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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Aug 16, 2020 4:01:02 GMT
Nope. You are delusional. Exactly which delusion do you mean? Seeing I haven't expressed all that much. You are delusion in general. You always have been.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 16, 2020 4:09:42 GMT
Exactly which delusion do you mean? Seeing I haven't expressed all that much. You are delusion in general. You always have been. That settles it, does it? Is "thou shalt not steal" the delusion you mean? I know when the government does it, it's not "stealing." Or is the delusion you mean one of the other ones?
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Aug 16, 2020 4:12:53 GMT
You are delusion in general. You always have been. That settles it, does it? Is "thou shalt not steal" the delusion you mean? I know when the government does it, it's not "stealing." Or is the delusion you mean one of the other ones? You're just a basic fool, Ar, and I know you can't help it. I should leave you alone, but I kinda like you and me and Herald aren't speaking at the moment. But don't worry, God looks after folks like you.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 16, 2020 4:17:00 GMT
That settles it, does it? Is "thou shalt not steal" the delusion you mean? I know when the government does it, it's not "stealing." Or is the delusion you mean one of the other ones? You're just a basic fool, Ar, and I know you can't help it. I should leave you alone, but I kinda like you and me and Herald aren't speaking at the moment. But don't worry, God looks after folks like you. One hopes. It's also not "killing" exactly when the government does it.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Aug 16, 2020 4:36:36 GMT
You're just a basic fool, Ar, and I know you can't help it. I should leave you alone, but I kinda like you and me and Herald aren't speaking at the moment. But don't worry, God looks after folks like you. One hopes. It's also not "killing" exactly when the government does it. “God has a special providence for fools, drunkards, and the United States of America.” -- Otto von Bismarck.
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Post by maya55555 on Aug 16, 2020 4:55:47 GMT
THEY HAVE BEEN GLAMORIZING WITCHCRAFT SINCE 1942.
"I Married A Witch"

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Post by goz on Aug 16, 2020 5:57:48 GMT
One hopes. It's also not "killing" exactly when the government does it. “God has a special providence for fools, drunkards, and the United States of America.” -- Otto von Bismarck. Goz fact: Otto von Bismarck. was the foster father of my step G4 grand uncle.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Aug 16, 2020 6:02:02 GMT
THEY HAVE BEEN GLAMORIZING WITCHCRAFT SINCE 1942.
"I Married A Witch"

They also glamourize Thor, Hercules, Big Foot, and other mythical creatures.
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Post by Isapop on Aug 16, 2020 10:44:48 GMT
I don't need ANY notion of the truth, you boob. Just as I already and futilely explained, we don't need to know what "dekkajnid" is to know whether or not Jasper claims to be that. And we don't need to know what the truth is to know that the Bible says it's the truth. By now, I'm certain that the average 4th grader would understand. You don't. Your team isn't hitched to your cart, dude. "All Scripture is breathed out by God" - 2 Timothy 3:16 (ESV) "Every word of God proves true" - Book Of Proverbs 30:5 (ESV) "The Bible doesn't say it's true." - Brayings Of Arlon (RFS)
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 16, 2020 11:31:31 GMT
Sure: " There apparently are conditions and limits on Bible promises... That is apparently the way with the intelligent designer as well. "I hope that helps. Since it did not copy here (yet), your question was ... You asked such a question apparently because you believe I said "we" may set conditions on God. That is not what I meant. I meant God put limits and conditions on the "his" promises as most people of even moderate intelligence already easily understand. Take another look at my words now. OK then, but now you also seem unaware of the notion of conditional and unconditional covenants, such as exist in scripture and as such are readily distinguished by theologians. Deut 31:8 "The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. " Lack of conditional in this promise noted. God makes a covenant with Noah after the flood, in Gen. 9:1–17. It includes Noah’s descendants (9:9). God makes a promise not to bring another flood to destroy the earth, and gives the rainbow as a sign. The promise is valid for all Noah’s descendants. This is an “unconditional” covenant. By contrast the Mosaic covenant was an administration of the unconditional Abrahamic covenant of grace, it had a conditional aspect in respect to the physical land promise: the people of Israel needed to keep the stipulations of the covenant in order to stay in the Promised Land. More details here: www.beautifulchristianlife.com/blog/2-kinds-of-covenants-in-the-bible I hope that helps, since your sweeping remarks typically misunderstand things in scripture quite badly. Sorry it took one with only moderate intelligence to see this. Also, since the last time you came up with a definition, it was that your supposed god is something 'vague and nebulous' I am surprised that you can be so confident about anything about it. One unfortunately not present in any peer reviewed paper, it would seem. So God is both a fact of science and beyond science. Got it. lol You suspect wrong. It is arguable though that the Xian god does hand out at least one 'power' frequently and widely; the ability of all to bring themselves to heaven by believing in the message of Christ. When I ever suggest this, be sure and raise it again. But you still need to show creationism, er, intelligent design is a thing in fact. Continuing gratuitous offensiveness noted.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 16, 2020 12:18:32 GMT
