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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 17, 2020 21:46:34 GMT
So what is your point you are trying to make, one minutre you are whining like abitch over this isn't what cap is like, he doesn't chop wood or talk treaties he fights da baddies waaaahaaa, next minute you are like YES this is Superman not acting Superman like, look who thought Superman would beat up a rando bully fucking excellent, do you want the iconic "true" representations or not? I didn't say a superhero film couldn't surprise. I said the actual superhero genre is so limited that it would have to become something else to have surprises. and guess what? This example proves my point since you are complaining that it was un-superheroic for Superman to beat up the guy. I said they did it because it was more dramatic than having Superman give a lecture to show the kids he was ok with it. Standing up to a bully was more interesting than having him give the guy a lecture.
But would a classic superhero advise little Steve Rogers to just take his lickings? Probably not.
I rest my case.
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Post by dazz on Sept 18, 2020 9:06:43 GMT
So what is your point you are trying to make, one minutre you are whining like abitch over this isn't what cap is like, he doesn't chop wood or talk treaties he fights da baddies waaaahaaa, next minute you are like YES this is Superman not acting Superman like, look who thought Superman would beat up a rando bully fucking excellent, do you want the iconic "true" representations or not? I didn't say a superhero film couldn't surprise. I said the actual superhero genre is so limited that it would have to become something else to have surprises. and guess what? This example proves my point since you are complaining that it was un-superheroic for Superman to beat up the guy. I said they did it because it was more dramatic than having Superman give a lecture to show the kids he was ok with it. Standing up to a bully was more interesting than having him give the guy a lecture.
But would a classic superhero advise little Steve Rogers to just take his lickings? Probably not.
I rest my case.
So again ignoring my point, that does nothing Superman "standing" up to the bully as Clark the way he did was just bullying in his own right, could have shown him up in other ways as either superman or Clark, instead he chooses to humiliate him as a combination of both, which is also fucking stupid character wise, I mean wow this guy who kinda looks like Superman get beat up by this bully just when Superman disappeared, then when Superman came back this guy came back despite NO physical differences to behold suddenly can tank this guys best shot and throw him around like a rag doll, gee I wonder if there is a connection? And again you go on about a lecture, you are the only one thinking that way, there's a number of ways Clark could deal with the idiot to make his point and not need to be the idiot he was or give him a lecture like you say, which I said but you ignored because again you are too full of shit to do so. And no a classic superhero wouldn't tell Steve to take his lickings, but they also wouldn't tell Steve to use his super powers to get revenge and settle petty grievances for his own amusement either, see there's a difference between standing up for yourself and becoming the arsehole yourself, Clark didn't stand up for himself, he was an arsehole, which is not the classic superhero or Superman perception. And you ignore my other point DESPITE it being what you quoted you fucking imbecile, you are crying about this isn't Cap he isn't being heroic one minute because of a 3 minute talking scene, yet you are creaming your knickers over this 2-3 minute scene of Superman being petty despite it going against the ideals Superman stands for, so make up your mind, "accurate" portrayals of the heroes or not, you flip flopping fuckwit.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 18, 2020 15:45:09 GMT
You said nothing of consequence therefore I rest my case.
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Post by dazz on Sept 18, 2020 18:03:17 GMT
You said nothing of consequence therefore I rest my case. Ah too stupid to make a valid argument and too much of a pussy to admit to it, why am I not surprised?
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 18, 2020 18:04:59 GMT
Ah too stupid to make a valid argument and too much of a pussy to admit to it, why am I not surprised? You said nothing of consequence therefore I rest my case..on your flat head.
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Post by dazz on Sept 18, 2020 18:16:27 GMT
Ah too stupid to make a valid argument and too much of a pussy to admit to it, why am I not surprised? You said nothing of consequence therefore I rest my case..on your flat head. Were two jackasses arguing on the internet you moron nothing we say is of consequence therefor you should never say anything to anyone, you dipshit, and atleast I don't need to constantly switch goalpost, misquote or lie to try and make a point like your demented little rat shit of a brain has to rely on, anyways later cocksleave I have better things to do with my time than converse with you further, like scratch a pimple on my arse cheek.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 18, 2020 18:49:13 GMT
I'll be back for my case later. The flatness of your head provides a perfect balance for it. I trust it will be safe.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Sept 18, 2020 18:59:30 GMT
You’re a ridiculously annoying piece of shit, Prime, shut the fuck up.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 21, 2020 13:07:07 GMT
You clearly have no clue what wimpy means so stop using it, you sound ridiculous, and no actually seeing superheroes doing for mundane things simply shows their super heroism in a greater light, as for what's more impressive well depends on the context, Smallville used regular chores as a way to highlight Clark's super powers, whilst Jonathan struggled with a single sack of grain over his shoulder Clark would be carrying a bag in each hand like they were couch cushions, rather than need to hammer posts into the ground with an actual hammer he would simply pick them up and do so in a single motion by hand, where as he would often need to save people in less impressive fashion in public to avoid unwanted attention being drawn to his abilities, so yeah context makes a difference. Also if superheroes are only ever shown doing superheroics then they aren't interesting or impressive they are just the norm, giving them down time where their human side can be seen not just their superhuman side allows you to connect to the characters more, that's why movies that lack those scenes to ever humanize their heroes are often forgotten about. Superheroes are often erroneously compared to mythological figures but if we assume it for the sake of argument--how many times was Hercules shown hauling grain sacks around?
