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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 17, 2020 16:57:53 GMT
I use "Were" specifically because things can change for a living director. Maybe they make one great movie and their country loves them forever. Name a dead director who IS popular in other countries, but not their own. Specify all you can.. The country/countries a particular director IS popular, maybe reasons why you think (or know) this?
I've heard Kurosawa say he was disliked in Japan. One reason I read was that he drew from Western influences (Shakespeare, for example) and wasn't Japanese "enough". I've heard the same being said about Bergman as well. My guess is that his movies might paint a dark picture of Sweden. I heard a director in this Bergman documentary say that Fellini wasn't liked in Italy, but I find it hard to believe. He mentioned that his last few movies didn't make any money as a possible reason, but that's usually standard anywhere.
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Post by ck100 on Jul 17, 2020 19:09:53 GMT
Roman Polanski. But not because of his work.
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Post by angel on Jul 17, 2020 22:10:57 GMT
I heard a director in this Bergman documentary say that Fellini wasn't liked in Italy, but I find it hard to believe. He mentioned that his last few movies didn't make any money as a possible reason, but that's usually standard anywhere. Fellini did get a lot of stick in Italy with critics accusing him of betraying his neorealist roots in favour of a highly personalised magical realism, full of symbolism and subjective indulgence, and for a while he was definitely more celebrated outside of his country than within it. But I don't think it lasted long, as critics began to realise films like 8 1ā2 represented growth rather than ideological betrayal of Italian neorealism (helped by the fact that the movement had largely run it's course by then anyway) and so by the time of his death, he was pretty much a national treasure. |
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 18, 2020 12:02:11 GMT
I heard a director in this Bergman documentary say that Fellini wasn't liked in Italy, but I find it hard to believe. He mentioned that his last few movies didn't make any money as a possible reason, but that's usually standard anywhere. Fellini did get a lot of stick in Italy with critics accusing him of betraying his neorealist roots in favour of a highly personalised magical realism, full of symbolism and subjective indulgence, and for a while he was definitely more celebrated outside of his country than within it. But I don't think it lasted long, as critics began to realise films like 8 1ā2 represented growth rather than ideological betrayal of Italian neorealism (helped by the fact that the movement had largely run it's course by then anyway) and so by the time of his death, he was pretty much a national treasure. I wonder if they felt the same towards Antonioni, who went from "Il Gido" to his slow images.
I'm just guessing that Fellini might have gotten some shit from the Vatican fans.
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Post by theravenking on Jul 18, 2020 15:56:38 GMT
Werner Herzog is not particularly popular in Germany, at least he hasn't been for as far as I can remember. I'm not sure whether he was more well-liked when he was still working with Kinski in the 70s and 80s.
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 18, 2020 20:13:04 GMT
Werner Herzog is not particularly popular in Germany, at least he hasn't been for as far as I can remember. I'm not sure whether he was more well-liked when he was still working with Kinski in the 70s and 80s. I wonder why.. I also wonder if they liked "Strosczek", since its a movie intended to show how the US is a scam, thus, perhaps elevating German society in their eyes? |
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Post by theravenking on Jul 18, 2020 22:23:29 GMT
Werner Herzog is not particularly popular in Germany, at least he hasn't been for as far as I can remember. I'm not sure whether he was more well-liked when he was still working with Kinski in the 70s and 80s. I wonder why.. I also wonder if they liked "Strosczek", since its a movie intended to show how the US is a scam, thus, perhaps elevating German society in their eyes? I'm not sure why, I believe part of it might be pure snobbery, since he has left Germany to work internationally, also his work is not very political, at least compared to most of his contemporaries.
I 've never seen Strosczek and have never come across any reviews or opinions about it, so I couldn't tell.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 19, 2020 3:07:55 GMT
Jerry Lewis is infamously more beloved in France than the USA. "Jerry Lewis is the only American director who makes progressive films. He is superior to Chaplin and Keaton." - Jean-Luc Godard
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 19, 2020 11:15:08 GMT
I wonder why.. I also wonder if they liked "Strosczek", since its a movie intended to show how the US is a scam, thus, perhaps elevating German society in their eyes? I'm not sure why, I believe part of it might be pure snobbery, since he has left Germany to work internationally, also his work is not very political, at least compared to most of his contemporaries.
I 've never seen Strosczek and have never come across any reviews or opinions about it, so I couldn't tell.
I think leaving Germany is a huge reason.. Good thinking.
You might wanna check out "Stroszek" - its the only film of his I loved.
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Post by angel on Jul 21, 2020 22:35:56 GMT
Fellini did get a lot of stick in Italy with critics accusing him of betraying his neorealist roots in favour of a highly personalised magical realism, full of symbolism and subjective indulgence, and for a while he was definitely more celebrated outside of his country than within it. But I don't think it lasted long, as critics began to realise films like 8 1ā2 represented growth rather than ideological betrayal of Italian neorealism (helped by the fact that the movement had largely run it's course by then anyway) and so by the time of his death, he was pretty much a national treasure. I wonder if they felt the same towards Antonioni, who went from "Il Gido" to his slow images.
I'm just guessing that Fellini might have gotten some shit from the Vatican fans.
Oh, I'm sure they all got shit from the Vatican at some point in their careers and one wonders whether they wore it as a badge of honour ā (the Vatican fashion show in Roma suggested Fellini did), but he also took a lot of flak from detractors (particularly the Marxist ones) who claimed his films from La Dolce Vita onwards represented a betrayal his neorealist roots. It didn't last however. Iām not sure about Antonioni, but I suspect not, mainly because he was always a more polarising film maker both inside and out of Italy and not seen as a natural successor to De Sica and Rosselini as Fellini possibly was. |
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 22, 2020 17:02:00 GMT
I wonder if they felt the same towards Antonioni, who went from "Il Gido" to his slow images.
I'm just guessing that Fellini might have gotten some shit from the Vatican fans.
Oh, I'm sure they all got shit from the Vatican at some point in their careers and one wonders whether they wore it as a badge of honour ā (the Vatican fashion show in Roma suggested Fellini did), but he also took a lot of flak from detractors (particularly the Marxist ones) who claimed his films from La Dolce Vita onwards represented a betrayal his neorealist roots. It didn't last however. Iām not sure about Antonioni, but I suspect not, mainly because he was always a more polarising film maker both inside and out of Italy and not seen as a natural successor to De Sica and Rosselini as Fellini possibly was. It seems by 1960, they all ditched neo-realism.. Some for "Commedia all'italiana"... Actually now that I think of it, De Sica ditched comedies and went back to neo-realism (kinda) with my favorite love story "Sunflower" and "A Brief Vacation"
I highly recommend checking out "Vittorio D"... Great documentary I saw yesterday of De Sica.. It's on Amazon Prime (I signed up just to see that!)
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