You don't. Your team isn't hitched to your cart, dude. "All Scripture is breathed out by God" - 2 Timothy 3:16 (ESV) "Every word of God proves true" - Book Of Proverbs 30:5 (ESV) "The Bible doesn't say it's true." - Brayings Of Arlon (RFS) Actually if you want something literal you should go to the Hebrew original for the Old testament or the Greek original for the New Testament, since the Bible was not written in English. Try that now. The internet can help. Did you see yet? None of those scriptures uses the word for "truth." The actual literal meaning of the word "צָרַף" (tsaraph) is "refined" in the sense of removing impurities from metal. The verse compares it to a "מגנּה מגן" (magen) meaning "shield" in the sense of protection from enemies. The Hebrew word for "truth" is "אֱמֶת" (emet). Now try "that which was to be demonstrated" or in Latin quod erat demonstrandum often rendered "QED." I can understand how some people want and expect to have it all spelled out in simple to understand English. I can understand how some simpletons have a meaning for the word truth that dispenses with hidden meanings and artistic language. I can understand how simpletons think any words of any high value must be "true." The facts are however that although the words in the Bible have a high value they are not accessible to large numbers of people and therefore are not the source for people of God's truth. The source of God's truth for his people is the Holy Spirit imbued "prophet" (Old Testament) or Holy Spirit imbued person of whatever employment (New Testament). God never promised to send a book (either testament) to be the final arbiter of truth. However in both testaments he (or his son) did promise to send Holy Spirit imbued representatives. Old Testament -- Deuteronomy 18:18. New Testament -- John 16:13, John 14:17
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 16, 2020 12:25:14 GMT
"All Scripture is breathed out by God" - 2 Timothy 3:16 (ESV) "Every word of God proves true" - Book Of Proverbs 30:5 (ESV) "The Bible doesn't say it's true." - Brayings Of Arlon (RFS) Actually if you want something literal you should go to the Hebrew original for the Old testament or the Greek original for the New Testament, since the Bible was not written in English. Try that now. The internet can help. Did you see yet? None of those scriptures uses the word for "truth." The actual literal meaning of the word "צָרַף" (tsaraph) is "refined" in the sense of removing impurities from metal. The verse compares it to a "מגנּה מגן" (magen) meaning "shield" in the sense of protection from enemies. The Hebrew word for "truth" is "אֱמֶת" (emet). Now try "that which was to be demonstrated" or in Latin quod erat demonstrandum often rendered "QED." I can understand how some people want and expect to have it all spelled out in simple to understand English. I can understand how some simpletons have a meaning for the word truth that dispenses with hidden meanings and artistic language. I can understand how simpletons think any words of any high value must be "true." The facts are however that although the words in the Bible have a high value they are not accessible to large numbers of people and therefore are not the source for people of God's truth. The source of God's truth for his people is the Holy Spirit imbued "prophet" (Old Testament) or Holy Spirit imbued person of whatever employment (New Testament). God never promised to send a book (either testament) to be the final arbiter of truth. However in both testaments he (or his son) did promise to send Holy Spirit imbued representatives. Old Testament -- Deuteronomy 18:18. New Testament -- John 16:13, John 14:17 Which part of the Bible is untrue, or cannot be seen as the final arbiter then, Arlon? If one cannot tell, then it all falls suspect.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 16, 2020 13:01:19 GMT
FilmFlaneur said: [ full text here] < clips >
... OK then, but now you also seem unaware of the notion of conditional and unconditional covenants, such as exist in scripture and as such are readily distinguished by theologians. ... Deut 31:8 "The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. " Lack of conditional in this promise noted. Okay, in a manner of speaking L'Oréal changes hair color all the time, but you'd be missing the point. The point is that you do not have control over much of any significance, whatever you believe about promises, unconditional or otherwise.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 16, 2020 13:06:11 GMT
Actually if you want something literal you should go to the Hebrew original for the Old testament or the Greek original for the New Testament, since the Bible was not written in English. Try that now. The internet can help. Did you see yet? None of those scriptures uses the word for "truth." The actual literal meaning of the word "צָרַף" (tsaraph) is "refined" in the sense of removing impurities from metal. The verse compares it to a "מגנּה מגן" (magen) meaning "shield" in the sense of protection from enemies. The Hebrew word for "truth" is "אֱמֶת" (emet). Now try "that which was to be demonstrated" or in Latin quod erat demonstrandum often rendered "QED." I can understand how some people want and expect to have it all spelled out in simple to understand English. I can understand how some simpletons have a meaning for the word truth that dispenses with hidden meanings and artistic language. I can understand how simpletons think any words of any high value must be "true." The facts are however that although the words in the Bible have a high value they are not accessible to large numbers of people and therefore are not the source for people of God's truth. The source of God's truth for his people is the Holy Spirit imbued "prophet" (Old Testament) or Holy Spirit imbued person of whatever employment (New Testament). God never promised to send a book (either testament) to be the final arbiter of truth. However in both testaments he (or his son) did promise to send Holy Spirit imbued representatives. Old Testament -- Deuteronomy 18:18. New Testament -- John 16:13, John 14:17 Which part of the Bible is untrue, or cannot be seen as the final arbiter then, Arlon? If one cannot tell, then it all falls suspect. Perhaps even you can understand that parables are not "true" in the sense of names, times and places. That doesn't mean they don't have value or lessons somewhat like the fiction in half the library.