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Post by onethreetwo on Aug 23, 2020 22:40:50 GMT
Is Bruce Willis getting a pass for all the straight to video garbage he's done over the last several years?
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Post by ck100 on Aug 23, 2020 22:42:05 GMT
Well De Niro has done some direct to DVD junk and he's still revered.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 23, 2020 22:53:02 GMT
I don't know what you mean by that.
How is Bruce Willis getting a pass any more than Nicolas Cage for example?
Bruce Willis hasn't had a Mandy or a Joe in between his DTV movies. He had a cameo in Motherless Brooklyn last year, but that is the best I can say about his career at the moment.
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Post by Marv on Aug 23, 2020 22:55:31 GMT
Whats to pass? The newest Bruce Willis film ive seen was probably one of the Expendables films.
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Post by onethreetwo on Aug 23, 2020 22:55:57 GMT
Well De Niro has done some direct to DVD junk and he's still revered. I mean he seems to be taking everything that's thrown at him. Nic Cage does that and he's a joke. Willis seems to be doing the same but I never see him mentioned in that conversation. |
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 23, 2020 22:58:29 GMT
Well De Niro has done some direct to DVD junk and he's still revered. I mean he seems to be taking everything that's thrown at him. Nic Cage does that and he's a joke. Willis seems to be doing the same but I never see him mentioned in that conversation. That is because his career was on the downfall way before he went DTV, whereas Nicolas Cage is an Oscar winner who was making good movies almost right up to the point where he went DTV. He was nominated for an Oscar just 4 years earlier. People love to make a joke of Nicolas Cage because of the wasted talent I think. That is why when a Mandy or a Joe come out fans are very excited and he usually turns in a memorable performance that people love.
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Post by onethreetwo on Aug 23, 2020 23:01:16 GMT
I mean he seems to be taking everything that's thrown at him. Nic Cage does that and he's a joke. Willis seems to be doing the same but I never see him mentioned in that conversation. That is because his career was on the downfall way before he went DTV, whereas Nicolas Cage is an Oscar winner who was making good movies right up to the point where he went DTV. People love to make a joke of Nicolas Cage because of the wasted talent I think. That is why when a Mandy or Joe come out fans are very excited. Interesting point. I hadn't thought about it that way. Willis is an action movie living legend, but he was never considered a particularly great actor. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 23, 2020 23:01:56 GMT
Willis is a fun actor but was he ever really "taken seriously"?
Has he ever taken himself seriously ?
How is direct to dvd any different than working on TV .... prestige wise ?
After all, a paycheck is a paycheck and he's probably never going to be an Oscar Nominated / winning actor so work when the work is offered.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 23, 2020 23:05:04 GMT
That is because his career was on the downfall way before he went DTV, whereas Nicolas Cage is an Oscar winner who was making good movies right up to the point where he went DTV. People love to make a joke of Nicolas Cage because of the wasted talent I think. That is why when a Mandy or Joe come out fans are very excited. Interesting point. I hadn't thought about it that way. Willis is an action movie living legend, but he was never considered a particularly great actor. This is coming from a huge fan of Nicolas Cage btw. I still watch his DTV movies and he usually is putting in the effort. It is remarkable really. Bruce Willis really hasn't been relevant since Armageddon imo.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 23, 2020 23:06:21 GMT
Willis is a fun actor but was he ever really "taken seriously"? Has he ever taken himself seriously ? How is direct to dvd any different than working on TV .... prestige wise ? After all, a paycheck is a paycheck and he's probably never going to be an Oscar Nominated / winning actor so work when the work is offered. It depends what you mean by that. DTV movies on average tend to be bad and are considered the lowest form of the medium. That isn't generally the case with TV.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 23, 2020 23:13:11 GMT
moviemouth I tend to not watch new movies DTV or otherwise or TV so will take your word about the quality ... I was thinking more about the prestige of regular series tv vs quality feature films. Willis ... imo his best role was in IN COUNTRY a neglected film about a PTSD vet taking a trip to the Viet Nam Memorial in DC. He got a golden globe nom for it ... they called it supporting but he was the lead 
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Post by politicidal on Aug 23, 2020 23:14:06 GMT
Willis is a fun actor but was he ever really "taken seriously"? Has he ever taken himself seriously ? How is direct to dvd any different than working on TV .... prestige wise ? After all, a paycheck is a paycheck and he's probably never going to be an Oscar Nominated / winning actor so work when the work is offered. I’d say that there was a time when Willis was choosing projects more carefully. Stuff like Pulp Fiction or Twelve Monkeys or The Sixth Sense. His performances in Looper and Moonrise Kingdom were far removed from stuff like Die Hard 4.0 or The Expendables 2. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 23, 2020 23:16:02 GMT
politicidal Sixth Sense ... I neglected to mention that ... my #2 Willis feature fav .
