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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 25, 2020 20:38:47 GMT
Not only are we getting a Batman movie not set in the DCEU, but we’re supposed to be getting both Ben Affleck and Michael Keaton’s Batmen in that Flash movie. Meanwhile, there still hasn’t been any word on if there will be another Superman movie anytime soon, let alone whether or not Henry Cavill is coming back.
On top of that, there’s also a Batfamily game coming out next year, while Superman is apparently going to be stuck serving as a bad guy (again) for that Suicide Squad game. To add insult to injury, Rocksteady apparently wanted to make a Superman game, but WB shot that idea down, and told them to make a Suicide Squad game instead.
Outside of that animated movie that just came out a couple of days ago, it’s really not a great time to be a Superman fan, is it?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 25, 2020 21:18:38 GMT
Not only are we getting a Batman movie not set in the DCEU, but we’re supposed to be getting both Ben Affleck and Michael Keaton’s Batmen in that Flash movie. Meanwhile, there still hasn’t been any word on if there will be another Superman movie anytime soon, let alone whether or not Henry Cavill is coming back. On top of that, there’s also a Batfamily game coming out next year, while Superman is apparently going to be stuck serving as a bad guy (again) for that Suicide Squad game. To add insult to injury, Rocksteady apparently wanted to make a Superman game, but WB shot that idea down, and told them to make a Suicide Squad game instead. Outside of that animated movie that just came out a couple of days ago, it’s really not a great time to be a Superman fan, is it? ^^^THIS^^^
And the idea that Superman becomes a villain is because he's so powerful. That's all. "Power corrupts so Superman must become a villain". Nonsense.
What that notion doesn't take into account is his strength of character and his upbringing. He's literally been molded by forces far more powerful than any super powers (love, being raised right, lessons of justice) to be a good person. He had great parents and a great upbringing, and then he finds out he has other biological parents and they turn out to be good too! Which reinforces the good in his life. Superman is just a good person.
Which makes him boring to some. So how do you make him interesting? Make him evil.
But if anyone would become evil, with all the violence in his life and all the darkness he's constantly surrounded by, its Batman. He may not have super powers, but he does have power- as Bruce Wayne he controls quite a bit of financial power and political influence. We've all seen what regular men have done with less in the real world. Not to mention the storyline where Batman figured out to defeat all the Justice League members. And the Batman Who Laughs.
He's driven by impulses of rage and darkness. If you really look into it he psychologically unsound. Now, to be sure, that makes him very interesting as a character. But it's Batman we should be scared of becoming evil.
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 25, 2020 21:33:02 GMT
They've got a perfect actor in Cavill for this character and they aren't taking advantage of him--and he's eager to jump in the role again, any time!
I don't even like Superman as a character and this is pissing me off. Just don't understand it.
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Post by northernlad on Aug 25, 2020 22:46:29 GMT
Superman is definitely getting slighted here. Man of Steel was not a flop by any means. I have to believe something will be in the works soon...and hopefully with Cavill.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 26, 2020 13:29:03 GMT
Superman is definitely getting slighted here. Man of Steel was not a flop by any means. I have to believe something will be in the works soon...and hopefully with Cavill. Hard to be hopeful. WB has always been superstitious and ignore characters if their movies flop. Hell, they did it to Batman for almost a decade.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 26, 2020 16:27:24 GMT
Superman is definitely getting slighted here. Man of Steel was not a flop by any means. I have to believe something will be in the works soon...and hopefully with Cavill. Hard to be hopeful. WB has always been superstitious and ignore characters if their movies flop. Hell, they did it to Batman for almost a decade. You're right. Except for two details- 1) Man of Steel was not a flop. Sure, they were hoping for a much bigger hit, but flop it was not. 2) And more importantly, it wasn't Cavill's fault, nor Supermans, that the movie wasn't everything they wanted it to be. It was Zack Snyders fault.
Its Snyders take on the character, and his tone and style of filmmaking, that made that movie less than stellar (I would've liked to see a Batman solo movie by him instead. IMO all the Batman stuff in BvS was awesome).
Superman + Cavill + Another, better director = Better Superman movie. Period.
Personally I actually liked MOS as is, and I'm very happy that Snyder is getting his Justice League Cut (which I'm excited for), but I can see how MOS was not for everyone.
Just get a better director, make a good movie, and move on with the franchise. We could have had at least one sequel by now, maybe even two!
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Post by politicidal on Aug 26, 2020 16:53:07 GMT
Hard to be hopeful. WB has always been superstitious and ignore characters if their movies flop. Hell, they did it to Batman for almost a decade. You're right. Except for two details- 1) Man of Steel was not a flop. Sure, they were hoping for a much bigger hit, but flop it was not. 2) And more importantly, it wasn't Cavill's fault, nor Supermans, that the movie wasn't everything they wanted it to be. It was Zack Snyders fault.
Its Snyders take on the character, and his tone and style of filmmaking, that made that movie less than stellar (I would've liked to see a Batman solo movie by him instead. IMO all the Batman stuff in BvS was awesome).
Superman + Cavill + Another, better director = Better Superman movie. Period.
Personally I actually liked MOS as is, and I'm very happy that Snyder is getting his Justice League Cut (which I'm excited for), but I can see how MOS was not for everyone.
Just get a better director, make a good movie, and move on with the franchise. We could have had at least one sequel by now, maybe even two!
Perhaps I should had specified, I was referring more to Justice League and the BVS backlash. Hell, I'm a MoS fan myself and if all this trouble was gonna happen I'd rather we got a solo trilogy. But 20/20 I guess.
