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Post by twothousandonemark on May 4, 2017 1:15:35 GMT
Not much of a discussion, I just wanted to point out my fav Stark moments from the Avengers films (+ Civil War), tied with RDJ's great acting to add gravitas.
The Avengers - upon Tony's return to Stark Tower to confront Loki. From disengaging his suit outside walking in, Tony looks like he's finally having to face the fact that every single thing he's known to date about himself, SHIELD, & the fate of his Iron Man self will never ever be the same again. He's going from being Iron Man as hero hobby + R&D specialist, to being forced into Avengers' duty & action. He looks deflated & he looks pissed. I think RDJ nailed that. Asking Loki 'You want a drink? I'm having one.' with such disdain; he'd literally rather be anywhere else in time & place than where he is then & there, having to deal with the mess & his role in solving it.
Age of Ultron - Ultron's awakening, crashing the party. I LOVE RDJ's split second reaction, he as Stark quick flipping his mobile to see wtf is going on & why is this happening now with all his team in the same room, when he's not next to nearly close to unveiling his Ultron plans (his stumbling off guard reaction visual of it makes me laugh so hard every time). Thrown into the deep end by Ultron himself, Tony looks yet again like omg wtf now?!? Chased that moment later on during Vision's origin, Rogers walking in 'I'm only going to say this once.' 'How about nunce!?!'. RDJ as Stark nailing it.
Civil War - during Ross' deliberation regarding the UN's plans. Following the footage of the battles, & after Ross pounces back on Rogers 'Tell me, Captain, do you know where Thor and Banner are right now? 'Cause you can bet if I misplaced a couple of 30 megaton warheads, there'd be consequences.' Ross isn't wrong, & pointing that out with Tony deliberately quiet rocking in his chair behind everyone lands the drama for me perfectly. Again, Tony wants the out, he wants the Avengers & superhero'ing to be tamed a bit from where it's reached. RDJ's non verbals during that entire scene is awesome, & of course his blow up at the compound later shows his true cards.
3 little moments, they tie so much together of the MCU for me brilliantly.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 4, 2017 15:26:17 GMT
RDJ has certainly been the shining star of the MCU movies.
I read somewhere someone joked that Tony Stark is slowly suffering a mental breakdown and none of his friends notice.
It all started with his being taken captive in Ironman 1. He clearly suffered from PTSD as he completely restructured his company. Imagine if Bill Gates suddenly decided his company doesn't make computers anymore after suffering a traumatic event. People would rightly think something was wrong. Tony decides to put on a suit and dive into more dangerous situations.
Then in Ironman II, he becomes even more reckless as he thinks he's dying. Another cause for concern.
In Avengers he faces another PTSD moment when he nearly dies in space which carries over to Ironman III as he builds an entire legion of suits. He destroys the suits saying he doesn't need them.
But in Age of Ultron, we see he's not only got his Iron Legion, but he's working on Ultron, a peace keeping program designed to isolate the earth. "A suit of armor around the whole planet."
Of course, when this backfires on him, and along with his break up with Pepper, Tony once again decides fix things with one big gesture. And even going to war against his friends and locking them up to do it.
Then once that goes to hell, he turns his back on Ross and the very people he was just working with.
This is not a stable man. He really has one of the most intriguing character arcs. He's the only one who's story spans his own trilogy, into the Avengers crossovers, and even into other characters' films.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 17:47:57 GMT
RDJ has certainly been the shining star of the MCU movies. I read somewhere someone joked that Tony Stark is slowly suffering a mental breakdown and none of his friends notice. It all started with his being taken captive in Ironman 1. He clearly suffered from PTSD as he completely restructured his company. Imagine if Bill Gates suddenly decided his company doesn't make computers anymore after suffering a traumatic event. People would rightly think something was wrong. Tony decides to put on a suit and dive into more dangerous situations. Then in Ironman II, he becomes even more reckless as he thinks he's dying. Another cause for concern. In Avengers he faces another PTSD moment when he nearly dies in space which carries over to Ironman III as he builds an entire legion of suits. He destroys the suits saying he doesn't need them. But in Age of Ultron, we see he's not only got his Iron Legion, but he's working on Ultron, a peace keeping program designed to isolate the earth. "A suit of armor around the whole planet." Of course, when this backfires on him, and along with his break up with Pepper, Tony once again decides fix things with one big gesture. And even going to war against his friends and locking them up to do it. Then once that goes to hell, he turns his back on Ross and the very people he was just working with. This is not a stable man. He really has one of the most intriguing character arcs. He's the only one who's story spans his own trilogy, into the Avengers crossovers, and even into other characters' films. Pretty much. Right now, I'm very interested to see how they conclude his story in Infinity Wars. Will the man finally find peace or finally self-destruct the way he's set himself up to do.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 4, 2017 19:33:32 GMT
I think a beautiful finale would be if he and Steve sacrificed themselves to save everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 19:57:23 GMT
I think a beautiful finale would be if he and Steve sacrificed themselves to save everyone else. I'm honestly torn on this. On one hand, I'd love to see Tony just retire and ride off into the sunset with Pepper in tow. On the other hand, you are absolutely right. It would be poignant.
