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Post by drystyx on Nov 20, 2020 0:25:11 GMT
What's death really going to be like? I hope it doesn't hurt. That is the biggest fear, how we are going to go? We are all going to die from something at some stage. No point fearing something that is inevitable, yet what will it feel like? Unfortunately, suffering is an integral part of the human journey. We can overcome. Yeah. Generally speaking, when humans are children, on up to about age 40, they really fear death. Then, after about age 40, they don't fear death at all, just the pain they may feel when they die. For me, somewhere in my 30s, is when I decided not to go down with slow death health issues, and began a healthy and natural die, with no meat, and exercise became much easier after that, and it really turned around. I don't want to contract a slow death condition like Diabetes or digestive conditions or any of those long term deaths.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2020 0:37:41 GMT
No, because I already have those thoughts now.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2020 0:40:47 GMT
I don’t have regrets, no point, things are what they are even if I may feel I could have done things differently in certain situations. Everything is only momentary and that is all we can live by and within each moment, there are consequences for every action taken. I definitely have regrets, meaning that there are things I wish I did differently and many things I feel bad about. I don't sit around dwelling about these things though, if that is what the OP means. If all you mean is that there is no point to thinking about this stuff on your deathbed then I agree completely. What is done is done, we can't change it and I don't believe it could have happened any other way. I still feel guilt and regret about stuff though.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2020 0:55:06 GMT
That is the biggest fear, how we are going to go? We are all going to die from something at some stage. No point fearing something that is inevitable, yet what will it feel like? Unfortunately, suffering is an integral part of the human journey. We can overcome. Yeah. Generally speaking, when humans are children, on up to about age 40, they really fear death. Then, after about age 40, they don't fear death at all, just the pain they may feel when they die. For me, somewhere in my 30s, is when I decided not to go down with slow death health issues, and began a healthy and natural die, with no meat, and exercise became much easier after that, and it really turned around. I don't want to contract a slow death condition like Diabetes or digestive conditions or any of those long term deaths. I have never REALLY feared death. When I was a teenager I didn't really think about it at all. I fear the process of dying though, but there are obvious ways to avoid this.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 20, 2020 4:18:43 GMT
That is the biggest fear, how we are going to go? We are all going to die from something at some stage. No point fearing something that is inevitable, yet what will it feel like? Unfortunately, suffering is an integral part of the human journey. We can overcome. Yeah. Generally speaking, when humans are children, on up to about age 40, they really fear death. Then, after about age 40, they don't fear death at all, just the pain they may feel when they die. For me, somewhere in my 30s, is when I decided not to go down with slow death health issues, and began a healthy and natural die, with no meat, and exercise became much easier after that, and it really turned around. I don't want to contract a slow death condition like Diabetes or digestive conditions or any of those long term deaths. Death becomes us and being healthy is always a good start. It doesn't mean though that one can't still get struck down with any affliction. It just all in the cards.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2020 4:28:42 GMT
Yeah. Generally speaking, when humans are children, on up to about age 40, they really fear death. Then, after about age 40, they don't fear death at all, just the pain they may feel when they die. For me, somewhere in my 30s, is when I decided not to go down with slow death health issues, and began a healthy and natural die, with no meat, and exercise became much easier after that, and it really turned around. I don't want to contract a slow death condition like Diabetes or digestive conditions or any of those long term deaths. Death becomes us and being healthy is always a good start. It doesn't mean though that one can't still get struck down with any affliction. It just all in the cards. People are different, with different minds and different fears. It may be pointless to fear death in that it is eventually going to happen, but that knowledge won't make the scared any less scared. Irrational fears is just a part of being human. I don't even know what "death becomes us and being healthy is always a good start" means. It is almost like saying it is pointless to stress about something that you have no control over, but that isn't going to make you any less stressed.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 20, 2020 4:30:39 GMT
I don’t have regrets, no point, things are what they are even if I may feel I could have done things differently in certain situations. Everything is only momentary and that is all we can live by and within each moment, there are consequences for every action taken. I definitely have regrets, meaning that there are things I wish I did differently and many things I feel bad about. I don't sit around dwelling about these things though, if that is what the OP means. If all you mean is that there is no point to thinking about this stuff on your deathbed then I agree completely. What is done is done, we can't change it and I don't believe it could have happened any other way. I still feel guilt and regret about stuff though. Yup! All water under the bridge and while there would be consequences, that is just part of the journey. The moment is what counts and what are regrets, feelings of guilt which doesn't really serve us any real purpose. Others may want to project guilt conscience onto us or others, but that then becomes their problem as well.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 20, 2020 4:32:20 GMT
Death becomes us and being healthy is always a good start. It doesn't mean though that one can't still get struck down with any affliction. It just all in the cards. People are different, with different minds and different fears. It may be pointless to fear death in that it is eventually going to happen, but that knowledge won't make the scared any less scared. Irrational fears is just a part of being human. I don't even know what "death becomes us and being healthy is always a good start" means. It is almost like saying it is pointless to stress about something that you have no control over, but that isn't going to make you any less stressed. It is about humbling oneself into something that is inevitable. We can live by certain rules and guidelines that may prolong life, but at the end of the day, it is about letting go. What other choice is there?