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 16, 2020 13:12:16 GMT
FilmFlaneur said: [ full text here] < clips >
... OK then, but now you also seem unaware of the notion of conditional and unconditional covenants, such as exist in scripture and as such are readily distinguished by theologians. ... Deut 31:8 "The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. " Lack of conditional in this promise noted. Okay, in a manner of speaking L'Oréal changes hair color all the time, but you'd be missing the point. The point is that you do not have control over much of any significance, whatever you believe about promises, unconditional or otherwise. - Which is a different thing entirely from the general statement you made earlier, but that still leaves me with the most important control I mentioned, that over my own destiny, whether it is in the heavenly choir or being poked by demons with pitchforks in a pit of fire. And your remarks still leaves unresolved how any specific view can be obtained of something which is apparently so 'vague and nebulous'. But perhaps you have defined God over again?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 16, 2020 13:16:28 GMT
Which part of the Bible is untrue, or cannot be seen as the final arbiter then, Arlon? If one cannot tell, then it all falls suspect. Perhaps even you can understand that parables are not "true" in the sense of names, times and places. That doesn't mean they don't have value or lessons somewhat like the fiction in half the library. So when you speak of truth you don't really mean 'truth', just 'value'.. Got it. It seems an odd qualification of your argument in lieu of all you have been arguing viz-a-vis truth, right down to defining it from the original, and talking of God's supposed 'truth for His people'. Something untrue can be valuable of course, when it suits a purpose like persuading the credulous. Also, the Bible is also not entirely made up of parables, just sayin'.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 16, 2020 13:25:18 GMT
FilmFlaneur said: [ full text here] Okay, in a manner of speaking L'Oréal changes hair color all the time, but you'd be missing the point. The point is that you do not have control over much of any significance, whatever you believe about promises, unconditional or otherwise. - Which is a different thing entirely from the general statement you made earlier, but that still leaves me with the most important control I mentioned, that over my own destiny, whether it is in the heavenly choir or being poked by demons with pitchforks in a pit of fire. And your remarks still leaves unresolved how any specific view can be obtained of something which is apparently so 'vague and nebulous'. But perhaps you have defined God again? My own opinion, which you may reject and probably should, is that you'd be better off turning control of your destiny over to more demonstrably productive agencies. If you want any specifics about the god of the Bible, the source for that information is widely if not clearly understood to be the "Holy Spirit." However, although that spirit probably does have the ability to make people omniscient or exercise awesome powers, generally people just get such information as they need to make the next step in their journey or the next step in the journey of some group close to them. For most people most of the time when they try to change hair color they just make matters worse.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 16, 2020 13:34:10 GMT
- Which is a different thing entirely from the general statement you made earlier, but that still leaves me with the most important control I mentioned, that over my own destiny, whether it is in the heavenly choir or being poked by demons with pitchforks in a pit of fire. And your remarks still leaves unresolved how any specific view can be obtained of something which is apparently so 'vague and nebulous'. But perhaps you have defined God again? My own opinion, which you may reject and probably should, is that you'd be better off turning control of your destiny over to more demonstrably productive agencies. Thank you for your opinion, and you are welcome to it The Holy Spirit appears frequently as part of the Trinity, which is not something 'vague and nebulous' - in fact quite the opposite. How is that notion of consistency working out for you?
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 16, 2020 13:51:43 GMT
FilmFlaneur said: [ full text here] < clips >
- Thank you for your opinion, and you are welcome to it
- the Trinity, which is not something 'vague and nebulous'
- With the limited information on these boards it can be difficult to form substantive opinions.
- I'll have to reply to that later. My computer screen got sprayed with coffee.
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Post by Zos on Aug 16, 2020 14:20:29 GMT
Witchcraft/Wicca is for teenage girls. I am an occult snob.
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