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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 3, 2017 11:28:34 GMT
guys and gals, I remember enjoying these back in the day - iconoclastic Lucas bashing was en vogue, and I took part in it too. So, I tried to rewatch these "reviews" because to this day they are so religiously and faithfully quoted by the Prequel haters....and, dude, I was amazed how badly these efforts have aged.
It may be because nowadays everybody can do this kind of media stuff. But there is more: First, WOW, I had forgotten to what degree these reviews (at least I and II) are plagued by misogyny, sexism and rape humor! And this is in no factual connection with the Star Wars films subject wise...Just sick, lowbrow humor to pander to the bottom-of-the-barrel nerds.
And boy, these reviews are sloppy, one-sided and non-factual. Mike Stoklasa/Plinkett does not even bother to understand or research the underlying facts and concepts. Just one simple example: In the Ep I review he claims that only Jar Jar has a character arc. No, Binks obviously does not, Jar Jar stays the same clumsy buffoon he started out (last line: “Mesa give up”, and the Captain cringes), while other characters such as Padme have a clear cut arc of overcoming their advisors, and making their own decisions in the end!
Stoklasa/Plinkett does not bother with the more intellectually demanding aspects either, like piecing together the Palpatine plot puzzle, even though it is well explained in literature (and clearly laid out in the films). “Iz doz not makes sense!”, yeah iz that simple dude... .... He does not even understand the Balance of the Force concept (which means elimination of the dark side disturbance/corruption/malady, from the Jedi POV), and thinks it as contradiction to the subtitle “Destroy the Sith”...what gives?
His overlapping hypocrisy as a reviewer shows for instance when he demonstrates where best to rape the Falcon and declaring that that ship would have been ruined in the prequels had it been included (ignorant of the fact that the ship was seen in Sith), but being cool how it was depicted in his TFA review. ...Ultimately, these are your typical alternative-fact driven hate sermons, compelling for those who buy into that brand of hate ideology. Lucas wisely did not sue or pull it off the net, but IMO it’s an embarrassment for RLM and probably Stoklasa too. I think they should eventually apologize for the misogyny, hate and uninformed stupidity in this. Just IMO ....
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Post by ryboto on May 3, 2017 12:04:47 GMT
His TFA Plinkett review was better...I generally enjoy the rest of their videos, so I'll ignore the prequel reviews...
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Post by Jedan Archer on May 3, 2017 16:49:22 GMT
No, these video reviews did not age horribly, but were rotten from inception. They are angry rants for attention rather than proper reviews that reasonably weigh the pros and cons of the artistic merits. All they wanted is to see Lucas and his universe burn.
Ironically, they suggested that JJ Abrams should direct Star Wars, we saw what came out creatively when that actually happened. But to each his own.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on May 3, 2017 19:57:00 GMT
No, these video reviews did not age horribly, but were rotten from inception. They are angry rants for attention rather than proper reviews that reasonably weigh the pros and cons of the artistic merits. All they wanted is to see Lucas and his universe burn.
Ironically, they suggested that JJ Abrams should direct Star Wars, we saw what came out creatively when that actually happened. But to each his own. Jedan you old mercenary! Glad to see you survived the "maniacs!" who "blew it up!" over on what was the IMDb message boards!
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Post by Jedan Archer on May 3, 2017 20:36:12 GMT
No, these video reviews did not age horribly, but were rotten from inception. They are angry rants for attention rather than proper reviews that reasonably weigh the pros and cons of the artistic merits. All they wanted is to see Lucas and his universe burn.
Ironically, they suggested that JJ Abrams should direct Star Wars, we saw what came out creatively when that actually happened. But to each his own. Jedan you old mercenary! Glad to see you survived the "maniacs!" who "blew it up!" over on what was the IMDb message boards! Indeed, damn them, damn them all to hell! I hope they take their stinking paws off this forum, them damned dirty apes! I am semi-retired now, the good fight was fought, the abomination contained, most of the fandom enlightened. The few remaining fanboy drones showing up are easily defeated before they can even squeal "sexist" or "Plinkett".
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 20:42:52 GMT
No, we're not defeated. We just know better than to bother with you idiots. Most of the world knows the prequels were rotten from the time of their inception and that Plinkett's absolutely right about these horrible movies.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on May 3, 2017 21:00:24 GMT
I have to agree with both @tristankool-Aid and Jedan Archer. The Plinkett prequel reviews were a bunch of corrupt hypercritical hyperbole from the start. But, in a since, they haven't aged gracefully. Time has worn away the hype and the fad that they once created. In an ironic twist of fate, many people now see all of the flaws in their alleged accuracy and "quality". And that's what they postulated to do to the prequel movies themselves. On top of that their recent reviews of TFA and Rogue One have exposed the hypocrisy in their SW review criteria. And many people have let them know it. To the point that they actually made a review that was a cynical parody of them. (Getting called out and exposed on social media must've really gotten under their skin! How ironic since they owe their fame to calling out the prequels and George Lucas on social media). And now that the hype has worn off you can't deny that the humor in the prequel reviews glorifies rape culture (an extremely hot topic right now). Their image has gone from being the David Frost of the SW fanbase to being the Jerry Springer and Kellyanne Conway of the SW fanbase.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on May 3, 2017 21:11:33 GMT
No, we're not defeated. We just know better than to bother with you idiots. Most of the world knows the prequels were rotten from the time of their inception and that Plinkett's absolutely right about these horrible movies. Says the Plinkett lemming determined to live in his own prequel hating echo chamber. Nobody takes them for being the truth and the voice of SW anymore unless they willfully want to live in that blindness. Their hypocrisy is now obvious. Have fun... 🙈
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Post by Jedan Archer on May 3, 2017 21:13:43 GMT
Don't be such a sore, exiled loser, WeirdRaptor. We have brought balance. We have destroyed the Sithheads - the oppression of the dark side shall never return. You know it to be true!