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2020 4:35:58 GMT
People are different, with different minds and different fears. It may be pointless to fear death in that it is eventually going to happen, but that knowledge won't make the scared any less scared. Irrational fears is just a part of being human. I don't even know what "death becomes us and being healthy is always a good start" means. It is almost like saying it is pointless to stress about something that you have no control over, but that isn't going to make you any less stressed. It is about humbling oneself into something that is inevitable. We can live by certain rules and guidelines that may prolong life, but at the end of the day, it is about letting go. What other choice is there? That is a neat saying, but it changes nothing for the people who can't help being scared.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2020 4:38:00 GMT
I definitely have regrets, meaning that there are things I wish I did differently and many things I feel bad about. I don't sit around dwelling about these things though, if that is what the OP means. If all you mean is that there is no point to thinking about this stuff on your deathbed then I agree completely. What is done is done, we can't change it and I don't believe it could have happened any other way. I still feel guilt and regret about stuff though. Yup! All water under the bridge and while there would be consequences, that is just part of the journey. The moment is what counts and what are regrets, feelings of guilt which doesn't really serve us any real purpose. Others may want to project guilt consciousness onto us or others, but that then becomes their problem as well. I just see your take on it a bit...simplistic. It isn't that black and white for most people. Some people won't even be able to grasp what you are even talking about. Even I have a hard time making sense of the way you look at things.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 20, 2020 4:39:32 GMT
It is about humbling oneself into something that is inevitable. We can live by certain rules and guidelines that may prolong life, but at the end of the day, it is about letting go. What other choice is there? That is a neat saying, but it changes nothing for the people who can't help being scared. That is their fear to contend with. No-one else can fix it for them.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 20, 2020 4:41:45 GMT
Yup! All water under the bridge and while there would be consequences, that is just part of the journey. The moment is what counts and what are regrets, feelings of guilt which doesn't really serve us any real purpose. Others may want to project guilt consciousness onto us or others, but that then becomes their problem as well. I just see your take on it a bit...simplistic. It isn't that black and white for most people. Some people won't even be able to grasp what you are even talking about. Even I have a hard time making sense of the way you look at things. Then perhaps its not a simplistic as it seems.
We can't live others lives for them, nor can we make others understand the true nature of their lives. Fear of death is what holds most of us back. It is grasping and struggling to hold onto something that is impermanent. It all goes back to letting go.
**I did mean to say guilt conscience, not consciousness.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2020 4:49:30 GMT
I just see your take on it a bit...simplistic. It isn't that black and white for most people. Some people won't even be able to grasp what you are even talking about. Even I have a hard time making sense of the way you look at things. Then perhaps its not a simplistic as it seems.
We can't live others lives for them, nor can we make others understand the true nature of their lives. Fear of death is what holds most of us back. It is grasping and struggling to hold onto something that is impermanent. It all goes back to letting go.
**I did mean to say guilt conscience, not consciousness.
Holds most of us back from what? I want to hold on to life, but that is different from fearing death. I sometimes don't care if I die and sometimes do. I was hit by a semi one time and I was sure I was about to die. It was a moment of both terror and relief. I have zero ambition and very few interests and anxiety so bad that if I am put into a uncomfortable situation I will hurt people or myself. My mind doesn't process things the way most people's do. I have to extend this to everyone else. Everyone's mind functions differently and I am in no place to judge people's fear of death.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2020 4:53:07 GMT
That is a neat saying, but it changes nothing for the people who can't help being scared. That is their fear to contend with. No-one else can fix it for them. I never said anything about it being on other people to fix it. EVERYTHING is on me to deal with. A horrible uncaring person can't help being that and if I was such a person I wouldn't expect anyone to fix that or be able to fix it. That is their cross to bear, so to speak. Fear is one of the best aspects of life imo. It makes it more of an interesting experience.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 20, 2020 4:57:43 GMT
Then perhaps its not a simplistic as it seems.
We can't live others lives for them, nor can we make others understand the true nature of their lives. Fear of death is what holds most of us back. It is grasping and struggling to hold onto something that is impermanent. It all goes back to letting go.
