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Post by moviemouth on Jul 26, 2020 14:20:40 GMT
I get it. I personally found the scene mostly effective though. I was happy they split it into 2 movies, but I think they just got lazy when they got around to part 2. I think they bloated it way too much for one thing. There is no reason the movie had to be more than 2 hours long, there is no reason it needed a whole bunch of OTT cgi scenes, there was no need for all the self referential humor etc. It would need to be two movies but they should have introduced the adults in the first one. They were trying to intersperse the two anyway in the second one. I still disagree. I think the issue with the second movie is it is just very badly written. The mini-series does it almost the same way and does it much more effectively. I am positive that the sequel could have been equally as good as Part 1, without having to change stuff about Part 1. I think mixing the 2 in the first movie would have hurt the first movie more than help the second movie. I obviously am just speculating though. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 26, 2020 14:33:06 GMT
It would need to be two movies but they should have introduced the adults in the first one. They were trying to intersperse the two anyway in the second one. I still disagree. I think the issue with the second movie is it is just very badly written. The mini-series does it almost the same way and does it much more effectively. I am positive that the sequel could have been equally as good as Part 1, without having to change stuff about Part 1. I think mixing the 2 in the first movie would have hurt the first movie more than help the second movie. I obviously am just speculating though. Its badly written because it’s not properly oitlined. If it’s badly written that means it’s poorly explained. It’s certainly not just a dialogue problem because the interactions aren’t bad. Again I don’t think they could figure out how to intersperse them but it would have been more fluid imo. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 26, 2020 14:46:35 GMT
I still disagree. I think the issue with the second movie is it is just very badly written. The mini-series does it almost the same way and does it much more effectively. I am positive that the sequel could have been equally as good as Part 1, without having to change stuff about Part 1. I think mixing the 2 in the first movie would have hurt the first movie more than help the second movie. I obviously am just speculating though. Its badly written because it’s not properly oitlined. If it’s badly written that means it’s poorly explained. It’s certainly not just a dialogue problem because the interactions aren’t bad. Again I don’t think they could figure out how to intersperse them but it would have been more fluid imo. Of course it isn't just a dialogue problem, it is that the story in the second movie is dumb. The second half of the mini-series is better because it isn't convoluted nonsense. The problem with the second half of the mini-series is that it also isn't very interesting. I am convinced that mixing the adult stuff with Part 1 would have made no difference to the second movie being good. Maybe it would have worked out better the way you would have liked the movies to have been written. We'll probably never know. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 26, 2020 14:52:26 GMT
Its badly written because it’s not properly oitlined. If it’s badly written that means it’s poorly explained. It’s certainly not just a dialogue problem because the interactions aren’t bad. Again I don’t think they could figure out how to intersperse them but it would have been more fluid imo. Of course it isn't just a dialogue problem, it is that the story in the second movie is dumb. The second half of the mini-series is better because it isn't convoluted nonsense. The problem with the second half of the mini-series is that it also isn't very interesting. I am convinced that mixing the adult stuff with Part 1 would have made no difference to the second movie being good. Maybe it would have worked out better the way you would have liked the movies to have been written. We'll probably never know. Well that’s like saying the book isn’t good because it mixes the two and the book, aside from an occasional kid sex, is better than both the movies and the series. It would have made a difference if executed properly. It would have minimized the bad scenes in two or at worst been able to match tone across both movies. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 26, 2020 15:01:25 GMT
Of course it isn't just a dialogue problem, it is that the story in the second movie is dumb. The second half of the mini-series is better because it isn't convoluted nonsense. The problem with the second half of the mini-series is that it also isn't very interesting. I am convinced that mixing the adult stuff with Part 1 would have made no difference to the second movie being good. Maybe it would have worked out better the way you would have liked the movies to have been written. We'll probably never know. , aside from an occasional kid sex, is better than both the movies and the series. It would have made a difference if executed properly. It would have minimized the bad scenes in two or at worst been able to match tone across both movies. Sure, but I am saying that they could have easily made a good sequel and leave Part 1 the way it is. I was actually fixing the problems with Part 2 in my head while watching the movie. The narrative structure of the 2 movies has nothing to do with why I dislike the sequel. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 26, 2020 15:07:33 GMT
Well that’s like saying the book isn’t good because it mixes the two and the book, aside from an occasional kid sex, is better than both the movies and the series. It would have made a difference if executed properly. It would have minimized the bad scenes in two or at worst been able to match tone across both movies. Sure, but I am saying that they could have easily made a good sequel and leave Part 1 the way it is. I was actually fixing the problems with Part 2 in my head while watching the movie. The narrative structure of the 2 movies has nothing to do with why I dislike the sequel. of course I agree with that since the source material is good. But the ultimate flaw of the movie is execution which writing would have a part in. But writing isn’t what made the ending horrible, the opening hate crime confusing, and timing off, or the effects bad. The movie was finally off and that’s largely because, unlike the first films overall adherence to the source material, the second one goes off the rails to be more akin to a blockbuster movie. Because they went with a chronological narrative they couldn’t find enough interesting stuff to make it a good stand alone movie where as there would have been enough foreshadowing and comparison. |
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 26, 2020 15:09:43 GMT
Sure, but I am saying that they could have easily made a good sequel and leave Part 1 the way it is. I was actually fixing the problems with Part 2 in my head while watching the movie. The narrative structure of the 2 movies has nothing to do with why I dislike the sequel. of course I agree with that since the source material is good. But the ultimate flaw of the movie is execution which writing would have a part in. But writing isn’t what made the ending horrible, the opening hate crime confusing, and timing off, or the effects bad. The movie was finally off and that’s largely because, unlike the first films overall adherence to the source material, the second one goes off the rails to be more akin to a blockbuster movie. Cool, then we seem to agree. The strange thing is that the jokes in the movie seem to almost imply that the director or writer thinks the ending of the book is bad and that there is no way to make a good movie with it. I think that they could have just not made a sequel at all and the first movie would stand on it's own for the most part. They could have never made Part 2 and I wouldn't have cared. |
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jul 26, 2020 16:50:18 GMT
How'd you settle on a 7-point rating scale? No complaints, it just seems odd.
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