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Post by clusium on Aug 4, 2020 19:31:21 GMT
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 5, 2020 18:27:02 GMT
It seems innocent enough but it's preparatory to the formation of the one-world religion. I know this will sound crazy to most people, but just wait. If you live long enough, you'll see it. And if you don't live long, you're fortunate.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Aug 5, 2020 20:07:57 GMT
It seems innocent enough but it's preparatory to the formation of the one-world religion. I know this will sound crazy to most people, but just wait. If you live long enough, you'll see it. And if you don't live long, you're fortunate. Doesn’t the Catholic Church teach that Christianity is the only religion everyone should adhere to thus making its manifest goal a one-world religion, aka Universalism. Just wait, if you long enough, you might see you, Herald, were a member of the Great Conspiracy all along. I mean isn’t that what the devil does? Trick you true believers into believing lies are the truth? |
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Post by orkrdrkr on Aug 5, 2020 21:31:26 GMT
It seems innocent enough but it's preparatory to the formation of the one-world religion. I know this will sound crazy to most people, but just wait. If you live long enough, you'll see it. And if you don't live long, you're fortunate. Doesn’t the Catholic Church teach that Christianity is the only religion everyone should adhere to thus making its manifest goal a one-world religion, aka Universalism. Just wait, if you long enough, you might see you, Herald, were a member of the Great Conspiracy all along. I mean isn’t that what the devil does? Trick you true believers into believing lies are the truth? It used to teach that, but not since the Second Vatican Council. |
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Aug 5, 2020 21:36:40 GMT
Doesn’t the Catholic Church teach that Christianity is the only religion everyone should adhere to thus making its manifest goal a one-world religion, aka Universalism. Just wait, if you long enough, you might see you, Herald, were a member of the Great Conspiracy all along. I mean isn’t that what the devil does? Trick you true believers into believing lies are the truth? It used to teach that, but not since the Second Vatican Council. Even so, there’s not a right wing Christian who does not think the world shouldn’t convert to Christianity, especially the Muslims, which if it happened, would make by definition, a “one religion world.” Ironically, that’s also a sign of the Anti-Christ...according to them. |
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Post by clusium on Aug 6, 2020 6:10:35 GMT
It seems innocent enough but it's preparatory to the formation of the one-world religion. I know this will sound crazy to most people, but just wait. If you live long enough, you'll see it. And if you don't live long, you're fortunate. The Catholic Church does not try to form one world religion. That is impossible. It just tries to get people to come to Christ. It is the younger religions which try to unite all the religions into one religion. Ie; The Baha'i faith, Can Dai, etc.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 6, 2020 8:11:53 GMT
It seems innocent enough but it's preparatory to the formation of the one-world religion. I know this will sound crazy to most people, but just wait. If you live long enough, you'll see it. And if you don't live long, you're fortunate. Doesn’t the Catholic Church teach that Christianity is the only religion everyone should adhere to thus making its manifest goal a one-world religion, aka Universalism. Just wait, if you long enough, you might see you, Herald, were a member of the Great Conspiracy all along. I mean isn’t that what the devil does? Trick you true believers into believing lies are the truth? If you don't want to join the Catholic Church, then just don't join it. I didn't. No consequences or anything. See how easy that was? If you're a member of the Catholic Church now and don't want to be, leave. Just leave. Again, no consequences. The one-world religion I'm talking about isn't established on earth yet, but it will be, and the penalty for not joining it will be death.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 6, 2020 8:13:27 GMT
It seems innocent enough but it's preparatory to the formation of the one-world religion. I know this will sound crazy to most people, but just wait. If you live long enough, you'll see it. And if you don't live long, you're fortunate. The Catholic Church does not try to form one world religion. That is impossible. It just tries to get people to come to Christ. It is the younger religions which try to unite all the religions into one religion. Ie; The Baha'i faith, Can Dai, etc. Give it some time.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Aug 6, 2020 8:35:09 GMT