**I did mean to say guilt conscience, not consciousness.
Holds most of us back from what? I want to hold on to life, but that is different from fearing death. I sometimes don't care if I die and sometimes do. I was hit by a semi one time and I was sure I was about to die. It was a moment of both terror and relief. I have zero ambition and very few interests and anxiety so bad that if I am put into a uncomfortable situation I will hurt people or myself. My mind doesn't process things the way most people's do. I have to extend this to everyone else. Everyone's mind functions differently and I am in no place to judge people's fear of death. Holds one back from the truth of their being. That is for each person to recognize. Depends on what one understands or even believes.
I have been in similar situation, fear is never more momentary, than when it is shrouding us. Nothing else matters, or does matter, except what is being experienced in the now.
You don't have to judge anyone's fear of death, that is theirs to be beholden too, but if someone doesn't understand someone who doesn't have the same fear, those that fear may do all they can to keep others down. That is basically the parable of Christ.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 20, 2020 4:59:44 GMT
That is their fear to contend with. No-one else can fix it for them. I never said anything about it being on other people to fix it. EVERYTHING is on me to deal with. A horrible uncaring person can't help being that and if I was such a person I wouldn't expect anyone to fix that or be able to fix it. That is their cross to bear, so to speak. Fear is one of the best aspects of life imo. It makes it more of an interesting experience. It sort of ties in with suffering. If we didn't suffer, we wouldn't know what joy or exultation is. The experience of one, allows for the experience of the other. Yet really, depending on how one looks at things, everything is all one and the experience is just dream.
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Post by permutojoe on Nov 20, 2020 5:00:41 GMT
you will think about / regret that you weren't / were a good person to everyone or that you did / didn't party enough ? You probably run through all that and more.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2020 5:05:25 GMT
I never said anything about it being on other people to fix it. EVERYTHING is on me to deal with. A horrible uncaring person can't help being that and if I was such a person I wouldn't expect anyone to fix that or be able to fix it. That is their cross to bear, so to speak. Fear is one of the best aspects of life imo. It makes it more of an interesting experience. It sort of ties in with suffering. If we didn't suffer, we wouldn't know what joy or exultation is. The experience of one, allows for the experience of the other. Yet really, depending on how one looks at things, everything is all one and the experience is just dream. You lost me with that part. I don't particularly fear death, because I don't much like life. I am 37 and already bored of being alive. It is just the same thing day in and day out and I am sick of it, but also still want to hold on to it. It is like these 2 sides of me in a tug of war.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Nov 20, 2020 5:08:25 GMT
It sort of ties in with suffering. If we didn't suffer, we wouldn't know what joy or exultation is. The experience of one, allows for the experience of the other. Yet really, depending on how one looks at things, everything is all one and the experience is just dream. You lost me with that part. I don't particularly fear death, because I don't much like life. I am 37 and already bored of being alive. It is just the same thing day in and day out and I am sick of it, but also still want to hold on to it. It is like these 2 sides of me in a tug of war. It can get tiresome for all of us movie at times. When I get a bit pitiful, I just look at what I do have and remind myself I am luckier than most.
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 20, 2020 5:16:12 GMT
Holds most of us back from what? I want to hold on to life, but that is different from fearing death. I sometimes don't care if I die and sometimes do. I was hit by a semi one time and I was sure I was about to die. It was a moment of both terror and relief. I have zero ambition and very few interests and anxiety so bad that if I am put into a uncomfortable situation I will hurt people or myself. My mind doesn't process things the way most people's do. I have to extend this to everyone else. Everyone's mind functions differently and I am in no place to judge people's fear of death. Holds one back from the truth of their being. That is for each person to recognize. Depends on what one understands or even believes.
I have been in similar situation, fear is never more momentary, than when it is shrouding us. Nothing else matters, or does matter, except what is being experienced in the now.
You don't have to judge anyone's fear of death, that is theirs to be beholden too, but if someone doesn't understand someone who doesn't have the same fear, those that fear may do all they can to keep others down. That is basically the parable of Christ.
That sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. Like something to ponder, but doesn't really hold any meaning to me. As far as I can tell, we are all blocked from knowing the truth of our being. What if someone thinks the truth of their being is to end humanity or something crazy like that? They think they found then truth of their being, but I would disagree. The truth of a person's being seems to be whatever that person thinks is the truth of their being. I do agree with the part in bold though. That is true because I know for a fact it is true from my own mind to an extent, though in the way of unhappiness, not fear. Basically "misery loves company." I keep these disturbing urges in check though. If only everyone read the Jesus story as a parable and not as literal. It makes sense as a parable. It makes nonsense as literal.
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