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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 13, 2017 22:21:49 GMT
The thing about the Fantastic Four's origin story is that despite gaining their unique abilities they were not too much different before or after their trip to space. Before getting their powers they were aspiring scientific explorers who acted as a family unit, and they continued this after they became fantastic.
Sure, their lives were drastically changed, but they were more or less what they were before their accident( personality wise, mostly). It's not like Spider-Man who learned that great power comes great responsibility after an act of irresponsibility lead to the death of a loved one, or Batman deciding to spend his life fighting crime after his parents were murdered by a random mugging. It's just not complicated enough to explore for a 2 hour film, and besides its already been covered before on film and in animation - most people know their origin and it can be easily summarized for newer, unfamiliar people. "We stole a rocket ship, got tangled up with cosmic radiation, and gained fantastic powers." All of that summarized in a single sentence.
A new F4 movie, especially one in the MCU, needs to go very, very big and go all out visually and try not to stay too grounded on Earth. Also don't make the mistake of having Dr. Doom be tied to their origin again, and please ditch his romantic involvement with Sue - didn't work in 2005, didn't work in 2015, don't attempt ever again.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 13, 2017 22:29:31 GMT
A new F4 movie, especially one in the MCU, needs to go very, very big and go all out visually and try not to stay too grounded on Earth. Also don't make the mistake of having Dr. Doom be tied to their origin again, and please ditch his romantic involvement with Sue - didn't work in 2005, didn't work in 2015, don't attempt ever again. The Fantastic Four aren't part of the MCU and never will be so there's never going to be a Fantastic Four movie in the MCU. Even Kevin Feige admitted that.
www.cinemablend.com/news/1658560/is-marvel-any-closer-to-adding-the-fantastic-four-kevin-feige-says-this
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Post by formersamhmd on May 13, 2017 22:31:56 GMT
A new F4 movie, especially one in the MCU, needs to go very, very big and go all out visually and try not to stay too grounded on Earth. Also don't make the mistake of having Dr. Doom be tied to their origin again, and please ditch his romantic involvement with Sue - didn't work in 2005, didn't work in 2015, don't attempt ever again. The Fantastic Four aren't part of the MCU and never will be so there's never going to be a Fantastic Four movie in the MCU. Even Kevin Feige admitted that.
www.cinemablend.com/news/1658560/is-marvel-any-closer-to-adding-the-fantastic-four-kevin-feige-says-this
For now. They'll get their property back eventually.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 13, 2017 23:15:01 GMT
Point of this thread is asking the question "IF there was a Fantastic Four movie in the MCU how should it play out", not "will it ever happen?"
As far as "never will be" is concerned, what does Fox have to benefit from holding on the movie rights if all prior installments barely brought in amazing profit to begin with? X-Men has given them lots of success, F4 has not. And a few years ago the thought of Spider-Man being in the MCU was but a dream, now its a reality.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 14, 2017 0:02:30 GMT
Point of this thread is asking the question "IF there was a Fantastic Four movie in the MCU how should it play out", not "will it ever happen?" As far as "never will be" is concerned, what does Fox have to benefit from holding on the movie rights if all prior installments barely brought in amazing profit to begin with? X-Men has given them lots of success, F4 has not. And a few years ago the thought of Spider-Man being in the MCU was but a dream, now its a reality. He's going to keep repeating that because he doesn't like fun.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 14, 2017 0:09:03 GMT
Point of this thread is asking the question "IF there was a Fantastic Four movie in the MCU how should it play out", not "will it ever happen?" As far as "never will be" is concerned, what does Fox have to benefit from holding on the movie rights if all prior installments barely brought in amazing profit to begin with? X-Men has given them lots of success, F4 has not. And a few years ago the thought of Spider-Man being in the MCU was but a dream, now its a reality. He's going to keep repeating that because he doesn't like fun. DC-Fan is a treasured member of this community. When engaging, bring doggie treats and set weapons to pacify/patronize. SaveSave
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Post by agentblue on May 14, 2017 0:12:04 GMT
Point of this thread is asking the question "IF there was a Fantastic Four movie in the MCU how should it play out", not "will it ever happen?" As far as "never will be" is concerned, what does Fox have to benefit from holding on the movie rights if all prior installments barely brought in amazing profit to begin with? X-Men has given them lots of success, F4 has not. And a few years ago the thought of Spider-Man being in the MCU was but a dream, now its a reality. He's going to keep repeating that because he doesn't like fun. Yeah that seems like it.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 7:22:47 GMT
For now. They'll get their property back eventually. listen to samhmd everyone
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 7:27:14 GMT
I heard a while back that the reason Fantastic Four 2015/Fant4stic wasn't very good was because Fox had to rush it so that they could keep the rights to the Fantastic Four. They had to shoot it within 3 years or Marvel would get the rights back. But I would rather they have took their time with Fant4stic, and not just so Marvel could get the rights back, so we could have got a good Fantastic Four movie, but in truth, that will never happen unless Marvel get the rights back.