The fact alone that your kind must now be protected as endangered species in order to prevent universal boredom on the forums speaks volumes. But we shall be vigilant, one Sith alone can let an entire order stumble over itself if complacent enough. That is what those dystopian prequels so impressively thought us.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 21:26:39 GMT
I'm sorry, did you guys say something? I couldn't hear you.
Whatever. Keep sounding in your bizarro world echo chamber where the prequels are perfect works are art created by an over-the-hill hack director who once got lucky with a couple of nostalgia pictures and then just made a bunch of crap afterwards.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on May 3, 2017 21:32:39 GMT
I'm sorry, did you guys say something? I couldn't hear you. Whatever. Keep sounding in your bizarro world echo chamber where the prequels are perfect works are art created by an over-the-hill hack director who once got lucky with a couple of nostalgia pictures and then just made a bunch of crap afterwards. And the box office results make your statement look like the words of a fool! 😂😂😂 Keep those absurd comments coming! Absolutely hilarious!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 21:45:23 GMT
In a world where the Transformers films are also major box office hits, just saying the prequels made money doesn't make them good. Try again, idiot.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on May 3, 2017 21:57:22 GMT
In a world where the Transformers films are also major box office hits, just saying the prequels made money doesn't make them good. Try again, idiot. And you could say the same thing about TFA. Try again clown.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 22:00:27 GMT
Ah, but neither the prequels nor the Transformers films made anywhere NEAR as much as TFA. Very few films reach that world wide box office, so obviously Disney is onto something with the new series. You try again clown.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on May 3, 2017 22:15:04 GMT
Ah, but neither the prequels nor the Transformers films made anywhere NEAR as much as TFA. Very few films reach that world wide box office, so obviously Disney is onto something with the new series. You try again clown. Try looking at the adjusted gross income of those movies. You will see that the Transformers movies fall back out of comparison. But the prequel films are much closer to TFA on the list. Besides, had Rogue One been released first and TFA second, there's no way TFA would've made 2 billion. TFA made it's first billion in 2 and a half weeks! That came from starving SW fans and clever marketing from Disney which painted TFA to be something different and better than what it was. If TFA had been as great as it's first 2 weeks suggested it would've sustained that pace longer and surpassed Titanic and Avatar. But people caught on after the word spread and the hype died off. Try again TFA worshipper!
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Post by Jedan Archer on May 3, 2017 22:25:25 GMT
Ah, but neither the prequels nor the Transformers films made anywhere NEAR as much as TFA. Very few films reach that world wide box office, so obviously Disney is onto something with the new series. You try again clown. So, commercial success is no indicator of artistic merits because movies like Transformers and the Prequels were successful? But in TFA's case it still is, because TFA was even more commercially successful than Transformers and the Prequels (TFA is on 11, TPM is around 18 btw)...? Got it: All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others (if it suits Weird Raptor). Most impressive. Your fallacy is "shifting goalposts", "bandwagon" and per usual "ad hominem". Don't try again please, it's just not your forte.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 22:42:41 GMT
Ah, but neither the prequels nor the Transformers films made anywhere NEAR as much as TFA. Very few films reach that world wide box office, so obviously Disney is onto something with the new series. You try again clown. So, commercial success is no indicator of artistic merits because movies like Transformers and the Prequels were successful? But in TFA's case it still is, because TFA was even more commercially successful than Transformers and the Prequels (TFA is on 11, TPM is around 18 btw)...? Got it: All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others (if it suits Weird Raptor). Most impressive. Your fallacy is "shifting goalposts", "bandwagon" and per usual "ad hominem". Don't try again please, it's just not your forte. I don't need to try again. The general reaction to TFA speaks for me. People actually like TFA, instead of settling like they had to with the prequels. Besides, I'm not going to give any of you morons an inch.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on May 3, 2017 23:02:22 GMT
So, commercial success is no indicator of artistic merits because movies like Transformers and the Prequels were successful? But in TFA's case it still is, because TFA was even more commercially successful than Transformers and the Prequels (TFA is on 11, TPM is around 18 btw)...? Got it: All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others (if it suits Weird Raptor). Most impressive. Your fallacy is "shifting goalposts", "bandwagon" and per usual "ad hominem". Don't try again please, it's just not your forte. I don't need to try again. The general reaction to TFA speaks for me. People actually like TFA, instead of settling like they had to with the prequels. Besides, I'm not going to give any of you morons an inch. Keep telling yourself that in front of a mirror. It just might come true. And if that doesn't work for you, put on a pair of heeled ruby-red slippers and click your heels 3 times! 😂
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 23:05:10 GMT
Right back at you. You're so lost in the madness of this little circlejerk of yours', you nearly have yourself convinced the prequels are well-beloved. Excuse me while I step back into the real world while you continue to play and skip in your fantasy realm.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on May 3, 2017 23:38:28 GMT
Right back at you. You're so lost in the madness of this little circlejerk of yours', you nearly have yourself convinced the prequels are well-beloved. Excuse me while I step back into the real world while you continue to play and skip in your fantasy realm. They're not necessarily "well beloved" but they're not universally hated as you suggest. They're liked by quite a few fans and accepted by most. All I have to do is look at the success of the CWAS (prequel related); the turnout at conventions for prequel related SW, the sales for SW series toys that include prequel characters, the sales for the prequels blue-ray set.... You Plinkett lemming prequel haters are the only ones who hang on to these ostracized fantasies.
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