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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 11, 2020 22:36:37 GMT
Like throughout history, if a white race enslaved the same race as them.
Or a race other than white, enslaving their own race as well is just as bad?
Anyone at all agree?
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Post by politicidal on Jul 11, 2020 23:15:35 GMT
Yes, I'd think (or hope to god anyway) most would say that it wasn't good.
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Post by clusium on Jul 11, 2020 23:24:21 GMT
Like throughout history, if a white race enslaved the same race as them.
Or a race other than white, enslaving their own race as well is just as bad?
Anyone at all agree?
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 11, 2020 23:39:35 GMT
Like throughout history, if a white race enslaved the same race as them.
Or a race other than white, enslaving their own race as well is just as bad?
Anyone at all agree?
Naaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!! INdeed, indeed. |
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jul 12, 2020 1:02:17 GMT
Like throughout history, if a white race enslaved the same race as them.
Or a race other than white, enslaving their own race as well is just as bad?
Anyone at all agree?
What if i told you that white people have enslaved other white people And what if i told you that other races have enslaves white people. In contrast to what some people seem to think the slave trade from Africa to North America is not the only slave trade in history. and black people are not the only race that has been slaves. And other races have enslaved races that are the same as them. Read a history book. And yes slavery is bad. |
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 12, 2020 2:13:09 GMT
Like throughout history, if a white race enslaved the same race as them.
Or a race other than white, enslaving their own race as well is just as bad?
Anyone at all agree?
What if i told you that white people have enslaved other white people And what if i told you that other races have enslaves white people. In contrast to what some people seem to think the slave trade from Africa to North America is not the only slave trade in history. and black people are not the only race that has been slaves. And other races have enslaved races that are the same as them. Read a history book. And yes slavery is bad. Pretty much what i said. |
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Post by sadsaak on Jul 12, 2020 11:12:48 GMT
Like throughout history, if a white race enslaved the same race as them.
Or a race other than white, enslaving their own race as well is just as bad?
Anyone at all agree?
They did.
In the Middle Ages Europe had both actual slaves and serfs, which was pretty much the same thing.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 12, 2020 11:39:59 GMT
Slavery is a practice that virtually no human group has failed to participate in at some point in its history, even those groups whom we tend to think of as too 'noble' to have engaged in such: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_Native_Americans_in_the_United_StatesWe're only just beginning to reach the point in our species' ethical evolution to recognize it as an outright evil, and the recognition is still confined primarily to 'first-world' highly developed nations who've reached a great enough peak of automated industrialization to feel capable of dispensing with bondage slavery. And even in those societies, wage and debt slavery still continue on a gargantuan scale. |
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Post by hi224 on Jul 13, 2020 16:12:38 GMT
What the fuck?.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 13, 2020 17:15:22 GMT
Relax, it's just that joetorrance chap. At least I think it is. |
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Aug 8, 2020 5:52:32 GMT
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 8, 2020 19:13:59 GMT
It's very hard to think of anything good to say about slavery. Even when people have sold themselves into it, they did so for a higher quality of life than they would have had otherwise.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Aug 8, 2020 20:46:36 GMT
What? everyone agrees, what's the prob.?
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Post by politicidal on Aug 10, 2020 1:15:28 GMT
What? everyone agrees, what's the prob.? Relax, I explained it.
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Post by sadsaak on Aug 10, 2020 6:00:53 GMT
It's very hard to think of anything good to say about slavery. Even when people have sold themselves into it, they did so for a higher quality of life than they would have had otherwise.
It saved lives. The word lord comes from the word hlaford, which means loaf giver. So in times of famine folk would sell themselves into slavery in return for food, shelter and protection.
Slavery was common all over Europe during the Middle Ages although the Normans opposed it. They felt that slaves were all very well when they were young and fit, but not such a good idea when they grew old and unable to work, but still had to be fed.
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Post by lunda2222 on Aug 11, 2020 2:06:18 GMT
Good? No, not by any stretch of the imagination.
It may, however have been neccessary evil for humanity to get where it is at now.
All the ancient civilizations arose on the backs of slave labour.
Without an educated elite who arose because of it people like Archimedes, Pythagoras or Aristotle may not have been able to contribute their respectable innovations to society.
We may actually still be in a stone age today if it weren't for slave labour.
