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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Aug 8, 2020 12:53:36 GMT
m.mlb.com/glossary/standard-stats/hold Definition
A hold occurs when a relief pitcher enters the game in a save situation and maintains his team's lead for the next relief pitcher, while recording at least one out. One of two conditions must be met for a pitcher to record a hold: 1) He enters with a lead of three runs or less and maintains that lead while recording at least one out. 2) He enters the game with the tying run on-deck, at the plate or on the bases, and records an out. As a statistic, holds are designed to credit late-relief pitchers who are not closers. For those pitchers, their primary job is to not relinquish the lead, while getting the ball to the next reliever in line. Every save opportunity in which a pitcher records at least one out will result in either a save, a blown save or a hold. A pitcher cannot receive a win or a save in a game in which he records a hold. However, more than one relief pitcher can record a hold in a single game. It is also possible for a pitcher to receive a hold and a loss in the same game should he exit with the lead, only to see the runners he left on base score the tying and go-ahead runs. Origin
The hold was invented in the 1980s by statisticians John Dewan and Mike O'Donnell as a means to quantify the effectiveness of relievers who aren't closers. The statistic was meant to value setup men -- who traditionally pitch the eighth inning before the closer pitches the ninth.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Aug 8, 2020 13:52:49 GMT
It shouldn’t even be a stat.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Aug 8, 2020 14:29:53 GMT
It’s important with respect to how bullpens are used nowadays. It’s kind of Bill Jamesy though if you ask me.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Aug 8, 2020 14:38:20 GMT
It’s important with respect to how bullpens are used nowadays. It’s kind of Bill Jamesy though if you ask me. I think it’s the opposite. Bill James stuff is used by teams to discern between Player A and Player B by means other than just looking at batting average, which tells an incomplete story. Holds were invented by fantasy baseball players so they could ascribe value to Darren O’Day.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Aug 8, 2020 16:35:15 GMT
It shouldn’t even be a stat. kenny would disagree:
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Post by Rufus-T on Aug 8, 2020 17:18:55 GMT
Was it Ron Davis' great 1981 season as the middle reliever who bridge to Gossage that got the conversation going? Now that we hardly have the starter goes deep into the game, the role of the middle reliever gotten more important. Is hold the appropriate way to quantify the success of the middle relievers? Hard to say. At least it is something to acknowledge their effort.
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Post by _ on Aug 8, 2020 17:46:13 GMT
I got somethin you can hold.
Heyo!
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Aug 8, 2020 18:05:24 GMT
I got somethin you can hold. Heyo! cheesecakes?
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Post by SportsFan19 on Aug 8, 2020 19:01:13 GMT
Depends, are 'saves' the most overrated stat in MLB? If so, then Holds are also overrated.
For myself, the answer is no the stats aren't overrated, but they are monetarily overrated by owners and GMs.
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Post by Rufus-T on Aug 8, 2020 19:08:41 GMT
Hold on tight to the game
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Post by NJtoTX on Aug 8, 2020 19:11:01 GMT
It shouldn’t even be a stat. They are both worth 7 points in my fantasy league. I suppose the commish just wanted to make things interesting. No negatives for blown saves and blown holds, however. You can mostly count on who will close, but holds are generally all over the place. Ottavino used to be good for them. This year Britton is the only one with 5 saves while 4 guys have 4. 4 guys also have 4 holds. Diaz has 3 of each.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Aug 8, 2020 22:54:40 GMT
Um.. no? Doing your job to not allow runs, there's not gonna be a Cy Participation Orange Slices Young trophy I hope.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Aug 9, 2020 1:22:32 GMT
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Post by _ on Aug 9, 2020 4:43:52 GMT
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Aug 9, 2020 5:10:13 GMT
Not for getting one out in 8th inning, but if you pitch for 3 or 4 outs as a bridge between the starter and closer then obviously that is hugely important to a team's success.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Aug 9, 2020 8:02:36 GMT
Not for getting one out in 8th inning, but if you pitch for 3 or 4 outs as a bridge between the starter and closer then obviously that is hugely important to a team's success. who is, historically, your favorite 'hold' pitcher?
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Post by twothousandonemark on Aug 9, 2020 14:36:50 GMT
Um.. no? Doing your job to not allow runs, there's not gonna be a Cy Participation Orange Slices Young trophy I hope. Pitchers throwing their best pitch to guys who barely ever see him, & won't again in the order... all with 2-3 innings safety parachute to spare if he coughs it all up.
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Post by Rufus-T on Aug 9, 2020 16:10:42 GMT
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Post by Rufus-T on Aug 9, 2020 16:20:22 GMT
Not for getting one out in 8th inning, but if you pitch for 3 or 4 outs as a bridge between the starter and closer then obviously that is hugely important to a team's success. who is, historically, your favorite 'hold' pitcher? The '96 Mariano may be the best hold pitcher. Rob Dibble of the Nasty Boys is up there too.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Aug 9, 2020 16:27:54 GMT
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