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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 17, 2020 22:17:49 GMT
Point by point:
1- The New Mutants is set in the mainstream X-Men universe. In the movie, Transigen-Alkali doesn't exist, Essex Corporation is definitely confirmed as the organization behind the Weapon X Program, and footage from Logan 2017 is rearranged to back-up a different event.
2- At the end of Dark Phoenix (1992), mutants are no more seen in a "friendly" way. I doubt that humans would issue comic books about them in the 2000s/2010s or so. Also, Old Man Logan seems to imply that "fantastic/fantasy adventures" (like events depicted in 'Apocalypse', 'Dark Phoenix' and so on) did not occur at all.
3- Old Man Logan killed the scientists in his version of the Weapon X Program. Our Logan never did that in Apocalypse; indeed he only slaughtered the soldiers.
4- There was no Transigen-Alkali in Apocalypse. The Weapon X Facility was owned by the Essex Corporation.
5- There was no adamantium bullet in Apocalypse. In the original timeline, the adamantium bullet had been already used anyway, and it wasn't available anymore.
6- There were mutant children at the school in the positive ending of DOFP (2023). This means that mutant births didn't stop in 2004, I mean in the mainstream X-Men universe. You can also spot Nate Grey among the children.
7- In DOFP, Phoenix is alive. In the deleted scene of Logan 2017, Old Man Logan talks about killing Jean and his long time remorse. That said, I doubt that Phoenix wouldn't be able to stop Xavier from killing the X-Men.
8- They never talk about the time-travelling issue. Logan 2017 follows the original timeline (at least, a tweaked version/variant of it).
9- Caliban is totally different. He's another guy.
10- Old Man Logan is supposed to have been "masked and costumed" in his X-Man days, wearing the comic book costume.
11- Charles is 90 years old in Logan (2029). In the mainstream X-Men universe, he is born in 1932, not 1938. Maybe... (this is another story LOL).
12- At the end of Dark Phoenix, we see that Xavier's school was renamed after JEAN GREY. In the positive ending of DOFP, they never mentioned the name of the school anyway, so that's still consistent with DP.
MARVEL officially listed the "Logan" universe as Earth-17315.
Logan 2017 invalidates all the X-Men movies. Mutants become extinct. The X-Men have lost. Xavier's dream is dead. It's the "worst" ending ever. It's an alternate, What If-like universe. Even MARVEL confirmed that. The official ending of the X-Men movie saga is DOFP (2023).
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Post by politicidal on Jul 17, 2020 22:31:23 GMT
I’ll take your word for it.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 17, 2020 22:35:07 GMT
I’ll take your word for it. "Logan" invalidates all X-Men movies. Mutants become extinct. Xavier's dream fails. It's an alternate, "What If" universe. Even MARVEL confirmed that.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 17, 2020 22:51:03 GMT
So he's an Alien?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 17, 2020 23:13:23 GMT
The whole Fox X-Men universe is an alternate universe - and it will soon be at an end.
I want New Mutants to come out so bad, I can taste it.
#StreamItAlready #EndTheNightmare
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 17, 2020 23:20:24 GMT
No. Only the Adamantium in his body. That's alien.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 17, 2020 23:34:01 GMT
No. Only the Adamantium in his body. That's alien. So he's from our universe?
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Post by bud47 on Jul 18, 2020 0:40:59 GMT
All of the movies take place in their own universe. They didn't bother with continuity outside of the original trilogy. After that, each film was a reboot. A mess of a franchise that has thankfully been put out of it's misery.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 18, 2020 11:30:43 GMT
All of the movies take place in their own universe. Your super-personal opinion. LMAO. Not the general consensus. This was an excellent franchise that made movie history. 6 billion of dollars grossed worldwide + massive video sales. These are the live action X-Men universes we've seen so far: 1- THE GENERATION X WORLD (1996) 2- THE MAINSTREAM SAGA (original and altered timeline, 2000-2020) 3- THE DEADPOOL WORLD (2016-2018) 4- THE LEGION WORLD 5- THE GIFTED WORLD 6- THE ROGUE CUT WORLD 7- THE "ORIGINS"-LIKE UNIVERSE (visited by Deadpool at the end of "Deadpool 2") 8- THE LOGAN UNIVERSE (2017) + all universes visited by Legion on Season 2.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 18, 2020 21:30:52 GMT
All of the movies take place in their own universe. They didn't bother with continuity outside of the original trilogy. After that, each film was a reboot. A mess of a franchise that has thankfully been put out of it's misery. I strongly agree with this post.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jul 18, 2020 22:31:14 GMT
Who cares? It's the only entry in the series that's actually good.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 18, 2020 23:43:41 GMT
Who cares? It's the only entry in the series that's actually good. LMAO. So detached from reality...
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Post by bud47 on Jul 19, 2020 3:16:03 GMT
Who cares? It's the only entry in the series that's actually good. LMAO. So detached from reality... Projecting...☝️ 🙄
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Post by sostie on Jul 19, 2020 6:53:55 GMT
All of the movies take place in their own universe. Your super-personal opinion. LMAO. Not the general consensus. It's just as valid as creating as many universes as you can to validate your theories. "General consensus"...really? 12 films in a franchise, set in 8 universes....what a mess.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 19, 2020 12:43:22 GMT
Your super-personal opinion. LMAO. Not the general consensus. 12 films in a franchise, set in 8 universes....what a mess. 13 films in 3 main cinematic universes (Mainstream, Deadpool and Logan). It's called creative and visionary film-making and storytelling. Not formulaic and predictable MCU crap, you know.
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Post by bud47 on Jul 19, 2020 16:33:49 GMT
12 films in a franchise, set in 8 universes....what a mess. 13 films in 3 main cinematic universes (Mainstream, Deadpool and Logan). It's called creative and visionary film-making and storytelling. Not formulaic and predictable MCU crap, you know. Nope, it's called lazy, directionless, throw whatever sticks to the wall style of "film-making".
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jul 19, 2020 16:57:55 GMT
Who cares? It's the only entry in the series that's actually good. LMAO. So detached from reality... I'm sorry to hear that.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 19, 2020 21:20:48 GMT
13 films in 3 main cinematic universes (Mainstream, Deadpool and Logan). It's called creative and visionary film-making and storytelling. Not formulaic and predictable MCU crap, you know. Nope, it's called lazy, directionless, throw whatever sticks to the wall style of "film-making". You're detached from reality. We're all sorry for you, buddy.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 20, 2020 6:10:41 GMT
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 20, 2020 11:18:09 GMT
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