Doesn’t the Catholic Church teach that Christianity is the only religion everyone should adhere to thus making its manifest goal a one-world religion, aka Universalism. Just wait, if you long enough, you might see you, Herald, were a member of the Great Conspiracy all along. I mean isn’t that what the devil does? Trick you true believers into believing lies are the truth? If you don't want to join the Catholic Church, then just don't join it. I didn't. No consequences or anything. See how easy that was? If you're a member of the Catholic Church now and don't want to be, leave. Just leave. Again, no consequences. The one-world religion I'm talking about isn't established on earth yet, but it will be, and the penalty for not joining it will be death. Already been there. Done that. Recovering. But when the scandals hit and I saw how the church treated the children and whistleblowers, I realized preachers, bishops, etc really do not know any more about being a Christian than some pagan Hottentot. Actually the Hottentot knows more. It’s not God I have problem with, it’s you people. And I don’t think you even love God and Jesus like you think you do. You like idea of Jesus and his Divine Retribution for all the folks you hate. You like the moral bragging points that comes with saying, “I’ve been saved,” and the magical thinking that does not require any study, but you want your grace on the cheap. No suffering for you guys. No compassion. No empathy. It’s all “me, me, me.” You won’t even put on a mask. Despite it riches, beautiful art works, even magnificent deeds, Christianity has become a hollowed out faith that down through the centuries has done more harm than good. I respect individuals who try to remain and truly reform the church and live Christ’s message, but they’re a minority and it’s a losing battle. .
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 6, 2020 8:45:33 GMT
If you don't want to join the Catholic Church, then just don't join it. I didn't. No consequences or anything. See how easy that was? If you're a member of the Catholic Church now and don't want to be, leave. Just leave. Again, no consequences. The one-world religion I'm talking about isn't established on earth yet, but it will be, and the penalty for not joining it will be death. Already been there. Done that. Recovering. But when the scandals hit and I saw how the church treated the children and whistleblowers, I realized preachers, bishops, etc really do not know any more about being a Christian than some pagan Hottentot. Actually the Hottentot knows more. It’s not God I have problem with, it’s you people. And I don’t think you even love God and Jesus like you think you do. You like idea of Jesus and his Divine Retribution for all the folks you hate. You like the moral bragging points that comes with saying, “I’ve been saved,” and the magical thinking that does not require any study, but you want your grace on the cheap. No suffering for you guys. No compassion. No empathy. It’s all “me, me, me.” You won’t even put on a mask. Despite it riches, beautiful art works, even magnificent deeds, Christianity has become a hollowed out faith that down through the centuries has done more harm than good. I respect individuals who try to remain and truly reform the church and live Christ’s message, but they’re a minority and it’s a losing battle. . Don't say, "you people." That's so racist.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Aug 6, 2020 12:05:22 GMT
Already been there. Done that. Recovering. But when the scandals hit and I saw how the church treated the children and whistleblowers, I realized preachers, bishops, etc really do not know any more about being a Christian than some pagan Hottentot. Actually the Hottentot knows more. It’s not God I have problem with, it’s you people. And I don’t think you even love God and Jesus like you think you do. You like idea of Jesus and his Divine Retribution for all the folks you hate. You like the moral bragging points that comes with saying, “I’ve been saved,” and the magical thinking that does not require any study, but you want your grace on the cheap. No suffering for you guys. No compassion. No empathy. It’s all “me, me, me.” You won’t even put on a mask. Despite it riches, beautiful art works, even magnificent deeds, Christianity has become a hollowed out faith that down through the centuries has done more harm than good. I respect individuals who try to remain and truly reform the church and live Christ’s message, but they’re a minority and it’s a losing battle. . Don't say, "you people." That's so racist. I’m white, you’re white...think of it as the “my nigga” amongst us pale dudes.