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Post by scabab on Aug 26, 2020 17:46:55 GMT
The whole organisation of this DCEU has been a complete mess.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 26, 2020 20:30:34 GMT
The whole organisation of this DCEU has been a complete mess. I just kind of wish they could actually commit to keeping Batman out of the DCEU moving forward.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Aug 27, 2020 2:13:52 GMT
I'm of the honest belief that there hasn't been a good Superman movie since Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut. The Superman franchise is a difficult one to get right and to date Donner is the only man who has successfully managed to accomplish this - on the big screen, at least. Though I do have a soft spot for Superman III.
Batman has been well realised by a variety of film-makers on numerous occasion already. Matt Reeves' new film looks spectacular from what I've seen thus far. It's just easier to get the Batman universe right. That said, I'm not sold on the idea of the shared DC Expanded Universe. I'd prefer they stuck with Batman as a standalone franchise for the most part - though I'm willing to make an exception if it means getting Keaton back.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 27, 2020 17:45:25 GMT
You're right. Except for two details- 1) Man of Steel was not a flop. Sure, they were hoping for a much bigger hit, but flop it was not. 2) And more importantly, it wasn't Cavill's fault, nor Supermans, that the movie wasn't everything they wanted it to be. It was Zack Snyders fault.
Its Snyders take on the character, and his tone and style of filmmaking, that made that movie less than stellar (I would've liked to see a Batman solo movie by him instead. IMO all the Batman stuff in BvS was awesome).
Superman + Cavill + Another, better director = Better Superman movie. Period.
Personally I actually liked MOS as is, and I'm very happy that Snyder is getting his Justice League Cut (which I'm excited for), but I can see how MOS was not for everyone.
Just get a better director, make a good movie, and move on with the franchise. We could have had at least one sequel by now, maybe even two!
Perhaps I should had specified, I was referring more to Justice League and the BVS backlash. Hell, I'm a MoS fan myself and if all this trouble was gonna happen I'd rather we got a solo trilogy. But 20/20 I guess. Yeah, they were trying to go a different way than Marvel, but instead they should've just followed their mold. There was no need to reinvent the wheel. We should've gotten a few solo movies in the same universe before they did Justice League. At least MOS, Batman 1 and Wonder Woman 1 before JL. Instead now we have a disparate "multiverse" that offers some good movies, some bad movies, and no cohesion. Oh well.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 27, 2020 18:36:29 GMT
Perhaps I should had specified, I was referring more to Justice League and the BVS backlash. Hell, I'm a MoS fan myself and if all this trouble was gonna happen I'd rather we got a solo trilogy. But 20/20 I guess. Yeah, they were trying to go a different way than Marvel, but instead they should've just followed their mold. There was no need to reinvent the wheel. We should've gotten a few solo movies in the same universe before they did Justice League. At least MOS, Batman 1 and Wonder Woman 1 before JL. Instead now we have a disparate "multiverse" that offers some good movies, some bad movies, and no cohesion. Oh well. We definitely did not need a solo Batman movie before JL. Introducing him in a Superman sequel always made sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 18:10:29 GMT
Its completely stupid, but it isn't likely to change anytime soon. I think they should reboot him with a new actor in a new canon like they're doing with Batman.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 28, 2020 18:32:23 GMT
Its completely stupid, but it isn't likely to change anytime soon. I think they should reboot him with a new actor in a new canon like they're doing with Batman. I wouldn’t agree specifically on the count of how popular Henry Cavill seems to be these days.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 20:46:36 GMT
Its completely stupid, but it isn't likely to change anytime soon. I think they should reboot him with a new actor in a new canon like they're doing with Batman. I wouldn’t agree specifically on the count of how popular Henry Cavill seems to be these days. He's way too tied into what they've done so far. I'd be okay with him returning but it's a hard sell. He's been in three movies and all of them are either objectively bad or are very, very polarizing.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 28, 2020 20:53:38 GMT
I wouldn’t agree specifically on the count of how popular Henry Cavill seems to be these days. He's way too tied into what they've done so far. I'd be okay with him returning but it's a hard sell. He's been in three movies and all of them are either objectively bad or are very, very polarizing. I think a bright and cheerful Superman film starring Henry Cavill would be an easier sell than a film with a completely new Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 20:59:50 GMT
He's way too tied into what they've done so far. I'd be okay with him returning but it's a hard sell. He's been in three movies and all of them are either objectively bad or are very, very polarizing. I think a bright and cheerful Superman film starring Henry Cavill would be an easier sell than a film with a completely new Superman. Could be. And I'd honestly support doing that as well. Ignoring the character completely is a big mistake.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 29, 2020 0:49:39 GMT
I think a bright and cheerful Superman film starring Henry Cavill would be an easier sell than a film with a completely new Superman. Could be. And I'd honestly support doing that as well. Ignoring the character completely is a big mistake. Indeed. They’re making it way too hard on themselves. Just a throwaway line or something in reference to the Snyder-verse is really all they need like what Aquaman did with Justice League (2017).
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Post by northernlad on Aug 29, 2020 1:01:34 GMT
I wouldn’t agree specifically on the count of how popular Henry Cavill seems to be these days. He's way too tied into what they've done so far. I'd be okay with him returning but it's a hard sell. He's been in three movies and all of them are either objectively bad or are very, very polarizing. I don't feel he (Superman) was placed in the right hands to write for him. I think a new writer...not a reboot...and Cavill is all that is needed to make it a success.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 7, 2020 20:02:36 GMT
Henry Cavill’s trending again. It looks like there’s certainly a demand for him to continue playing Superman.
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