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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 3, 2017 0:07:53 GMT
DC-Fan, tell us how Patty Jenkins is an Oscar winning director again, and if the cancellation of Powerless has had any negative effect on your life?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 0:33:29 GMT
you are clearly too stupid to believe facts that are being presented right in front of your face. Last I checked Batman didn't lose his parents as a baby. Speaking of stupid, just look in the mirror. Whoever said Batman lost his parents as a baby. This is what I wrote in my previous post: " a baby losing not only his parents but his entire planet and having to grow up on a foreign planet or a pre-teen boy having to witness his parents getting murdered on the street." Now where in that comment does it say that Batman lost his parents as a baby? Are you too stupid to understand who is being referred to in each part of that comment? This just proves that I'm 100 correct that you MCU fans really are stupid and really do need everything spoon-fed to you. Steve wouldn't have to become a criminal if it wasn't for the accords. And the accords wouldn't have happened if Tony Stark hadn't created Ultron without any discussion with or authorization from government leaders and if the Avengers (led by Captain America) hadn't set off a bomb that killed several people. Tony was going to let Bucky go if it wasn't for Zemo showing them the video which pissed Tony off. Steve was noble enough to own up to the mistake of not telling Tony And that brings up the stupidity of Tony Stark and the huge plothole of Civil War. Tony and Steve fight because Steve knew that Bucky murdered Tony's parents (even though Steve was alrerady frozen in ice when the murders happened) and didn't tell Steve but Zemo not only knew but also somehow finds the only copy of a videotape of the murders from 25 years ago, which pisses Tony off. Yet Tony (who somehow knew some random high school kid was Spider-Kid) thought for 25 years that his parents died in a road accident and didn't know that his parents were murdered. Did Tony not read the coroner's report - the part that says "Maria Stark cause of death: asphyxiation due to strangulation"? How the hell does idiot Tony think that "cause of death: asphyxiation due to strangulation" means accidental death in a road accident? HUGE PLOTHOLE!!! Well I must have missed that. Still you've proven nothing except for the fact you're to stupid to understand what is and isn't a plot hole. Sorry but all these "plot holes" are just shit you made up given that you're to stupid to understand Civil War. Everytime you get proven wrong you throw a tantrum, you keep living in your own delusional little bubble thinking MCU fans are stupid when in reality you're not even -100 percent correct. Steve figured out that Hydra was the cause of the murders when Zola showed him everything in Winter Soldier. Zemo stated that it took him a long time to find the tape, I highly doubt Tony would bother putting that much work into an old murder given at the time there was no proof of Bucky Killing his parents. Also Tony doesn't know that Bucky killed his parents all the he knows is that Hydra killed his parents.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 3, 2017 0:38:04 GMT
Stop, guys, stop! Enjoy these movies, but don't fight like the kids I had to watch at summer camp! Honestly, just calm down. It's getting ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 0:40:03 GMT
Stop, guys, stop! Enjoy these movies, but don't fight like the kids I had to watch at summer camp! Honestly, just calm down. It's getting ridiculous. When DC Fan finally takes a hint our fighting will stop(also it's fun to piss him off with facts).
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Post by Nalkarj on May 3, 2017 0:41:58 GMT
Stop, guys, stop! Enjoy these movies, but don't fight like the kids I had to watch at summer camp! Honestly, just calm down. It's getting ridiculous. When DC Fan finally takes a hint our fighting will stop(also it's fun to piss him off with facts). Yes, but, see, that's what the 5-year-olds were telling me: "I'll stop when he stops," "he started it first." And my response is the same as I told them, complete straight talk: "I don't care one bit who started it first. Stop it now, and go away and cool down. This is not the major issue on which the world turns." It's just a few movies, guys.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 3, 2017 0:48:49 GMT
Stop, guys, stop! Enjoy these movies, but don't fight like the kids I had to watch at summer camp! Honestly, just calm down. It's getting ridiculous. When DC Fan finally takes a hint our fighting will stop(also it's fun to piss him off with facts). Drive him more nuts by pointing out the failings of the DC heroes as well. It works wonders.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 0:49:45 GMT
When DC Fan finally takes a hint our fighting will stop(also it's fun to piss him off with facts). Yes, but, see, that's what the 5-year-olds were telling me: "I'll stop when he stops," "he started it first." And my response is the same as I told them, complete straight talk: "I don't care one bit who started it first. Stop it now, and go away and cool down. This is not the major issue on which the world turns." It's just a few movies, guys. I see your point, I guess we could let DC Fan kick and scream until he cools down. Still you know he's the only one taking this seriously , we're just humoring him.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 3, 2017 0:51:52 GMT
Exactly. Instead of humoring him, stop dragging it on. Let him rant and rave on his own, and don't pay it any heed. Works wonders.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on May 3, 2017 0:56:10 GMT
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Post by DC-Fan on May 3, 2017 1:21:43 GMT
Everytime you get proven wrong I haven't been proven wrong about MCU yet. I highly doubt Tony would bother putting that much work into an old murder given at the time there was no proof of Bucky Killing his parents. Also Tony doesn't know that Bucky killed his parents all the he knows is that Hydra killed his parents. So now you're saying that Tony Stark knew his parents didn't die by accident and knew that his parents were murdered by Hydra, yet Tony (with all his billions of dollars) didn't even bother to use all the resources at his disposal to try to hunt down the people responsible for his parents' murders because it would've been too much work to try to bring his parents' murderer in for justice?