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Post by agentblue on May 14, 2017 9:09:08 GMT
I heard a while back that the reason Fantastic Four 2015/Fant4stic wasn't very good was because Fox had to rush it so that they could keep the rights to the Fantastic Four. They had to shoot it within 3 years or Marvel would get the rights back. But I would rather they have took their time with Fant4stic, and not just so Marvel could get the rights back, so we could have got a good Fantastic Four movie, but in truth, that will never happen unless Marvel get the rights back. Yeah they had until the end of 2014 to begin production otherwise the rights would return, also they hired a man with an ego the size of canada to direct it. I remember wishing something horrible would happen and it would have been delayed indefinitely but oh well.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 9:13:22 GMT
I think the movie turned out as bad as his meltdown on set.
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Post by charzhino on May 14, 2017 9:24:16 GMT
Don't really mind if MCU take Fantastic 4 back as long as they stay a million miles away from the X-Men property. I would actually look forward to seeing F4 under Feige since I think they could do a good job with Galactus.
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Post by agentblue on May 14, 2017 9:25:58 GMT
Don't really mind if MCU take Fantastic 4 back as long as they stay a million miles away from the X-Men property. I would actually look forward to seeing F4 under Feige since I think they could do a good job with Galactus. Yeah thats what sucks about it all everyone knows Marvel would do wonders with the property but we are stuck wondering because stupid Fox has the rights.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 14, 2017 13:34:17 GMT
Don't really mind if MCU take Fantastic 4 back as long as they stay a million miles away from the X-Men property. I would actually look forward to seeing F4 under Feige since I think they could do a good job with Galactus. In the MCU, the X-Men would actually be good at their jobs of advancing Human/Mutant Relations instead of the utter incompetents they are at FOX.
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Post by charzhino on May 14, 2017 14:12:53 GMT
In the MCU, the X-Men would actually be good at their jobs of advancing Human/Mutant Relations instead of the utter incompetents they are at FOX. Nope. In the MCU they would be clones of the Avengers doing constant quips, one ups, one liners and ultimately laughing whilst saving the day from a weak villain.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 14, 2017 14:51:54 GMT
In the MCU, the X-Men would actually be good at their jobs of advancing Human/Mutant Relations instead of the utter incompetents they are at FOX. Nope. In the MCU they would be clones of the Avengers doing constant quips, one ups, one liners and ultimately laughing whilst saving the day from a weak villain. What part of the Avengers were they laughing while fighting the villains? What part of the X-men movies were they not using quips and one-liners? What part of X-men isn't fun and adventurous? When did Fox change what X-men really is? Did they erase all of the X-men's history except for the serious, depressing stories?
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Post by formersamhmd on May 14, 2017 15:09:08 GMT
In the MCU, the X-Men would actually be good at their jobs of advancing Human/Mutant Relations instead of the utter incompetents they are at FOX. Nope. In the MCU they would be clones of the Avengers doing constant quips, one ups, one liners and ultimately laughing whilst saving the day from a weak villain. Doesn't sound much different from how the FoX-Men are done. Except in the MCU they'd focus more on the X-Men instead of Wolverine and Xavier, and they wouldn't keep bringing up the Holocaust references and they'd move past that overused "Registration Act" nonsense. Essentially, you're saying you DON'T want the X-Men to act the way they traditionally always have acted in the comics.
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Post by charzhino on May 14, 2017 15:34:01 GMT
What part of the Avengers were they laughing while fighting the villains? What part of the X-men movies were they not using quips and one-liners? What part of X-men isn't fun and adventurous? When did Fox change what X-men really is? Did they erase all of the X-men's history except for the serious, depressing stories? They laugh and joke around in the first Avengers and Age of Ultron. Compare those finale fight sequences with the ones in X2, DOFP and First Class and count the number of quips, one liners and moments of levity. The difference in night and day.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 14, 2017 15:44:32 GMT
They laugh and joke around in the first Avengers and Age of Ultron. Compare those finale fight sequences with the ones in X2, DOFP and First Class and count the number of quips, one liners and moments of levity. The difference in night and day. They laughed and joked around in Avengers 1 after the battle was over and they'd won, which is what victors usually do after a successful mission. And in AOU it's a defense mechanism people do called "Gallow's Humor". It happens in real wars. X2? The one where Magneto made fun of Rogue's hair? The one where Jean inexplicably decided she had to stay outside the jet for no reason to stop the water? The one where Logan went "Holy Shit" when he saw Deathstrike's talons? First Class? Where Magneto once again refused to take any responsibility for his actions? The one where he decides to become a Mutant Nazi and we're meant to cheer with him? DOFP, where Xavier chose to become an accessory to terrorism instead of giving Erik the death he so rightfully deserved? The one with the silly fairytale ending? Those movies, where they try for drama but their attempts fall apart when you think about it?
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Post by charzhino on May 14, 2017 15:45:12 GMT
Doesn't sound much different from how the FoX-Men are done. Except in the MCU they'd focus more on the X-Men instead of Wolverine and Xavier, and they wouldn't keep bringing up the Holocaust references and they'd move past that overused "Registration Act" nonsense. Essentially, you're saying you DON'T want the X-Men to act the way they traditionally always have acted in the comics. The DOFP and Age of Apocalypse comics have no such thing apart from Wolverines running levity.
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