One of Hercules' labors was literally cleaning a stable full of poop. So you're wrong again.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 21, 2020 17:39:44 GMT
One of Hercules' labors was literally cleaning a stable full of poop. So you're wrong again. As we said with the woman's chores, that never gets highlighted in the peplum movies. Why? It isn't heroic enough for regular audiences.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Sept 21, 2020 18:30:39 GMT
One of Hercules' labors was literally cleaning a stable full of poop. So you're wrong again. As we said with the woman's chores, that never gets highlighted in the peplum movies. Why? It isn't heroic enough for regular audiences.
Well the box office proves that "regular audiences" don't have a problem with the MCU.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 21, 2020 18:42:24 GMT
One of Hercules' labors was literally cleaning a stable full of poop. So you're wrong again. As we said with the woman's chores, that never gets highlighted in the peplum movies. Why? It isn't heroic enough for regular audiences.
Irrelevant. You brought up Hercules as a hero. Hercules did chores, so chores are not wimpy.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 21, 2020 18:48:55 GMT
Irrelevant. You brought up Hercules as a hero. Hercules did chores, so chores are not wimpy. Relevant. If anyone knows Hercules it is the Italians and they didn't feel Steve Reeves (or audiences) would benefit from those depictions in the many films they made (including comedic ones). As I said, if you can make a compelling case why western audiences want to know about Tony Stark's armor-plated washroom then be my guest, but I don't think you can.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Sept 21, 2020 18:57:45 GMT
Irrelevant. You brought up Hercules as a hero. Hercules did chores, so chores are not wimpy. Relevant. If anyone knows Hercules it is the Italians and they didn't feel Steve Reeves (or audiences) would benefit from those depictions in the many films they made (including comedic ones). As I said, if you can make a compelling case why western audiences want to know about Tony Stark's armor-plated washroom then be my guest, but I don't think you can.
Western audiences saw the movie and kept coming back for more to the tune of billions of dollars so obviously they liked what they saw and were able to put the scene in question into context. Something that you appear incapable of.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 21, 2020 18:58:12 GMT
Irrelevant. You brought up Hercules as a hero. Hercules did chores, so chores are not wimpy. Relevant. If anyone knows Hercules it is the Italians and they didn't feel Steve Reeves (or audiences) would benefit from those depictions in the many films they made (including comedic ones). As I said, if you can make a compelling case why western audiences want to know about Tony Stark's armor-plated washroom then be my guest, but I don't think you can.
Nope, irrelevant. You were wrong again. Everything you've said has been wrong. Whether you like it or not, MCU has surprised many times. That's just a fact.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 21, 2020 18:59:52 GMT
Nope, irrelevant. You were wrong again. Everything you've said has been wrong. Whether you like it or not, MCU has surprised many times. That's just a fact.
I knew you couldn't.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 21, 2020 20:19:23 GMT
Nope, irrelevant. You were wrong again. Everything you've said has been wrong. Whether you like it or not, MCU has surprised many times. That's just a fact.
I knew you couldn't.
You are a sad, strange little man. And you have my pity.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 21, 2020 20:32:52 GMT
You are a sad, strange little man. And you have my pity. No need. I don't take the subject as seriously as some others here. I only pointed out in agreement with one comment that a superhero story is limited in its capacity to surprise since the exploits of a super being cannot generate suspense easily, especially as it originates as a juvenile fantasy medium. The films that are highlighted for their surprise factor are those that either were first out the gate or made dramatic changes that took them away from the source genre. But, for some reason me pointing out that Iron Man's underwear confessions not being sophisticated rubbed people the wrong way. I don't know why there is such a desire to defend that scene but I do not lose sleep over it.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 21, 2020 20:40:20 GMT
You are a sad, strange little man. And you have my pity. No need. I don't take the subject as seriously as some others here. I only pointed out in agreement with one comment that a superhero story is limited in its capacity to surprise since the exploits of a super being cannot generate suspense easily, especially as it originates as a juvenile fantasy medium. The films that are highlighted for their surprise factor are those that either were first out the gate or made dramatic changes that took them away from the source genre. But, for some reason me pointing out that Iron Man's underwear confessions not being sophisticated rubbed people the wrong way. I don't know why there is such a desire to defend that scene but I do not lose sleep over it.
Trust me: you've earned it.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 21, 2020 20:43:11 GMT
Trust me: you've earned it. Yes I agree. I am very patient with some people and their eccentric ideas. lol
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