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Post by formersamhmd on May 3, 2017 2:15:02 GMT
Everytime you get proven wrong I haven't been proven wrong about MCU yet. I highly doubt Tony would bother putting that much work into an old murder given at the time there was no proof of Bucky Killing his parents. Also Tony doesn't know that Bucky killed his parents all the he knows is that Hydra killed his parents. So now you're saying that Tony Stark knew his parents didn't die by accident and knew that his parents were murdered by Hydra, yet Tony (with all his billions of dollars) didn't even bother to use all the resources at his disposal to try to hunt down the people responsible for his parents' murders because it would've been too much work to try to bring his parents' murderer in for justice? Well, except in terms of critical and commercial success...so basically in every way you've been proven wrong.
And no, the DCEU's financial gains aren't much to go on because their movies cost more to make than MCUs'.
Tony had no idea his parents were assassinated, he thought they just died. The coroner reports were covered up by Hydra so there was nothing suggest otherwise. Zemo found some evidence that they were killed by Hydra (Tony had no reason to think they were killed by Hydra) in the files Black Widow unleashed in Winter Soldier. Steve had suspicions over this but kept them to himself because he didn't want to hurt Tony.
And no, Tony had no reason to search the Hydra files for proof his parents were killed so he didn't know to look in the first place.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 3, 2017 2:20:24 GMT
Oh, formersamhmd, please don't keep it going. Resist the temptation and step back for a moment. That goes for you too, DC-Fan.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 3, 2017 2:25:43 GMT
I haven't been proven wrong about MCU yet. So now you're saying that Tony Stark knew his parents didn't die by accident and knew that his parents were murdered by Hydra, yet Tony (with all his billions of dollars) didn't even bother to use all the resources at his disposal to try to hunt down the people responsible for his parents' murders because it would've been too much work to try to bring his parents' murderer in for justice? Tony had no idea his parents were assassinated, he thought they just died. The coroner reports were covered up by Hydra so there was nothing suggest otherwise.
So now you're saying that Hydra covered up the murders with a false coroner's report, yet Hydra kept a videotape of the murders (the 1 piece of evidence that contradicts the falsified coroner's report and thus negates the whole purpose of falsifying the coroner's report)? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Why the hell would anyone go to the trouble of falsifying a coroner's report only to keep a piece of conclusive evidence that contradicts the falsified coroner's report and negates the whole purpose of falsifying the coroner's report? Like I've said many times before, just bad writing and a huge plothole in Civil War.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 3, 2017 2:26:41 GMT
Forget it. If you two are committed to behaving like children, that's not my business.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 3, 2017 5:20:32 GMT
Tony had no idea his parents were assassinated, he thought they just died. The coroner reports were covered up by Hydra so there was nothing suggest otherwise.
So now you're saying that Hydra covered up the murders with a false coroner's report, yet Hydra kept a videotape of the murders (the 1 piece of evidence that contradicts the falsified coroner's report and thus negates the whole purpose of falsifying the coroner's report)? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Why the hell would anyone go to the trouble of falsifying a coroner's report only to keep a piece of conclusive evidence that contradicts the falsified coroner's report and negates the whole purpose of falsifying the coroner's report? Like I've said many times before, just bad writing and a huge plothole in Civil War.