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Post by clusium on Aug 6, 2020 17:00:58 GMT
The Catholic Church does not try to form one world religion. That is impossible. It just tries to get people to come to Christ. It is the younger religions which try to unite all the religions into one religion. Ie; The Baha'i faith, Can Dai, etc. Give it some time. It's been around for 2,000 years Erjen. Like I said in my previous post, if you are trying to be wary of a religion that tries to unite all world religions, the look for the ones such as the Baha'i faith and/or Cao Dai, etc.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 6, 2020 18:08:24 GMT
It's been around for 2,000 years Erjen. Like I said in my previous post, if you are trying to be wary of a religion that tries to unite all world religions, the look for the ones such as the Baha'i faith and/or Cao Dai, etc. I don't trust any of them, but the thread was about the Pope, and I hope you'll agree that here in the West he is more visible than the Baha'i faith or any of the others. EDIT -- If you live to see the day when Catholicism is merged with the others into a mandatory worldwide religion, will you go along with it? I don't need an answer. It's just something for you to think about.
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Post by clusium on Aug 6, 2020 19:24:31 GMT
It's been around for 2,000 years Erjen. Like I said in my previous post, if you are trying to be wary of a religion that tries to unite all world religions, the look for the ones such as the Baha'i faith and/or Cao Dai, etc. I don't trust any of them, but the thread was about the Pope, and I hope you'll agree that here in the West he is more visible than the Baha'i faith or any of the others. EDIT -- If you live to see the day when Catholicism is merged with the others into a mandatory worldwide religion, will you go along with it? I don't need an answer. It's just something for you to think about. I honestly do not believe that is going to happen, Erjen. The only possible religions that I see merging with the Catholic Church are Orthodoxy and/or Protestantism. The creeds of other religions contradict Catholicism & Christianity in general. Eg: We all know that in Islam for example, the Lord Jesus is no more than just a prophet. In order for Christianity & Islam to merge, one religion would have to give: Either Christianity gives up on the Divinity Of Christ, or Islam accepts the Divinity Of Christ.
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Post by orkrdrkr on Aug 6, 2020 21:12:45 GMT
I don't trust any of them, but the thread was about the Pope, and I hope you'll agree that here in the West he is more visible than the Baha'i faith or any of the others. EDIT -- If you live to see the day when Catholicism is merged with the others into a mandatory worldwide religion, will you go along with it? I don't need an answer. It's just something for you to think about. I honestly do not believe that is going to happen, Erjen. The only possible religions that I see merging with the Catholic Church are Orthodoxy and/or Protestantism. The creeds of other religions contradict Catholicism & Christianity in general. Eg: We all know that in Islam for example, the Lord Jesus is no more than just a prophet. In order for Christianity & Islam to merge, one religion would have to give: Either Christianity gives up on the Divinity Of Christ, or Islam accepts the Divinity Of Christ. Muslims say that Christianity and Islam are not different religions, but that Christians believe wrongly in a forged Bible and that Muslims are better Christians than they are. The Qur'an opens its first chapter (Surah) with a prayer where a Muslim is to ask Allah to guide him on the straight path and not to make him like Jews and Christians. Using the Hilali-Khan translation: 1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the ‘Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).
3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
4. The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)
5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).
6. Guide us to the Straight Way
7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).Jesus himself according to the Qur'an denied ever claiming that he was God incarnate (5-116-117): 116. And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): “O ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?’ ” He will say: “Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.
117. “Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: ‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world). |
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Post by clusium on Aug 6, 2020 22:20:48 GMT
I honestly do not believe that is going to happen, Erjen. The only possible religions that I see merging with the Catholic Church are Orthodoxy and/or Protestantism. The creeds of other religions contradict Catholicism & Christianity in general. Eg: We all know that in Islam for example, the Lord Jesus is no more than just a prophet. In order for Christianity & Islam to merge, one religion would have to give: Either Christianity gives up on the Divinity Of Christ, or Islam accepts the Divinity Of Christ. Muslims say that Christianity and Islam are not different religions, but that Christians believe wrongly in a forged Bible and that Muslims are better Christians than they are. The Qur'an opens its first chapter (Surah) with a prayer where a Muslim is to ask Allah to guide him on the straight path and not to make him like Jews and Christians. Using the Hilali-Khan translation: 1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the ‘Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).
