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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 7, 2020 9:30:19 GMT
It seems innocent enough but it's preparatory to the formation of the one-world religion. I know this will sound crazy to most people, but just wait. If you live long enough, you'll see it. And if you don't live long, you're fortunate. What keeps aggravating the situation is that some truths are indeed universal and some truths are not. Some truths are local. Some truths depend on different inclinations, acquired habits, and modes of addressing problems. Ask any large group of mothers which is the best way to raise children and they will tell you that what works on some children doesn't work best on others. They will also tell you that what worked on one of their own children did not work on the another of their own children. clusium seems like the sort of person who has a lot of friends and can verify that. Rules, if they are followed, can be very efficient in society. Rules can spare needless trials of bad ideas; the time, the expense and the heartache. However in order for rules to be effective they need to be convincing. If only a few people have a rule, it probably won't be very convincing. One way for rules to be convincing is for a more or less "global" agreement on them. For example stealing is considered wrong throughout many varied cultures. Naturally then people can tend to want a "global" agreement on all their rules. As noted at the outset here though not all rules should be global. It won't work. Some people actually want rules that make no sense anywhere. So the main barrier to global cooperation on the rules is that too many people have still not sorted out which rules should be universal. They might never figure it out. It can appear that progress is being made though against total world anarchy. There is a "global" set of laws. They're called the Noahide Laws. Despite the name they have absolutely nothing to do with Noah. They are evil.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 7, 2020 9:34:57 GMT
What keeps aggravating the situation is that some truths are indeed universal and some truths are not. Some truths are local. Some truths depend on different inclinations, acquired habits, and modes of addressing problems. Ask any large group of mothers which is the best way to raise children and they will tell you that what works on some children doesn't work best on others. They will also tell you that what worked on one of their own children did not work on the another of their own children. clusium seems like the sort of person who has a lot of friends and can verify that. Rules, if they are followed, can be very efficient in society. Rules can spare needless trials of bad ideas; the time, the expense and the heartache. However in order for rules to be effective they need to be convincing. If only a few people have a rule, it probably won't be very convincing. One way for rules to be convincing is for a more or less "global" agreement on them. For example stealing is considered wrong throughout many varied cultures. Naturally then people can tend to want a "global" agreement on all their rules. As noted at the outset here though not all rules should be global. It won't work. Some people actually want rules that make no sense anywhere. So the main barrier to global cooperation on the rules is that too many people have still not sorted out which rules should be universal. They might never figure it out. It can appear that progress is being made though against total world anarchy. There is a "global" set of laws. They're called the Noahide Laws. Despite the name they have absolutely nothing to do with Noah. They are evil. And anarchy is somehow blessed?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 7, 2020 9:40:56 GMT
There is a "global" set of laws. They're called the Noahide Laws. Despite the name they have absolutely nothing to do with Noah. They are evil. And anarchy is somehow blessed? Anarchy? It hasn't been exactly that, has it? What are the choices here? Enforced globalism on one side of the coin, and anarchy on the other? Nothing in the middle?
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 7, 2020 9:45:05 GMT
And anarchy is somehow blessed? Anarchy? It hasn't been exactly that, has it? What are the choices here? Enforced globalism on one side of the coin, and anarchy on the other? Nothing in the middle? "Some truths are universal some are not" presupposes a balance. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" only in the imagination of some very troubled people.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 7, 2020 9:50:46 GMT
Anarchy? It hasn't been exactly that, has it? What are the choices here? Enforced globalism on one side of the coin, and anarchy on the other? Nothing in the middle? "Some truths are universal some are not" presupposes a balance. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" only in the imagination of some very troubled people. Agreed with both statements, but the Noahide Laws are still evil, and those who support them are supporting evil, whether they know it or not.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 7, 2020 9:56:19 GMT
"Some truths are universal some are not" presupposes a balance. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" only in the imagination of some very troubled people. Agreed with both statements, but the Noahide Laws are still evil, and those who support them are supporting evil, whether they know it or not. Exactly which laws and how are they evil? May you say?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 7, 2020 10:03:10 GMT