They kept the tape for the mission debriefing. You do that, keep evidence of a successful mission. Especially if you think you're untouchable. Why did Hydra do it? Because it's part of the mission report and shows their arrogance. What's dumber is Superman telling the Government everything they needed to know to know he's Clark Kent.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 3, 2017 5:20:54 GMT
Forget it. If you two are committed to behaving like children, that's not my business. Come on, this is fun.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 3, 2017 5:26:45 GMT
So now you're saying that Hydra covered up the murders with a false coroner's report, yet Hydra kept a videotape of the murders (the 1 piece of evidence that contradicts the falsified coroner's report and thus negates the whole purpose of falsifying the coroner's report)? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Why the hell would anyone go to the trouble of falsifying a coroner's report only to keep a piece of conclusive evidence that contradicts the falsified coroner's report and negates the whole purpose of falsifying the coroner's report? Like I've said many times before, just bad writing and a huge plothole in Civil War.
They kept the tape for the mission debriefing. You do that, keep evidence of a successful mission. The goal of the mission was to kill Howard and Maria Stark. Howard and Maria Stark were dead and the whole world thought they died in a road accident. So even if the Winter Soldier didn't actually kill Howard and Maria Stark, they were still dead so the goal of the mission was accomplished and it shouldn't matter whether the goal of the mission was accomplished by the Winter Soldier killing them or accomplished by them dying in a road accident.
So there was no reason at all for Hydra to keep the videotape, especially after Hydra (as you had claimed) went to all that trouble to falsify the coroner's report (and thus close the book on any further investigation into the death of Howard and Maria Stark). Like I've said many times before, just bad writing and a huge plothole in Civil War.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 3, 2017 6:46:38 GMT
They kept the tape for the mission debriefing. You do that, keep evidence of a successful mission. The goal of the mission was to kill Howard and Maria Stark. Howard and Maria Stark were dead and the whole world thought they died in a road accident. So even if the Winter Soldier didn't actually kill Howard and Maria Stark, they were still dead so the goal of the mission was accomplished and it shouldn't matter whether the goal of the mission was accomplished by the Winter Soldier killing them or accomplished by them dying in a road accident.
So there was no reason at all for Hydra to keep the videotape, especially after Hydra (as you had claimed) went to all that trouble to falsify the coroner's report (and thus close the book on any further investigation into the death of Howard and Maria Stark). Like I've said many times before, just bad writing and a huge plothole in Civil War.
Incorrect. The goal of the mission was to intercept the Starks and obtain the super-soldier serum that was currently in their possession. Their subsequent assassination was necessary to prevent Barnes, now thought long dead, from being outed as the Winter Soldier. Their deaths were also necessary to cover up Hydra's involvement in the theft. A superficial assessment of the situation might lead one to that conclusion. However, when considering the nature of Hydra, its ideology, and ultimate objectives, it was necessary for them to keep the tape. Any organization, no matter how clandestine or decentralized, requires an institutional memory. The CIA has its memorial wall which commemorates the deeds, service and sacrifice of fallen officers. Hydra, as clearly evidenced in Captain America: Winter Soldier, retains an extensive record of its exploits and secret influence over world events - so much so that they built an artificial intelligence (albeit primitive) to maintain said archive. Hydra would not be able to prove, justify or extend its existence without such a record. The successful acquisition of Erskine's coveted super-soldier serum would be invaluable as a historical record and propaganda for recruitment. Hail Hydra!
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 3, 2017 13:18:36 GMT
DC fan is making the rest of us DC fans look bad. Some of us like both.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 3, 2017 13:44:14 GMT
They kept the tape for the mission debriefing. You do that, keep evidence of a successful mission. The goal of the mission was to kill Howard and Maria Stark. Howard and Maria Stark were dead and the whole world thought they died in a road accident. So even if the Winter Soldier didn't actually kill Howard and Maria Stark, they were still dead so the goal of the mission was accomplished and it shouldn't matter whether the goal of the mission was accomplished by the Winter Soldier killing them or accomplished by them dying in a road accident.
So there was no reason at all for Hydra to keep the videotape, especially after Hydra (as you had claimed) went to all that trouble to falsify the coroner's report (and thus close the book on any further investigation into the death of Howard and Maria Stark). Like I've said many times before, just bad writing and a huge plothole in Civil War.
Atomica Discord handled this.
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