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Post by drystyx on Aug 9, 2020 14:38:55 GMT
Three movies bring this to mind.
THE MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER, can it be set in Australia and be a Western? Certainly looks like a Western. Even has horses in major roles. To be West, it would have to be East of the international date line, if that makes sense. And Australia is totally in the Eastern hemisphere. In fact, it is about as "non-West" as one can get.
SAVAGE PAMPAS, set in South America, which geographically is not even as far West as much of the Atlantic coast in North America. Still, it is the Western hemisphere, I believe.
NIGHTFALL-The classic that spawned a poor ripoff much loved by the spoiled brat generation today. This is set mostly West of the Mississippi River, but in the middle of the twentieth century. It's about an "Everyman" who accidentally stumbles upon mob money, an investigator who is in over his head and ponders the situation with his wife at home, and a pair of mobsters, one of whom makes a game out of assassinating people. It was only a matter of time before this risk taking classic was rewritten by a modern day brat to be more Hollywood. Still, is it a Western? Many people claim the pathetic rewrite is a Western.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Aug 9, 2020 14:42:57 GMT
Wikipedia suggests 19th century western US.
For me, it's like hurricanes vs. typhoons. Same things in different places.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 9, 2020 14:43:02 GMT
A locale that serves as the frontier for starters.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 9, 2020 14:44:16 GMT
My personal definition?
A movie that takes place in the OLD west and involves characters with guns.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 9, 2020 15:05:29 GMT
I want to touch on what I consider the purpose of a genre label.
To let the audience know what kind of movie they are about to watch.
It gets tricky when it comes to movies that are a combination of genres and I generally go by what the MAIN genre of the movie is.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 9, 2020 15:05:53 GMT
A movie that takes place in the OLD west and involves characters with guns. This and For me ... the movie cannot be merely set in the "west" ... The Misfits and Giant and Hud are NOT Westerns ! They are modern dramas set in Western states, There is a time period that makes it a western as well as a location. The Last of The Mohicans and Friendly Persuasion are NOT a Westerns ... they take place in the East. The Alamo is also not a "western" in the usual sense of the word.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 9, 2020 15:09:00 GMT
A movie that takes place in the OLD west and involves characters with guns. This and For me ... the movie cannot be merely set in the "west" ... The Misfits and Giant and Hud are NOT Westerns ! They are modern dramas set in Western states, There is a time period that makes it a western as well as a location. The Last of The Mohicans and Friendly Persuasion are NOT a Westerns ... they take place in the East. The Alamo is also not a "western" in the usual sense of the word. Bingo! I am a little more forgiving with The Alamo. I'm not sure what other category that fits in better. Action? War? I'd probably put that and Last of the Mohicans in the broader action genre.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 9, 2020 15:11:06 GMT
moviemouth the alamo ... yes action, war, drama, Hollywood-ized "history" .... Yes ... guns and Texas and approximate time period but not really classic "western"
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 9, 2020 15:12:14 GMT
moviemouth the alamo ... yes action, war, drama, Hollywood-ized "history" .... Yes ... guns and Texas and approximate time period but not really classic "western" Luckily most people don't need to know a genre ahead of time for movies like The Alamo. At least not people familiar with history.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 9, 2020 15:17:09 GMT
moviemouth the alamo ... yes action, war, drama, Hollywood-ized "history" .... Yes ... guns and Texas and approximate time period but not really classic "western" Luckily most people don't need to know a genre ahead of time for movies like The Alamo. At least not people familiar with history. Exactly. They (should) know what it is about.
What I don't like is the modern stories set in The west" being called "westerns". It comes up in the Movie Dozens games and sets my teeth on edge every time, but is not worth challenging. One guy insisted that Gone With the Wind was a western because he is in the UK and Georgia is west of him. Never figured out for sure if he was serious or just trolling
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 9, 2020 15:23:30 GMT
Luckily most people don't need to know a genre ahead of time for movies like The Alamo. At least not people familiar with history. Exactly. They (should) know what it is about.
What I don't like is the modern stories set in The west" being called "westerns". It comes up in the Movie Dozens games and sets my teeth on edge every time, but is not worth challenging. One guy insisted that Gone With the Wind was a western because he is in the UK and Georgia is west of him. Never figured out for sure if he was serious or just trolling The thing with me is that people can insist on whatever they want and they will either successfully convince me or they won't. If that person wants to consider Gone With the Wind a western, then there isn't much I can do about that. Nor do I care. My caring comes in when your opinions are about stuff that actually effects my life. What genre a movie is one of the more boring and uninteresting things to even discuss in regard to movies. No Country for Old Men is NOT a western. If someone wants to call it a modern western the whatever. I categorize it as a thriller.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 9, 2020 15:28:37 GMT
moviemouthYah .. that's another non-western for me. Modern era Thrillers set in the west are not real westerns. I don't usually care except when the topic / thread is listing "westerns" or playing a game specifically about "westerns".
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 9, 2020 15:32:25 GMT
moviemouth Yah .. that's another non-western for me. Modern era Thrillers set in the west are not real westerns. I don't usually care except when the topic / thread is listing "westerns" or playing a game specifically about "westerns". That makes sense.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 9, 2020 15:34:41 GMT
Something has to ... occasionally
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Post by drystyx on Aug 9, 2020 17:41:44 GMT
Luckily most people don't need to know a genre ahead of time for movies like The Alamo. At least not people familiar with history. I'm pretty sure that in 30 years, with History rewrites, and the burning of History books that "hate mongering" people don't like, a lot of new fangled people will just think "The Alamo" is going to be about one of those motels named "Alamo".
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 9, 2020 17:55:26 GMT
Luckily most people don't need to know a genre ahead of time for movies like The Alamo. At least not people familiar with history. I'm pretty sure that in 30 years, with History rewrites, and the burning of History books that "hate mongering" people don't like, a lot of new fangled people will just think "The Alamo" is going to be about one of those motels named "Alamo". You took a conversation about movie genres and somehow managed to ruin it. Figures. All you manage to do is ruin fun.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 9, 2020 18:36:44 GMT
Movies set in the American West that [embody] the spirit, the struggle and the demise of the new frontier.
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Post by Marv on Aug 9, 2020 19:09:02 GMT
1800s frontier America more or less.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 9, 2020 19:11:30 GMT
1800s frontier America more or less. mid to late 1800s and Western States .... frontier moved with the westward "expansion" ! Kentucky was "west" once upon a time !
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Post by dwightmachinehead on Aug 9, 2020 19:12:00 GMT
The characters are dressed as cowboys and carry guns and ride horses.
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