Agreed with both statements, but the Noahide Laws are still evil, and those who support them are supporting evil, whether they know it or not. Exactly which laws and how are they evil? May you say? If you want to embrace the Noahide Laws I can't stop you. Same goes for Clusium. I was put here to warn you and I have done so. I did all I was able to do.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 7, 2020 10:40:23 GMT
Exactly which laws and how are they evil? May you say? If you want to embrace the Noahide Laws I can't stop you. Same goes for Clusium. I was put here to warn you and I have done so. I did all I was able to do. What I find "terrifying" or disturbing about any law is its simplicity. Obtaining agreement by large numbers of people often excludes details. For example " ... it harm none, do what you will ... " (Wiccan Rede) is something large numbers of people can agree is a good idea. Where they do not agree is on the details. Is it a "harm" to a child if he has no present, supportive and guiding father? The rule against killing is widely accepted, but the details are problematic there as well. One idea to make the law better understood is to change it to a ban on "murder." That however does almost nothing to settle the disputes over what exactly is "killing" or for that matter what exactly is "murder." Since some truths are universal and some are not, it might help to consider one item at a time. Suppose you believe you should have the right to own a gun. Would it bother you if I agreed with you? Would it bother you if the "globe" agreed with you? Would you prefer they did not? Of course there are plenty of people who who live where only "police" may or apparently do have guns now. What exactly would be the problem if suddenly they all agreed with you?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 7, 2020 10:53:16 GMT
What I find "terrifying" or disturbing about any law is its simplicity. Obtaining agreement by large numbers of people often excludes details. For example " ... it harm none, do what you will ... " (Wiccan Rede) is something large numbers of people can agree is a good idea. Where they do not agree is on the details. Is it a "harm" to a child if he has no present, supportive and guiding father? The rule against killing is widely accepted, but the details are problematic there as well. One idea to make the law better understood is to change it to a ban on "murder." That however does almost nothing to settle the disputes over what exactly is "killing" or for that matter what exactly is "murder." Since some truths are universal and some are not, it might help to consider one item at a time. Suppose you believe you should have the right to own a gun. Would it bother you if I agreed with you? Would it bother you if the "globe" agreed with you? Would you prefer they did not? Of course there are plenty of people who who live where only "police" may or apparently do have guns now. What exactly would be the problem if suddenly they all agreed with you? Arlon10, I basically don't care what the problem would be if they suddenly all agreed with me. I have a friend in North Carolina whom I met on YouTube....really more like a sister than a friend...and I don't think she's right about everything, but I think she may be onto something when she tells me the seventh Noahide Law is how the globalist Satanists are going to get rid of church communion. There are seven main laws, but there are hundreds of subordinate laws. If you and Clusium want the Third Temple and Noahide Laws crap, then you may have it. If you want to ignore the warning like Zedekiah did, go ahead. It's your choice. My patience (like time) is running out. Am I likening myself to Jeremiah? Yes, I am. And John the Baptist too, as I expect to end up like he did (except for the silver tray).
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 7, 2020 11:38:43 GMT
What I find "terrifying" or disturbing about any law is its simplicity. Obtaining agreement by large numbers of people often excludes details. For example " ... it harm none, do what you will ... " (Wiccan Rede) is something large numbers of people can agree is a good idea. Where they do not agree is on the details. Is it a "harm" to a child if he has no present, supportive and guiding father? The rule against killing is widely accepted, but the details are problematic there as well. One idea to make the law better understood is to change it to a ban on "murder." That however does almost nothing to settle the disputes over what exactly is "killing" or for that matter what exactly is "murder." Since some truths are universal and some are not, it might help to consider one item at a time. Suppose you believe you should have the right to own a gun. Would it bother you if I agreed with you? Would it bother you if the "globe" agreed with you? Would you prefer they did not? Of course there are plenty of people who who live where only "police" may or apparently do have guns now. What exactly would be the problem if suddenly they all agreed with you? Arlon10, I basically don't care what the problem would be if they suddenly all agreed with me. I have a friend in North Carolina whom I met on YouTube....really more like a sister than a friend...and I don't think she's right about everything, but I think she may be onto something when she tells me the seventh Noahide Law is how the globalist Satanists are going to get rid of church communion. There are seven main laws, but there are hundreds of subordinate laws. If you and Clusium want the Third Temple and Noahide Laws crap, then you may have it. If you want to ignore the warning like Zedekiah did, go ahead. It's your choice. My patience (like time) is running out. Am I likening myself to Jeremiah? Yes, I am. And John the Baptist too, as I expect to end up like he did (except for the silver tray). I appreciate your concern, but I do not delude myself about the widespread interpretations of any simplistic formulation of any law whose ever as I explained. The pressing problem in the world I see is trying by simple minds to apply things they do not understand themselves. What exactly is your advice here? It seems that you are saying I shouldn't follow even your advice on anything.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 7, 2020 11:53:13 GMT
