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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 3, 2020 12:10:36 GMT
Who among the Avengers was associated personally with any of the characters on the shows? How would they have known to get them for the final battle? I'm fine if some people don't see the shows as canon, but it's all connected in my mind. - The events of the films directly affected Agents of SHIELD (at least in the first few seasons) - Agent Carter referenced the films and led to events which occurred on Agents of SHIELD (and AC's version of Jarvis appeared in Endgame) - AoS referenced the gang war that was going on in Daredevil. - All of the Netflix shows are obviously connected (and they all referenced the MCU films at some point) - Cloak & Dagger referenced characters on Luke Cage - Runaways featured Cloak & Dagger in two episodes (and referenced Wakanda) So to me it's all one connected universe-- as said elsewhere in the thread, until those characters are recast and show up on the big screen. Why do they need a personal connection? what personal connection did Tony have to Peter prior to Civil War? he knew about Spidey due to his antics, so why wouldn't he or others know about Daredevil, Jessica Jones, The Punisher or Luke Cage, Iron Fist maybe a bit more ok whatever but the other 4 are publicly known crime fighters, let alone the AOS agents, why wouldn't Strange and his people think fuck lets get Ghost Rider he's a fucking demon literally, the shows loosely follow the movies, but they also veer off drastically, like did the snap happen on AOS? I don't recall it happening, now they referenced Thanos in it but not the aftermath from my recollection.
This is why they imo are in offshoot universes similar but not identical to the mainstream MCU timeline, the shows don't impact the plot of the movies, they just piggyback off the movies to try and tie in, the Netflix shows are in the same universe as each other yes, but that doesn't mean they are in the same as the movies, the movies set up the multiverse possibility and how similar some of them are, so makes more sense imo that the movies exist in their own world and the other shows live in their own 99.99% identical universes, which is why the movies impact the shows but not the other way around.
If they don't know each other, how do they know where to find them? Wong and Strange were at most two degrees away from every other hero that showed up. Who knows how long Tony had to figure out who Peter was, the heroes had minutes to gather together in time for the big showdown. How would they even know who Ghost Rider and Daredevil were considering they have secret identities? The snap didn't affect AoS, that's why I said "at least in the first few seasons," regarding SHIELD. I don't disagree with you, I think the official canon matches what you're saying as far as Marvel Studios is concerned. But for me they're all connected because the shows put in the effort to make it feel that way, and that makes it more fun. |
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Post by dazz on Aug 3, 2020 15:31:04 GMT
Why do they need a personal connection? what personal connection did Tony have to Peter prior to Civil War? he knew about Spidey due to his antics, so why wouldn't he or others know about Daredevil, Jessica Jones, The Punisher or Luke Cage, Iron Fist maybe a bit more ok whatever but the other 4 are publicly known crime fighters, let alone the AOS agents, why wouldn't Strange and his people think fuck lets get Ghost Rider he's a fucking demon literally, the shows loosely follow the movies, but they also veer off drastically, like did the snap happen on AOS? I don't recall it happening, now they referenced Thanos in it but not the aftermath from my recollection.
This is why they imo are in offshoot universes similar but not identical to the mainstream MCU timeline, the shows don't impact the plot of the movies, they just piggyback off the movies to try and tie in, the Netflix shows are in the same universe as each other yes, but that doesn't mean they are in the same as the movies, the movies set up the multiverse possibility and how similar some of them are, so makes more sense imo that the movies exist in their own world and the other shows live in their own 99.99% identical universes, which is why the movies impact the shows but not the other way around.
If they don't know each other, how do they know where to find them? Wong and Strange were at most two degrees away from every other hero that showed up. Who knows how long Tony had to figure out who Peter was, the heroes had minutes to gather together in time for the big showdown. How would they even know who Ghost Rider and Daredevil were considering they have secret identities? The snap didn't affect AoS, that's why I said "at least in the first few seasons," regarding SHIELD. I don't disagree with you, I think the official canon matches what you're saying as far as Marvel Studios is concerned. But for me they're all connected because the shows put in the effort to make it feel that way, and that makes it more fun. Daredevil operated for years in NYC, Spidey was active less than a year, and the superhero who disappears and reappears the same time as a blind lawyer who made the press after representing The Punisher, who was also connected to Daredevil is surely easier to figure out than Spidey's identity. Strange and Wong oversee the mystical goings on in the world, they should know about the Ghost Rider and how to find or summon him, as for the others I don't know maybe the fact that Jones and Cage as well as Iron Fist all have superpowers and in that universe supers are registered, same reason The Avengers should know about Inhumans, who by the shows now live on earth and have the means of teleporting, so the entire Inhumans should have shown up also. I wish they were more connected, it would have been awesome to see The Defenders busting heads in a movie, whilst you just have Frank screaming bloody murder as he mows fuckers down with a mini gun or something, opportunities missed  |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 3, 2020 16:20:48 GMT
If they don't know each other, how do they know where to find them? Wong and Strange were at most two degrees away from every other hero that showed up. Who knows how long Tony had to figure out who Peter was, the heroes had minutes to gather together in time for the big showdown. How would they even know who Ghost Rider and Daredevil were considering they have secret identities? The snap didn't affect AoS, that's why I said "at least in the first few seasons," regarding SHIELD. I don't disagree with you, I think the official canon matches what you're saying as far as Marvel Studios is concerned. But for me they're all connected because the shows put in the effort to make it feel that way, and that makes it more fun. Daredevil operated for years in NYC, Spidey was active less than a year, and the superhero who disappears and reappears the same time as a blind lawyer who made the press after representing The Punisher, who was also connected to Daredevil is surely easier to figure out than Spidey's identity. Strange and Wong oversee the mystical goings on in the world, they should know about the Ghost Rider and how to find or summon him, as for the others I don't know maybe the fact that Jones and Cage as well as Iron Fist all have superpowers and in that universe supers are registered, same reason The Avengers should know about Inhumans, who by the shows now live on earth and have the means of teleporting, so the entire Inhumans should have shown up also. I wish they were more connected, it would have been awesome to see The Defenders busting heads in a movie, whilst you just have Frank screaming bloody murder as he mows fuckers down with a mini gun or something, opportunities missed What is this Inhumans? That show does not exist and shall never be spoken of again.  |
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