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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 28, 2020 21:14:50 GMT
Would you still consider them to be canon to the MCU?
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 28, 2020 23:59:02 GMT
NO, not at all.
They are set in an alternate universe where something big happened in New York in the past.
That's it.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 29, 2020 0:02:21 GMT
Depends on what they do with the characters when they feel the need to use them down the road, but for now sure. Thankfully with the exception of Iron Fist they all ended at a point where you can easily bring them in without having to reboot from scratch.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 29, 2020 0:08:59 GMT
NO, not at all. They are set in an alternate universe where something big happened in New York in the past. That's it. Given that Endgame established multiverses and the next Doctor Strange will explore that you could look at the Netflix shows as being in a different universe that was birthed by a slight alteration made by the Avengers when retrieving the infinity stones. But they have not done anything with the characters from the Netflix shows at all yet and the shows themselves do not really contradict anything from the movies so for all intents and purposes they can be speculated as canon till Marvel decides to make them integral to the overall narrative of the next phases of the MCU.
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Post by sostie on Jul 29, 2020 12:58:19 GMT
NO, not at all. They are set in an alternate universe where something big happened in New York in the past. That's it. And those big events are the same as in some MCU films...so why an alternate universe?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 29, 2020 16:37:59 GMT
I believed they were officially declared not canon a while ago (couldn't find a solid link).
I still consider them canon personally despite official statements to the contrary.
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Post by scabab on Jul 29, 2020 16:59:40 GMT
I haven't seen any statements like that but I'm going to say they're canon until truly proven otherwise.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 29, 2020 17:23:01 GMT
I guess I’m just going to say that for me personally, unless we see actors from any of those shows reprising their roles in any of the movies or Disney+ shows, with events from the Netflix shows being acknowledged in some capacity, I’m inclined to not consider them canon. Kevin Feige had no involvement in any of the Netflix shows, and there was clearly no real communication between the team for the shows and the team for the movies.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 29, 2020 18:01:47 GMT
They are like Logan and Deadpool, basically.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 29, 2020 19:41:00 GMT
Pretty much non-canon. They could have easily cameo'd in Endgame but, alas, not.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 29, 2020 21:50:01 GMT
They are canon.
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Post by bud47 on Jul 29, 2020 22:16:40 GMT
Feige was not involved with the Netflix shows and he pretty much only considers the films canon. For me though, until these characters show up in an MCU film recasted and/or reimagined, then I consider them canon.
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Post by dazz on Jul 30, 2020 5:34:04 GMT
Not canon, after Feige got himself out from Perlmutter the movies and TV were distinctly divided, Feige controlled the movies but not the TV shows, so to me they are in a nearly identical universe, same with Agents of Shield, separate but similar worlds in the multiverse, if they didn't cameo in Endgame I don't know how you can claim them to be canon, pretty much every other MCU character popped up in that movie, so it's sad, would have been nice to see the Defender's getting a little shine on the big screen.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Jul 30, 2020 16:22:11 GMT
Basically:
We're going to see the Mainstream MCU Daredevil on a feature film. Cox is an alternate.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 31, 2020 14:35:53 GMT
Not canon, after Feige got himself out from Perlmutter the movies and TV were distinctly divided, Feige controlled the movies but not the TV shows, so to me they are in a nearly identical universe, same with Agents of Shield, separate but similar worlds in the multiverse, if they didn't cameo in Endgame I don't know how you can claim them to be canon, pretty much every other MCU character popped up in that movie, so it's sad, would have been nice to see the Defender's getting a little shine on the big screen. Who among the Avengers was associated personally with any of the characters on the shows? How would they have known to get them for the final battle? I'm fine if some people don't see the shows as canon, but it's all connected in my mind. - The events of the films directly affected Agents of SHIELD (at least in the first few seasons) - Agent Carter referenced the films and led to events which occurred on Agents of SHIELD (and AC's version of Jarvis appeared in Endgame) - AoS referenced the gang war that was going on in Daredevil. - All of the Netflix shows are obviously connected (and they all referenced the MCU films at some point) - Cloak & Dagger referenced characters on Luke Cage - Runaways featured Cloak & Dagger in two episodes (and referenced Wakanda) So to me it's all one connected universe-- as said elsewhere in the thread, until those characters are recast and show up on the big screen.