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Post by permutojoe on Aug 23, 2020 16:02:35 GMT
Good? No, not by any stretch of the imagination. It may, however have been neccessary evil for humanity to get where it is at now. All the ancient civilizations arose on the backs of slave labour. Without an educated elite who arose because of it people like Archimedes, Pythagoras or Aristotle may not have been able to contribute their respectable innovations to society.We may actually still be in a stone age today if it weren't for slave labour. Was mass slave labor needed in order to give important potential intellects (and the historians who wrote about them) enough leisure time to become educated, ponder, and record their own ideas? Also how big and successful of an empire would you need in order to have these ideas last long enough to have them passed on to other civilizations over time? I'm not sure I am ready to get on board with this premise right off the bat but it's an interesting thought.
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Post by lunda2222 on Aug 24, 2020 1:22:43 GMT
Good? No, not by any stretch of the imagination. It may, however have been neccessary evil for humanity to get where it is at now. All the ancient civilizations arose on the backs of slave labour. Without an educated elite who arose because of it people like Archimedes, Pythagoras or Aristotle may not have been able to contribute their respectable innovations to society.We may actually still be in a stone age today if it weren't for slave labour. Was mass slave labor needed in order to give important potential intellects (and the historians who wrote about them) enough leisure time to become educated, ponder, and record their own ideas? Also how big and successful of an empire would you need in order to have these ideas last long enough to have them passed on to other civilizations over time? I'm not sure I am ready to get on board with this premise right off the bat but it's an interesting thought. Well first of, you can say there are three distinct groups of ancient civilizations that grew up separately of each other (more actually, but these are the ones that left enough evidence behind them that we can draw some conclusions).
The Eastern civilizations like China, the Harappan empire (located in todays India) etc.
The civilizations around the Mediterranian Sea, including Northern Africa and the Middle Eastern civilizations such as Persia and the ones in the Palestine Basin.
And the South American civilizations such as the Aztec, Inca, Maya etc.
All these three have three things in common: They had extensive contact with each other inside their respective groups. They flourished independent on the other groups. And all of them flourished on he backs of slave labour.
That alone should be fairly compelling (not conclusive though) evidence that slave labour was neccesary for them to develop their own technologies, cultures etc. But it should also answer your second question: Not very long, provided they had contact with each other.
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Post by permutojoe on Aug 25, 2020 16:41:25 GMT
Was mass slave labor needed in order to give important potential intellects (and the historians who wrote about them) enough leisure time to become educated, ponder, and record their own ideas? Also how big and successful of an empire would you need in order to have these ideas last long enough to have them passed on to other civilizations over time? I'm not sure I am ready to get on board with this premise right off the bat but it's an interesting thought. Well first of, you can say there are three distinct groups of ancient civilizations that grew up separately of each other (more actually, but these are the ones that left enough evidence behind them that we can draw some conclusions).
The Eastern civilizations like China, the Harappan empire (located in todays India) etc.
The civilizations around the Mediterranian Sea, including Northern Africa and the Middle Eastern civilizations such as Persia and the ones in the Palestine Basin.
And the South American civilizations such as the Aztec, Inca, Maya etc.
All these three have three things in common: They had extensive contact with each other inside their respective groups. They flourished independent on the other groups. And all of them flourished on he backs of slave labour.
That alone should be fairly compelling (not conclusive though) evidence that slave labour was neccesary for them to develop their own technologies, cultures etc. But it should also answer your second question: Not very long, provided they had contact with each other.
Well I have a theory which says roughly that people who gain political power, especially at the national or imperial level, tend to be sociopaths. If true that would possibly make slavery a predilection of those in charge but not necessarily causative of cultural/philosophical evolution. I don't know if there are any real world examples in history (which is the same as saying it's not possible to randomize the variable of slave labor in order to prove causation here) but it's not hard to imagine a peaceful non-slave society that develops, is able to not only make peace (maybe through the use of potential military might) with the other world powers but usher in an era of worldwide diplomacy and unity. Granted there would probably be some military scuffles as they developed to the point where they could bring about this change at a meaningful level, but once there they would probably have all the ingredients needed to birth new cultural advancements. In fact, the very act of this peaceful non-slave civilization coming into power would mark one of the biggest advancements up front, i.e., a non-slave, non-oppressive society. As a side note the US had the ability to do this after 911 and other points in time as well, but instead chose empire building through the horrors of modern warfare. Why? The unmitigated greed of a small rapacious elite, i.e., sociopathy.
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