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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 10, 2020 23:28:43 GMT
I’ve never been one of those people who was outraged by the movie’s existence, but I can say that the movie has kind of gotten worse for me over time. When you get right down to it, it’s not really the original and innovative film that critics praised it as. The movie very much follows much of the same beats as TESB, with a bit of RotJ thrown in for good measure.
Sure, the movie does offer a few “subversive” narrative moments, but they’re not really anything mind-blowing. In fact, the only real reason that Rey’s supposed lineage could’ve ever been considered a “shocking” reveal is because the answer TLJ gave was so incredibly mundane compared to what people were expecting. I get what Rian Johnson was going for, but it does somewhat come across as him trolling the audience, rather than truly shocking them.
Also, while I didn’t think it was a problem when I first saw the movie, in hindsight, I can definitely understand why the stuff involving Canto Bight and Poe’s mutiny subplot are controversial. They do kind of just feel like they exist to pad out the runtime.
Frankly, I think the main reason why I was inclined to like TLJ when I first saw it was because I didn’t particularly care for J.J. Abrams’ mystery box approach to TFA, so I didn’t mind that Rian Johnson didn’t seem interested in playing along with it.
To be clear, I don’t think Rian Johnson is a hack. He’s made some things that I like, but these days, I am inclined to agree that he wasn’t exactly the best option to direct a sequel to TFA.
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Post by Prime etc. on Aug 10, 2020 23:48:38 GMT
In other words, to paraphrase Yoda
it wasn't a page turner.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Aug 13, 2020 14:39:58 GMT
Rian Johnson said his specific intent was to piss off half the audience.
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 13, 2020 17:28:48 GMT
Rian Johnson said his specific intent was to piss off half the audience. He said no such thing.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Aug 13, 2020 18:02:18 GMT
Rian Johnson said his specific intent was to piss off half the audience. He said no such thing. He never said that about making Star Wars: The Last Jedi. But he did say that about his general philosophy in moviemaking. And it seems he did carry that philosophy over into making TLJ.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Aug 13, 2020 18:33:03 GMT
He never said that about making Star Wars: The Last Jedi. But he did say that about his general philosophy in moviemaking. And it seems he did carry that philosophy over into making TLJ. It would be one thing if the reason for the divide was that his film was deep and philosophically thought provoking. But, seeing as how sophomoric TLJ is, it's really just a divide due to RJ trolling....
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 13, 2020 18:51:37 GMT
He never said that about making Star Wars: The Last Jedi. But he did say that about his general philosophy in moviemaking. No, he didn't. Not even your ridiculous, butthurt "source" has him saying this. Look, you people can hate on the movie as much as you want. But if you had credible reasons to do so, you would never have to lie about it.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 13, 2020 19:17:20 GMT
There’s something else I realized that I think is kind of interesting. The Reylo kiss in TRoS was pretty controversial among both detractors of the ST, and people who really like TLJ. The thing is, it’s weird to me that people who love TLJ would be so against that moment, when TLJ is the film that planted the seeds for Reylo in the first place. Before TLJ, most people assumed that Rey would either end up with Finn, or that she wouldn’t have any love interest, but after it was released, the Reylo ship skyrocketed in popularity. Shouldn’t Rian Johnson receive some blame for that?
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Post by Jan El Señor on Aug 13, 2020 20:27:00 GMT
Look, you people can hate on the movie as much as you want. But if you had credible reasons to do so, you would never have to lie about it. Lol at "hating on the movie."  The movie has its problems and they would exist whether or not RJ said what he said.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Aug 14, 2020 0:09:16 GMT
He never said that about making Star Wars: The Last Jedi. But he did say that about his general philosophy in moviemaking. No, he didn't. Not even your ridiculous, butthurt "source" has him saying this. Look, you people can hate on the movie as much as you want. But if you had credible reasons to do so, you would never have to lie about it. What the heck are you talking about? He says it right there at the opening of the video I posted. “Having half the people be blown away (and really like it). And having half the people walk out and say that was literally the worst movie that I’ve ever seen. Having those 2 extremes, that is what I (Rian) wants to accomplish.” That’s the opening quote from Rian Johnson. It doesn’t get any more credible than that! Either you didn’t watch the video, or you are in extreme denial about what he said. There’s really, literally no other way to interpret it! And if there is, I’d love to hear your explanation. (This should be good!) |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Aug 14, 2020 0:31:18 GMT
There’s something else I realized that I think is kind of interesting. The Reylo kiss in TRoS was pretty controversial among both detractors of the ST, and people who really like TLJ. The thing is, it’s weird to me that people who love TLJ would be so against that moment, when TLJ is the film that planted the seeds for Reylo in the first place. Before TLJ, most people assumed that Rey would either end up with Finn, or that she wouldn’t have any love interest, but after it was released, the Reylo ship skyrocketed in popularity. Shouldn’t Rian Johnson receive some blame for that? Yeah. Interesting subject, that kiss is. I think the detractors hated it because they never wanted that couple shipped. Or because it seemed to give the Reylos what they wanted. The more curious question is why the Reylos didn’t like it. Not completely sure. But near as I can tell it seems to be 2 reasons. Kylo dies right after that kiss, which many of them absolutely hated. They wanted a “happily ever after” ending with the love story. The other reason is that shortly after the release the filmmakers said that the kiss was actually platonic. (Which sounds very odd to me. In what situation is an exchanged kiss on the lips ever platonic?) So they branded the kiss as having no romantic intentions. All of this makes you wonder why they even bothered to have them kiss at all. |
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Post by darkpast on Aug 14, 2020 4:45:29 GMT
It holds up better to be me better now, but stuff with Rose and Finn is just filler in bloated run time
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 14, 2020 10:31:53 GMT
What the heck are you talking about? He says it right there at the opening of the video I posted. “Having half the people be blown away (and really like it). And having half the people walk out and say that was literally the worst movie that I’ve ever seen. Having those 2 extremes, that is what I (Rian) wants to accomplish.” That’s the opening quote from Rian Johnson. You are literally making stuff up--he never says any of this in your source.