Arlon10, I basically don't care what the problem would be if they suddenly all agreed with me. I have a friend in North Carolina whom I met on YouTube....really more like a sister than a friend...and I don't think she's right about everything, but I think she may be onto something when she tells me the seventh Noahide Law is how the globalist Satanists are going to get rid of church communion. There are seven main laws, but there are hundreds of subordinate laws. If you and Clusium want the Third Temple and Noahide Laws crap, then you may have it. If you want to ignore the warning like Zedekiah did, go ahead. It's your choice. My patience (like time) is running out. Am I likening myself to Jeremiah? Yes, I am. And John the Baptist too, as I expect to end up like he did (except for the silver tray). I appreciate your concern, but I do not delude myself about the widespread interpretations of any simplistic formulation of any law whose ever as I explained. The pressing problem in the world I see is trying by simple minds to apply things they do not understand themselves. What exactly is your advice here? It seems that you are saying I shouldn't follow even your advice on anything. You want advice? I'll give you advice. Don't take a microchip in your right hand or a quantum dot tattoo on your forehead. Don't continue to fall for the 2-party political garbage. Don't believe in the Third Temple. Don't believe in the Noahide laws. Don't believe in friendly space aliens. Don't believe in space aliens at all. If you want something to believe in, I advise you believe in Jesus the Christ. He is our way out of this mess. Everything else I believed in has turned out to be a letdown.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 7, 2020 12:09:02 GMT
I appreciate your concern, but I do not delude myself about the widespread interpretations of any simplistic formulation of any law whose ever as I explained. The pressing problem in the world I see is trying by simple minds to apply things they do not understand themselves. What exactly is your advice here? It seems that you are saying I shouldn't follow even your advice on anything. You want advice? I'll give you advice. Don't take a microchip in your right hand or a quantum dot tattoo on your forehead. Don't continue to fall for the 2-party political garbage. Don't believe in the Third Temple. Don't believe in the Noahide laws. Don't believe in friendly space aliens. Don't believe in space aliens at all. If you want something to believe in, I advise you believe in Jesus the Christ. He is our way out of this mess. Everything else I believed in has turned out to be a letdown. I would assure you that there is no chance I will be accepting any microchip implants, tattoos, most "political" ideas in the media currently, or the necessary utility of any buildings in the Levant. I have met quite many sensible "Christians" and appreciate their friendship. There are however false "Christs" and likely false interpretations of Christianity much like any other ideology. Are there not? I put up with the government's notions of how to deal with the pandemic whether I believe it is a hoax or not. That happens. Sensible people often do that. Governments do use emergencies to hold onto power. I suspect that if it is a hoax the government will eventually have to back down though as the holes in their story get bigger.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 7, 2020 12:32:41 GMT
You want advice? I'll give you advice. Don't take a microchip in your right hand or a quantum dot tattoo on your forehead. Don't continue to fall for the 2-party political garbage. Don't believe in the Third Temple. Don't believe in the Noahide laws. Don't believe in friendly space aliens. Don't believe in space aliens at all. If you want something to believe in, I advise you believe in Jesus the Christ. He is our way out of this mess. Everything else I believed in has turned out to be a letdown. I would assure you that there is no chance I will be accepting any microchip implants, tattoos, most "political" ideas in the media currently, or the necessary utility of any buildings in the Levant. I have met quite many sensible "Christians" and appreciate their friendship. There are however false "Christs" and likely false interpretations of Christianity much like any other ideology. Are there not? I put up with the government's notions of how to deal with the pandemic whether I believe it is a hoax or not. That happens. Sensible people often do that. Governments do use emergencies to hold onto power. I suspect that if it is a hoax the government will eventually have to back down though as the holes in their story get bigger. If the government has to back down on this "crisis" they're just going to try another one. In the last eight years I've learned a few things about globalist Freemason ideology, and one of them is that they never NEVER NEVER give up. If one plan doesn't work, they'll just scrap it and try another. Look at how fast "global warming" disappeared after COVID19 appeared. Look at how fast ISIS disappeared after sharp-eyed blokes started pointing out the mistakes in their faked execution videos. As to your assurance that there is no chance you will take their mark of global submission, nothing would please me more than for you to follow through on this assurance if ever called upon. You're going to die anyway someday. So will I. He who loses his life in the name of the Christ will save it, and he who tries to save it will lose it.