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Post by politicidal on Aug 23, 2020 23:16:35 GMT
politicidal Sixth Sense ... I neglected to mention that ... my #2 Willis feature fav . Still hadn’t seen it yet. *shrugs* |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 23, 2020 23:18:21 GMT
politicidalIt's one with a twist that is best seen without knowing the "secret" and then watch it again right away ! It's pretty good.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 23, 2020 23:19:52 GMT
moviemouth I tend to not watch new movies DTV or otherwise or TV so will take your word about the quality ... I was thinking more about the prestige of regular series tv vs quality feature films. Willis ... imo his best role was in IN COUNTRY a neglected film about a PTSD vet taking a trip to the Viet Nam Memorial in DC. He got a golden globe nom for it ... they called it supporting but he was the lead I've seen it and he is very good. I consider him supporting and wouldn't have minded him getting a nomination. Shows like Breaking Bad are considered better than most modern movies. There is great TV and bad TV, in the same way there are great theatrical films and bad theatrical films. These shows have actors giving the best of the best performances. I have watched a lot of DTV movies and very few of them are good. Many of them are some of the worst crap you could ever witness. Many star nobodys who can't act their way out of a paper bag. Those are the very bottom of the barrel though. The best DTV movies tend to be no better than just okay imo.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 23, 2020 23:22:07 GMT
politicidal Sixth Sense ... I neglected to mention that ... my #2 Willis feature fav . I take back what I said. He hasn't been take seriously since Unbreakable probably. His decline was much more steady than that of Nicolas Cage or Val Kilmer etc.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Aug 23, 2020 23:46:19 GMT
Willis is a fun actor but was he ever really "taken seriously"? Has he ever taken himself seriously ? How is direct to dvd any different than working on TV .... prestige wise ? After all, a paycheck is a paycheck and he's probably never going to be an Oscar Nominated / winning actor so work when the work is offered. I’d say that there was a time when Willis was choosing projects more carefully. Stuff like Pulp Fiction or Twelve Monkeys or The Sixth Sense. His performances in Looper and Moonrise Kingdom were far removed from stuff like Die Hard 4.0 or The Expendables 2. "12 Monkeys" is one of my favorites, though a bit disturbing to watch right now, since the subject is a worldwide pandemic that kills most of the human race. But Bruce acted in that; not his usual action stuff, and you get to see a young Brad Pitt chew the scenery as a schizophrenic. A 1995 Terry Gilliam movie, truly unique. www.imdb.com/title/tt0114746/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
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Post by twothousandonemark on Aug 23, 2020 23:47:23 GMT
His highs help alleviate it for me.
Die Hard, Moonrise Kingdom, Pulp Fiction, The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable.
He was a tv then action movie star. The rest has been gravy. A DeNiro in the junk bin with 50 Cent is more of a cliff dive.
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Post by theravenking on Aug 24, 2020 1:01:36 GMT
Willis can still pull in the occasional high-profile role like in Glass or the Death Wish remake (although I've no idea why he was cast in the latter, since he seemed entirely wrong for the role).
There are some directors like Terry Gilliam, Shyamalan or Rian Johnson who seem to be able to bring out the best in him, but more often than not he gives the impression of not giving a damn about anything. This was particularly obvious in the last Die Hard movie where he gave such a lazy performance that his stunt double would've been capable of doing a better acting job.
Nicolas Cage on the other hand at least seems to be enjoying himself, often trying to elevate the material he's given.
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