How people like you can even live with yourselves is a source of endless amazement to me.
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Post by Jason143 on Aug 14, 2020 13:15:46 GMT
Still cannot understand why this was rated so highly by critics, some who were apparently die hard SW fans. The movie is an insult to any real fan and completely indefensible.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Aug 14, 2020 13:34:25 GMT
What the heck are you talking about? He says it right there at the opening of the video I posted. “Having half the people be blown away (and really like it). And having half the people walk out and say that was literally the worst movie that I’ve ever seen. Having those 2 extremes, that is what I (Rian) wants to accomplish.” That’s the opening quote from Rian Johnson. You are literally making stuff up--he never says any of this in your source.
How people like you can even live with yourselves is a source of endless amazement to me.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Aug 14, 2020 14:05:25 GMT
What the heck are you talking about? He says it right there at the opening of the video I posted. “Having half the people be blown away (and really like it). And having half the people walk out and say that was literally the worst movie that I’ve ever seen. Having those 2 extremes, that is what I (Rian) wants to accomplish.” That’s the opening quote from Rian Johnson. You are literally making stuff up--he never says any of this in your source.
How people like you can even live with yourselves is a source of endless amazement to me. That is a paraphrase of what he says, but essentially what he said. You want an exact quote? “I would be worried if everybody across the board was like, ‘Yeah that was a good movie.’ It’s much more exciting to me when you get, you know, a group of people coming up to you; really, really excited. You know it’s something they’re going to be having in their DVD collection. And there are other people who walk out, I mean, literally saying that was the worst movie I ever seen. Having those two extremes to me is, you know, the mark of the type of movie that I want to make. So...” Now please lie and say that is not what he said. Or lie and say what he said verbatim means something different than what I paraphrased. Or acknowledge the truth of what I posted. (That way everyone on this thread can see if we are dealing with someone who has a very unconventional opinion. Or someone who is just a delusional troll). |
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 14, 2020 14:11:41 GMT
That is a paraphrase of what he says, but essentially what he said. No, it was not what he said. Perhaps English is not your first language, but there is a vast difference between "other people" and "half of the audience". That's what he said. You are no longer lying--and you were, absolutely, lying.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Aug 14, 2020 14:24:56 GMT
That is a paraphrase of what he says, but essentially what he said. No, it was not what he said. Perhaps English is not your first language, but there is a vast difference between "other people" and "half of the audience". That's what he said. You are no longer lying--and you were, absolutely, lying. There is no exacting quantifiable difference between some and half; as the word “some” carries a definition of a portion of a whole - a portion that can be more than half, exactly a half, or less than half. So “half” can fit into the definition of “some”. And in a paraphrase it unquestionably can fit the definition. And we can all see that you’re an idiot playing a semantics game... trying to deny the obvious meaning of what Rian Johnson is guilty of saying, by playing a pointless semantics game. Thanks for playing, delusional troll. ROTFL!
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Post by dazz on Aug 14, 2020 14:27:39 GMT
That is a paraphrase of what he says, but essentially what he said. No, it was not what he said. Perhaps English is not your first language, but there is a vast difference between "other people" and "half of the audience". That's what he said. You are no longer lying--and you were, absolutely, lying. The only liar here is you, you stated RJ never said any of that, but really the only falsehood in Waxer-n-boil 's statement was the specificity of it not being half the audience being split, he said everything else, and even then saying he said half isn't a lie it's a misquote, assumption or embellishment, RJ doesn't specify the size of the two groups, but he does say he wants one group to love his movie the other to hate it because he want's that division in reactions, which is what this has all been about, so again the only liar is you, Waxer-n-boil is at worst guilty of embellishment, you however spoke utter lies out of your arse.
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 14, 2020 14:38:39 GMT
And we can all see that you’re an idiot playing a semantics game... trying to deny the obvious meaning of what Rian Johnson is guilty of saying, by playing a pointless semantics game. The only one playing semantic games here is you. Putting something in quotes that a person never actually said is the very definition of a lie. You people have never had any concern for truth or accuracy.
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