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Post by Jerk on May 4, 2017 20:54:51 GMT
RDJ has certainly been the shining star of the MCU movies. I read somewhere someone joked that Tony Stark is slowly suffering a mental breakdown and none of his friends notice. It all started with his being taken captive in Ironman 1. He clearly suffered from PTSD as he completely restructured his company. Imagine if Bill Gates suddenly decided his company doesn't make computers anymore after suffering a traumatic event. People would rightly think something was wrong. Tony decides to put on a suit and dive into more dangerous situations. Then in Ironman II, he becomes even more reckless as he thinks he's dying. Another cause for concern. In Avengers he faces another PTSD moment when he nearly dies in space which carries over to Ironman III as he builds an entire legion of suits. He destroys the suits saying he doesn't need them. But in Age of Ultron, we see he's not only got his Iron Legion, but he's working on Ultron, a peace keeping program designed to isolate the earth. "A suit of armor around the whole planet." Of course, when this backfires on him, and along with his break up with Pepper, Tony once again decides fix things with one big gesture. And even going to war against his friends and locking them up to do it. Then once that goes to hell, he turns his back on Ross and the very people he was just working with. This is not a stable man. He really has one of the most intriguing character arcs. He's the only one who's story spans his own trilogy, into the Avengers crossovers, and even into other characters' films. It would be cool if the mcu did an origianl story of Starks breakdown into maddness. It would set a president for content and how to adapt the comics further than they have gone before.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 5, 2017 4:11:52 GMT
Tony Stark in actual 616 was Bruce Wayne without the heart, wit, guile, or likeability. Tony Stark in the movies is just RDJ in an Iron Man costume.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 5, 2017 13:02:01 GMT
Tony Stark in actual 616 was Bruce Wayne as a character rather than an archetype. Fixed, .
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 5, 2017 13:59:46 GMT
Tony Stark in actual 616 was Bruce Wayne as a character rather than an archetype. Fixed, . Not really, for real. I never really saw him as multidimensional in any way, and nowhere near as complex as Bruce. There're plenty of multifaceted characters in 616, but he's not one of them really. He's fairly one-note. Prolly the least interesting (personally) of the 616 Avengers.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 5, 2017 14:23:21 GMT
Fixed, . Not really, for real. I never really saw him as multidimensional in any way, and nowhere near as complex as Bruce. There're plenty of multifaceted characters in 616, but he's not one of them really. He's fairly one-note. Prolly the least interesting (personally) of the 616 Avengers. Bruce simply has the long print history, that's all. He's always been more archetype than character. There's little complexity to him. Tony was the first major example of them taking the well-worn "High Class Guy who fights crime" thing and actually thinking "Wait, what if instead of pretending to be a fop he really WAS a fop and had to grow from this?" Batman would benefit from that kind of characterization.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 14:59:49 GMT
Fixed, . Not really, for real. I never really saw him as multidimensional in any way, and nowhere near as complex as Bruce. There're plenty of multifaceted characters in 616, but he's not one of them really. He's fairly one-note. Prolly the least interesting (personally) of the 616 Avengers. You must be new to this... Demon in a Bottle changed all you can do with a character in Comics. Bruce Wayne has been the same all his run. Except when Bane broke his back. And when a Robin gets killed... LOL but those are a dime a dozen.
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