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Post by clusium on Aug 7, 2020 15:15:14 GMT
I honestly do not believe that is going to happen, Erjen. The only possible religions that I see merging with the Catholic Church are Orthodoxy and/or Protestantism. The creeds of other religions contradict Catholicism & Christianity in general. Eg: We all know that in Islam for example, the Lord Jesus is no more than just a prophet. In order for Christianity & Islam to merge, one religion would have to give: Either Christianity gives up on the Divinity Of Christ, or Islam accepts the Divinity Of Christ. Islam is not going to accept the Divinity of Christ, and Christianity has been gradually distancing itself from the concept. The Catholic Church isn't.
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Post by clusium on Aug 7, 2020 15:23:33 GMT
Exactly which laws and how are they evil? May you say? If you want to embrace the Noahide Laws I can't stop you. Same goes for Clusium. I was put here to warn you and I have done so. I did all I was able to do. In what way have I said that I want to embrace Noahide laws? Noahidism is basically "Judaism for Gentiles." Eg: Remember 'Dave the Fave' from the old message forum? He used all his arguments & beliefs from Judaism, yet he claimed he wasn't Jewish. So, in all likelihood, he was Noahide.
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Post by clusium on Aug 7, 2020 15:25:38 GMT
What I find "terrifying" or disturbing about any law is its simplicity. Obtaining agreement by large numbers of people often excludes details. For example " ... it harm none, do what you will ... " (Wiccan Rede) is something large numbers of people can agree is a good idea. Where they do not agree is on the details. Is it a "harm" to a child if he has no present, supportive and guiding father? The rule against killing is widely accepted, but the details are problematic there as well. One idea to make the law better understood is to change it to a ban on "murder." That however does almost nothing to settle the disputes over what exactly is "killing" or for that matter what exactly is "murder." Since some truths are universal and some are not, it might help to consider one item at a time. Suppose you believe you should have the right to own a gun. Would it bother you if I agreed with you? Would it bother you if the "globe" agreed with you? Would you prefer they did not? Of course there are plenty of people who who live where only "police" may or apparently do have guns now. What exactly would be the problem if suddenly they all agreed with you? Arlon10, I basically don't care what the problem would be if they suddenly all agreed with me. I have a friend in North Carolina whom I met on YouTube....really more like a sister than a friend...and I don't think she's right about everything, but I think she may be onto something when she tells me the seventh Noahide Law is how the globalist Satanists are going to get rid of church communion. There are seven main laws, but there are hundreds of subordinate laws. If you and Clusium want the Third Temple and Noahide Laws crap, then you may have it. If you want to ignore the warning like Zedekiah did, go ahead. It's your choice. My patience (like time) is running out. Am I likening myself to Jeremiah? Yes, I am. And John the Baptist too, as I expect to end up like he did (except for the silver tray). I never said I wanted the Third Temple. I do not even believe that it will ever be made.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 7, 2020 18:20:27 GMT
Islam is not going to accept the Divinity of Christ, and Christianity has been gradually distancing itself from the concept. The Catholic Church isn't. With all due respect, Clusium, I don't believe that. If you and I are both alive ten years from now we'll see who was right.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 7, 2020 18:21:58 GMT
In what way have I said that I want to embrace Noahide laws? Noahidism is basically "Judaism for Gentiles." Eg: Remember 'Dave the Fave' from the old message forum? He used all his arguments & beliefs from Judaism, yet he claimed he wasn't Jewish. So, in all likelihood, he was Noahide. I'm glad to hear you say that. Yes, I remember Dave the Fave.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 7, 2020 18:24:28 GMT
Arlon10, I basically don't care what the problem would be if they suddenly all agreed with me. I have a friend in North Carolina whom I met on YouTube....really more like a sister than a friend...and I don't think she's right about everything, but I think she may be onto something when she tells me the seventh Noahide Law is how the globalist Satanists are going to get rid of church communion. There are seven main laws, but there are hundreds of subordinate laws. If you and Clusium want the Third Temple and Noahide Laws crap, then you may have it. If you want to ignore the warning like Zedekiah did, go ahead. It's your choice. My patience (like time) is running out. Am I likening myself to Jeremiah? Yes, I am. And John the Baptist too, as I expect to end up like he did (except for the silver tray). I never said I wanted the Third Temple. I do not even believe that it will ever be made. Give it ten more years.
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Post by clusium on Aug 7, 2020 18:30:30 GMT
The Catholic Church isn't. With all due respect, Clusium, I don't believe that. If you and I are both alive ten years from now we'll see who was right.  The Catholic Church can't give up faith in the Divinity Of Christ. The Catholic Church --& for that matter, the Orthodox Church --has to go by the Nicene Creed (as well as the Apostles' Creed, which is basically a smaller version of the Nicene Creed).
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