Fantastic Four in the MCU

Yes there is a lot of moments in those movies.  Most of it coming from characters like Nightcrawler (almost Jar Jar levels), Wolverine, and Havok.  The difference is ignoring them.  For the MCU, you guys look for them and elevate them above all else because you want a reason not to like them.

Jean could have done that from the inside.  She sacrificed herself because she knew she would become too powerful and a threat.  That's why she gave that speech through Xavier.  The way they did it was pointless.  They could have found another way for her to sacrifice herself.  Maybe having to hold back the water while inside the base instead of outside a jet where she can see the water through the windshield. 

None of those scenes were pay offs to anything.  There was no build up to Jean thinking she had to sacrifice herself.  There was no moment when she thought I'm too dangerous to live.  It was there because she "died" before becoming Phoenix in the comics and the animated series.  It was tacked on.  Same with Magneto's speech.  There was no build up to that and there was no pay-off to it in the next movie.  They didn't even acknowledge that he did anything afterward.  It's like when Mystique shot him he forgot he said that and moved on.  And what stopping nukes do you mean? The only nukes was the one on the Russian ship (that Xavier destroyed) and Shaw himself.  Do you mean the missiles the Americans and Russians launched at the beach and Xavier and Erik fighting over them?  That scene was no pay-off to anything.  It was a moment to separate Xavier and Erik.  Every review for the movie said it was a rushed ending just to get them back to status quo (Xavier in a wheelchair and Erik going bad).  Apocalypse (without Apocalypse) should have been the movie where he truly went bad.  Even though I liked the movie better than any of the other X-men movies that ending was off and shouldn't have been there.  And that killed all emotional impact.  Plus the "Mutant and Proud!" didn't help either.

Yondu had a bigger set up and pay-off in Guardians 2 than any of those movies.

I'm starting to be convinced that these guys don't retain any movie (even the ones they say they like) and rewrite it while watching it.

Yeah, I don't think he remembers the part where they shot gas at Banner and not the Hulk.  And the only person he "killed" was Blonsky.

Rogers didn't want the Sokovia Accords because it would have put a leash on them and tied them down to the government.  Making them little more than government weapons.  Something that Ross wanted from Banner and Blonsky (Ross had Banner try and recreate the Super Soldier serum that turned him into the Hulk).  They'd have to go through red tape and wait while a villain set a bomb off before they got there.

I like that he calls Rogers a tyrant when Superman was destroying entire buildings and satellites and government UAVs.  And then looking for military personnel and throwing those UAVs at them.  I think Superman killed himself in BvS because he destroyed those abandoned areas and there were no people there that could be killed in the explosions. It made him very unhappy. He destroyed Smallville's farming industry and tried to kill people in a gas station in MoS.  He also ruined people's breakfast and probably got poor Pete fired from the IHOP.  At the end of MoS he rides a bike through the streets smiling because of that new cement smell.  Means they are putting up more buildings for him to destroy.

They shot non-lethal gas at Banner to try to knock him out before he could turn into the Hulk and endanger the civilians at the university. That's what the cops often do when they have dangerous suspects cornered in a building. Rather than charge in with guns and have a shootout, they'll try to end it without any casualties by using non-lethal gas to either knock out the dangerous suspects or force them to surrender.

And talk about not retaining any of the movie and rewriting it while watching it. Blonsky wasn't the 1 that the Hulk killed. The Hulk had ripped apart an Army truck and threw the door of the Army truck at a helicopter, causing the helicopter to crash and blow up, killing the US soldiers inside the helicopter.

And since those US soldiers were killed in a fiery crash, their families wouldn't even be able to have an open casket at their funeral.  Those US soldiers were brave young men and women who were just trying to do their duty to protect civilians at the university from a dangerous monster, and the Hulk brutally slaughtered them even though they were no threat to the Hulk.

The Avengers are already tied to the government and are already government weapons. The Avengers were recruited and formed by SHIELD, a government agency. 2 of the Avengers (Black Widow and Hawkeye) even worked as assassins for the government.

Rogers didn't want the Sokovia Accords simply because he didn't want the Avengers held responsible for the deaths and collateral damage that they caused and didn't want to have to answer to the people for it. Rogers didn't agree with the Sokovia Accords because he's a tyrant who wanted the Avengers rather than the elected representatives of the people to unilaterally decide what's best for the people, the exact same way that Hitler and Stalin wanted to unilaterally decide what's best for the people.

The started firing when he was Banner, when they WERE a threat to him. So yeah, their own fault.

He kept the fighting inside the empty building while everyone else ran away. No one was in the vicinity because he kept the fight long enough before the building collapse.

No one died.

Crossbones and co would've killed people anyways if the Avengers hadn't been there to stop him, including using that bomb to cover their escape. So yeah, less people died due to their presence than if they'd done nothing.

To those who died, sad fact of life but more would've died if the Avengers hadn't been there. The Sokovia Accords wouldn't have helped in this case, just made it worse. It's perfectly reasonable to speculate on this.

Superman and Batman don't respect authority, Batman in particular doesn't. He humors the police but easily would go against them. Same with Superman.

Superman went to the Capitol because he was humoring the Government, nothing more. If he thought he was ever in any danger he wouldn't give them a second thought.

