whedon promised a more character driven, darker part two (even referencing Godfather II!) and this film is decidedly not that. Also a lot of what worked the first time now falls flat. The relationships seemed forced and the dialogue is way too cutesy.
And that orange and teal color grading is beyond nauseating! 😫
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Post by formersamhmd on May 7, 2017 18:17:11 GMT
I think it's the opposite, Whedon was given more free reign on this film instead of being forced to do stuff. Disagree. Whedon's wisdom will now serve the DCEU while the MCU will perish... Doubtful, DCEU interferes more than MCU ever did.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 7, 2017 18:24:12 GMT
Disagree. Whedon's wisdom will now serve the DCEU while the MCU will perish... Doubtful, DCEU interferes more than MCU ever did. They will presumably give him carte blanche because he is responsible for 100% of the MCU's success. Without him, Guardians 2 was only rated a 5.5/10.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 8, 2017 2:30:29 GMT
Doubtful, DCEU interferes more than MCU ever did. They will presumably give him carte blanche because he is responsible for 100% of the MCU's success. Without him, Guardians 2 was only rated a 5.5/10. You still haven't pointed out where that rating comes from. IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes both state otherwise.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 8, 2017 4:14:19 GMT
They will presumably give him carte blanche because he is responsible for 100% of the MCU's success. Without him, Guardians 2 was only rated a 5.5/10. You still haven't pointed out where that rating comes from. IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes both state otherwise. I most certainly have, even started a whole thread about it.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 8, 2017 13:18:10 GMT
You still haven't pointed out where that rating comes from. IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes both state otherwise. I most certainly have, even started a whole thread about it. Link to these ratings.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 8, 2017 13:36:01 GMT
I most certainly have, even started a whole thread about it. Link to these ratings. I read about them in this thread right here, sir.
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Post by Stuart "2-D" Pot on May 8, 2017 13:42:24 GMT
I most certainly have, even started a whole thread about it. Link to these ratings. Don't lizten to him Zamhmd. It'z only encouraging him.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 8, 2017 13:42:55 GMT
It's higher than 5.5, and both IMDB (which more people know about) and Rottentomatoes have higher scores from much higher samples.
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