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Post by thenolan on Jul 31, 2020 14:51:39 GMT
Would you still consider them to be canon to the MCU? they were never part of the MCU. what is worse is mcu should never have pretended that they were. it hurt their reputation in the end.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 31, 2020 17:33:05 GMT
Would you still consider them to be canon to the MCU? they were never part of the MCU. what is worse is mcu should never have pretended that they were. it hurt their reputation in the end. The people who made the shows were the ones who claimed they were part of the MCU. People like Kevin Feige never acknowledged them as such.
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Post by dazz on Aug 1, 2020 2:30:07 GMT
Not canon, after Feige got himself out from Perlmutter the movies and TV were distinctly divided, Feige controlled the movies but not the TV shows, so to me they are in a nearly identical universe, same with Agents of Shield, separate but similar worlds in the multiverse, if they didn't cameo in Endgame I don't know how you can claim them to be canon, pretty much every other MCU character popped up in that movie, so it's sad, would have been nice to see the Defender's getting a little shine on the big screen. Who among the Avengers was associated personally with any of the characters on the shows? How would they have known to get them for the final battle? I'm fine if some people don't see the shows as canon, but it's all connected in my mind. - The events of the films directly affected Agents of SHIELD (at least in the first few seasons) - Agent Carter referenced the films and led to events which occurred on Agents of SHIELD (and AC's version of Jarvis appeared in Endgame) - AoS referenced the gang war that was going on in Daredevil. - All of the Netflix shows are obviously connected (and they all referenced the MCU films at some point) - Cloak & Dagger referenced characters on Luke Cage - Runaways featured Cloak & Dagger in two episodes (and referenced Wakanda) So to me it's all one connected universe-- as said elsewhere in the thread, until those characters are recast and show up on the big screen. Why do they need a personal connection? what personal connection did Tony have to Peter prior to Civil War? he knew about Spidey due to his antics, so why wouldn't he or others know about Daredevil, Jessica Jones, The Punisher or Luke Cage, Iron Fist maybe a bit more ok whatever but the other 4 are publicly known crime fighters, let alone the AOS agents, why wouldn't Strange and his people think fuck lets get Ghost Rider he's a fucking demon literally, the shows loosely follow the movies, but they also veer off drastically, like did the snap happen on AOS? I don't recall it happening, now they referenced Thanos in it but not the aftermath from my recollection.
This is why they imo are in offshoot universes similar but not identical to the mainstream MCU timeline, the shows don't impact the plot of the movies, they just piggyback off the movies to try and tie in, the Netflix shows are in the same universe as each other yes, but that doesn't mean they are in the same as the movies, the movies set up the multiverse possibility and how similar some of them are, so makes more sense imo that the movies exist in their own world and the other shows live in their own 99.99% identical universes, which is why the movies impact the shows but not the other way around.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 1, 2020 2:34:20 GMT
Would you still consider them to be canon to the MCU? Marvel tv is connected to the MCU, but the MCU is not connected to Marvel tv.
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Post by thenolan on Aug 1, 2020 5:56:00 GMT
they were never part of the MCU. what is worse is mcu should never have pretended that they were. it hurt their reputation in the end. The people who made the shows were the ones who claimed they were part of the MCU. People like Kevin Feige never acknowledged them as such. Him never acknowledging them only made it worse. the truth was Netflix was more of their adult themed show, so it been part of the mcu helped it to an extent but in the long run when iron fist and defenders started coming out, it was hurting Netflix.
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