Terminator 2 trailer giving away Arnie is the good guy. Inte

Not a spoiler at the time and I have no idea why that would be a spoiler now. 

It would be hard to have a trailer for T2 without giving away that he is the good guy. It is not something the movie is trying to keep a secret. We find out he is the protector very early in the movie. I'd say the movie itself sets him up as the good guy right at the bar scene. He kills nobody and has bad to the bone played in the background and then immediately edits to T-1000 killing a cop and looking up John Connor. There is no point in the movie that is attempting to mislead the audience.

I am willing to bet that a lot of the marketing was pointing out that he is the hero this time and that the villain would be a new cyborg. 

I see no evidence for an attempted bait and switch. It clearly wasn't intended to be a bait and switch based on the fact that the trailer makes it very clear that he is the good guy. You even pointed out yourself that this was probably one of the main selling points of the movie.

I thought you were the OP. 

The point still stands. The trailer is shoving it down your throat that he is the good guy this time. It even does a bait and switch in the trailer itself as a joke.

I get what the point of the thread is and that is what I don't understand at the outset.

If James Cameron said it was intended to be a bait and switch then I can't really argue, but I assumed that James Cameron had some say in the marketing. It is a horrible job of it in the movie itself for me personally, because it has always been clear to me that T-1000 killed the cop and that the movie goes out of it's way to make the T-800 kill nobody in the bar and then have a cool moment of self parody with the song. The whole set up points to Arnold being good and T-1000 being bad. Then again, maybe that is only because I have no memory of what I thought when I first watched it.

When every trailer blatantly "spoils" something, I assume that it was never intended to be a secret and that people just assumed it was suppose to be. The fact that the trailer above even baits and switches as a seeming joke makes it even harder for me to believe that it was meant to be kept a secret.

I'll fully admit I am wrong if you can find James Cameron saying it was meant to be a bait and switch.

I have a very different definition of a twist than most people then and the fact that it would have loads of negative comments is just an example of people jumping to the conclusion that it was ever meant to be a secret in the first place. 

As you even stated (as I already stated) it seemed to be a huge part of the marketing of the film.

The T-1000 is creepy as fuck when he speaks to the foster parents imo, while the T-800 is humorously snatching people's shotguns away from them. 

Terminator Genisys on the other hand does seem to be trying to hide the fact that John Connor is going to be the villain in the actual movie. That is the difference. 

This I agree with. 

Was it just one of the trailers? In this case it seems more like a very strange marketing fuck up.

I ask because from what I can find, every trailer and TV spot for T2 is very in your face about Arnold being the hero. This makes sense, because he was known as the good guy at that point in his career and everything about the movie is playing at that.

This is the original teaser trailer. Seriously, the tagline in this trailer is "This time he is back..for GOOD."

In the movie it is obvious that we are not supposed to assume Arnie is the good terminator--Robert Patrick is presented as conversational with the step parents. He drops that when he is revealed as the bad one, only acting friendly when he is talking to the motorcycle cop.

We were meant to think he is another Reese until the Galleria scene.

I remember the initial reactions to the film and someone came out and said to the news interviewer "I didn't like it, it's a kid's movie."

Cameron was upset with people cheering the Terminator in the first movie shooting the cops--that's why he has the cop saying "they had families."
And because it was expected Arnie would be running or political office, he couldnt be shooting cops so they had 0 CASUALTIES
on his display screen.

At least in Terminator 3 he does actually kill John Connor in the future timeline.

 
I said I would admit I was wrong if you posted a source. So there is that. I definitely don't think James Cameron and co. thought this through very well at all on any front though.

You are right in that I can't say for sure what I would have thought the first time I watched the movie. I think I would have come to the same conclusion though and how would people even know it was even suppose to be a secret in the movie itself? I would have only possibly come to that conclusion after I watched the movie and the movie itself does a very bad job of being a twist imo. T-1000 is clearly a Terminator from the get go and of the 2 arrival scenes he is the only one between him and Arnold that even possibly kills someone. He doesn't even hit him in the face. It has always looks like he did something to the cop's stomach or chest area to me. The scene in directed like a horror movie. The T-800 scene is not directed that way.

It seems then that they painted themselves in a corner if they wanted it to be a twist, because it would have been very difficult to keep that a secret without keeping the trailers extremely vague.

You have to admit that the trailers for T2 are doing the opposite of trying to keep it a secret. With TG it seems much more like a fuck up, because they could have easily kept it a secret. This is why I still have a hard time believing what even Arnold and Cameron say. James Cameron seriously had no say in the marketing for the movie and they studio or whatever just said "we are going to not only spoil the twist, but we are going to use it as the main selling point? This just doesn't add up in my head.

I am not just arguing to argue. I am willing to admit that there just might be a mental block that I can't get past in this case.

That definitely occurred to me. The difference is that when I watched TG I can't argue at all that it is is meant be a shocking reveal. 

The "reveal" in T2 has never felt like a twist to me. That is the main difference. Even in hindsight I can only sort of see it. I have been trying to imagine what I would have thought watching T2 with no info beforehand besides The Terminator and I keep coming to the conclusion that it seems somewhat obvious who is the good guy and who is the bad guy from the first arrival scenes. The T-800 scene is directed like a Stallone anti-hero scene and the T-1000 scene is directed like a horror movie. In The Terminator the T-800 brutally murders people in that scene, here he intentionally doesn't kill anyone. The only way that even makes some sense is if he is to be seen as a good guy, because in reality the T-800 is no different at that point then he was in the first Terminator. By all means he should have killed everybody in that bar.