They only fired non-lethal gas at Banner, to try to knock him out before he could turn into the Hulk and endanger the civilians at the university. They never fired any bullets at Banner. And they were never any threat to the Hulk, but the Hulk slaughtered them. That's murder, not self-defense.



1st, the sudden collapse of a high-rise building doesn't just kill people inside the building. As we saw with 9/11, when a high-rise building collapses, the debris has to go somewhere. It doesn't go into the ground so it goes outward, spreading out like a circular wave from the center and wiping out everything within the vicinity of the building. So someone could be standing across the street from a high-rise building and could be killed if the high-rise building suddenly collapsed.

2nd, no one ran away. In The Incredible Hulk, when the Hulk was fighting Blonsky and slaughtering the other US soldiers, the students at the university didn't run away from the battle. Instead, they got closer the battle so they could watch the battle and take video/photos of the battle. That's what people often do when they see something unusual happening, like Iron Man and Hulk fighting in a high-rise building. They're going to get as close as they can so they can watch and take video/photo. That means instead of running away, many people are going to be standing just outside the building watching the fight (since neither Iron Man nor anyone else had set up any perimeter around the building to prevent people from getting close to the building). And those people would've been killed when the building suddenly collapsed.



Iron Man ad Hulk caused a high-rise building to suddenly collapse. High-rise buildings aren't built in the middle of nowhere. High-rise buildings are built in the downtown area. And during the daytime, there are plenty of people around in the downtown area. And the sudden collapse of a high-rise building is going to kill many of those people.



The people in the building that were killed by the bomb set off by Scarlett Witch wouldn't have been killed if the Avengers hadn't been there and recklessly chased Crossbones through a crowded market.



Is that weak excuse supposed to be a consolation to the families of the people killed by the bomb that Scarlett Witch set off? People who weren't even targeted by the bomb but were killed when Scarlett Witch redirected the bomb towards their building?



It's only speculation that more people would've died if the Avengers hadn't been there. It's perfectly reasonable to speculate that less people would've died if the Avengers hadn't been there. As you admitted, Crossbones use the bomb to cover his escape. So if the Avengers hadn't been there and recklessly chased Crossbones through a crowded market, then Crossbones might not have needed to set off a bomb as a cover to escape. But what isn't speculation is that we can say with 100% certainty that the people in the building who were killed when Scarlett Witch set off the bomb wouldn't have been killed if the Avengers hadn't been there.



Superman and Batman both respect the authority of the people and both act with the consent of the government. That's why Superman surrendered himself to the custody of the US military in MoS and that's why Superman appeared before the Senate when summoned. And Batman also acts with the consent of the GCPD. That's why the GCPD have a Batsignal. So they can call for Batman's help whenever they need assistance.

Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence: "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed". Superman and Batman both act with the consent of the government. Captain America (just like Hitler and Stalin) is a tyrant who believes that the Avengers don't need the consent of the government and believes (just like Hitler and Stalin) that they should unilaterally decide what's best for the people.

Iron Man made sure the building was free of innocents. If their fight led to deaths it would've been covered in the movie, deaths were caused when Ultron invaded that city hence Zemo's ambitious plan and Stark's change of heart after hearing that lady tell him about her son.


No, Captain America disagreed with the accords because it wouldn't allow them to help at any time, meaning if a terrorist was planning to blow up an important landmark and kill hundreds they wouldn't be able to thwart them unless the government knew about it and issued a search mission.


You seriously just compared Captain America to Hitler, I hope your happy because his creators Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, both of which were Jewish men, are rolling in their graves. If you think Rogers disagree with the accords for those reasons you are an even bigger fool than most here thought of you before. How American of you...


Dude, WTF Bucky was being mind controlled when he murdered Tony Stark's parents, he didn't act by himself HYDRA was pulling the strings the whole time. For crying out loud watch The Winter Soldier and Civil War after remembering he used to serve in WWII with Steve his mind is still groggy as hell, his memories are mostly blurs. The jury wouldn't be fair if Barnes was put on trial, they don't know him personally or know what he's been through so obviously Cap will not agree and help his best friend. Before you call Cap a "traitor" or something stupid like you normally do ask yourself if you were in his shoes what would you do? Let your best friend, who you know was being used as a puppet with a foggy mind get sentenced to prison and likely death or help them out because you know they were being abused and used as a tool for the enemy without their consent.


I confirmed nothing. Ronan didn't engage in any dancing after Quill issued the challenge, if there is only one participant and nobody else wants to play along it cannot be called a dance-off. In case you didn't notice Ronan has more screen time after Quill starts singing and dancing and the Guardians did more to stop him, but you wouldn't know would you? You don't watch Marvel movies properly - You bootleg them or go off by what others are saying.


If the missile hit without the guidance of Stark it would've killed lord knows how many civilians besides the Chitauri, and wouldn't have dented their mothership at all given that it was in a wormhole to another area of space. Stark guided the missile to the wormhole and struck the mothership which turned off the Chitauri's minds.


But on IMDb prime it was AH-Fan, and you are not doing anything differently here than you did on there so people will call you by your old alias.

Wasn't he trying to cure himself in order to eliminate the possibility of going on rampages?

Did you see Age of Ultron? Tony says

Euh , Y'all remember now thay these are movies so no-one actually died and stuff. Its all not real.

I don't think he retains any of it.