3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
4. The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)
5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).
6. Guide us to the Straight Way
7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).Jesus himself according to the Qur'an denied ever claiming that he was God incarnate (5-116-117): 116. And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): “O ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?’ ” He will say: “Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.
117. “Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: ‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world).That is why Christianity & Islam are 2 distinct religions. Evangelical & Fundamentalist Protestants try to merge Christianity & Judaism together by making such groups such as "Jews for Jesus," or "Messianic Judaism," etc., but, no such thing has been tried with Muslims.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 7, 2020 8:11:42 GMT
I don't trust any of them, but the thread was about the Pope, and I hope you'll agree that here in the West he is more visible than the Baha'i faith or any of the others. EDIT -- If you live to see the day when Catholicism is merged with the others into a mandatory worldwide religion, will you go along with it? I don't need an answer. It's just something for you to think about. I honestly do not believe that is going to happen, Erjen. The only possible religions that I see merging with the Catholic Church are Orthodoxy and/or Protestantism. The creeds of other religions contradict Catholicism & Christianity in general. Eg: We all know that in Islam for example, the Lord Jesus is no more than just a prophet. In order for Christianity & Islam to merge, one religion would have to give: Either Christianity gives up on the Divinity Of Christ, or Islam accepts the Divinity Of Christ. Islam is not going to accept the Divinity of Christ, and Christianity has been gradually distancing itself from the concept.
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Post by orkrdrkr on Aug 7, 2020 8:25:37 GMT
I honestly do not believe that is going to happen, Erjen. The only possible religions that I see merging with the Catholic Church are Orthodoxy and/or Protestantism. The creeds of other religions contradict Catholicism & Christianity in general. Eg: We all know that in Islam for example, the Lord Jesus is no more than just a prophet. In order for Christianity & Islam to merge, one religion would have to give: Either Christianity gives up on the Divinity Of Christ, or Islam accepts the Divinity Of Christ. Islam is not going to accept the Divinity of Christ, and Christianity has been gradually distancing itself from the concept. Some argue that the Qur'an unknowingly deifies Jesus in Surah 4:171  : 171. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, (“Be!” – and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: “Three (trinity)!” Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.
2: 117. The Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it : “Be!” – and it is.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 7, 2020 8:33:25 GMT
Islam is not going to accept the Divinity of Christ, and Christianity has been gradually distancing itself from the concept. Some argue that the Qur'an unknowingly deifies Jesus in Surah 4:171 : 171. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, (“Be!” – and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: “Three (trinity)!” Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.
2: 117. The Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it : “Be!” – and it is.
Interesting. Never knew about this one before.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 7, 2020 8:54:25 GMT
It seems innocent enough but it's preparatory to the formation of the one-world religion. I know this will sound crazy to most people, but just wait. If you live long enough, you'll see it. And if you don't live long, you're fortunate. What keeps aggravating the situation is that some truths are indeed universal and some truths are not. Some truths are local. Some truths depend on different inclinations, acquired habits, and modes of addressing problems. Ask any large group of mothers which is the best way to raise children and they will tell you that what works on some children doesn't work best on others. They will also tell you that what worked on one of their own children did not work on the another of their own children. clusium seems like the sort of person who has a lot of friends and can verify that. Rules, if they are followed, can be very efficient in society. Rules can spare needless trials of bad ideas; the time, the expense and the heartache. However in order for rules to be effective they need to be convincing. If only a few people have a rule, it probably won't be very convincing. One way for rules to be convincing is for a more or less "global" agreement on them. For example stealing is considered wrong throughout many varied cultures. Naturally then people can tend to want a "global" agreement on all their rules. As noted at the outset here though not all rules should be global. It won't work. Some people actually want rules that make no sense anywhere. So the main barrier to global cooperation on the rules is that too many people have still not sorted out which rules should be universal. They might never figure it out. It can appear that progress is being made though against total world anarchy.
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