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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 17:29:49 GMT
I think I would've. We got "grounded" with Nolan's trilogy, and it worked out very well. Now we're going even more grounded, which feels redundant and a bit excessive. I mean, at a certain point you have to wonder why a guy in such a ultra realistic setting would even wear a bat cowl. Even Catwoman looks as though her cat ears are unintentional, nothing but points on a cheap ski mask that coincidentally look like ears. Lose every bit of surrealism and it may as well not even be a Batman movie.
That said, I do think it's a terrific trailer and I'm looking forward to the movie. Riddler looks/sounds fantastic.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 28, 2020 17:49:07 GMT
I would’ve liked if we had gotten the Ben Affleck movie, but what’s done is done.
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Post by hobowar on Aug 28, 2020 18:03:18 GMT
I still think Adam West is the most grounded and realistic Batman so far.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 28, 2020 19:36:15 GMT
Yes. The Reeves movie does look great, but I’d like a return to a more fantastical Batman universe.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Aug 29, 2020 1:08:47 GMT
No. The fantastical stuff worked great in Batman: The Animated Series, but it doesn't seem to translate that well when it comes to the live-action films. Plus I'm still traumatised by my memories of those silly Schumacher films. Reeves' grounded approach suits me fine. Also, I detected a strong gothic vibe in that trailer and that creepy gothic quality is more important to me than a shift towards more fantastical storylines.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 4:41:55 GMT
No. The fantastical stuff worked great in Batman: The Animated Series, but it doesn't seem to translate that well when it comes to the live-action films. Plus I'm still traumatised by my memories of those silly Schumacher films. Reeves' grounded approach suits me fine. Also, I detected a strong gothic vibe in that trailer and that creepy gothic quality is more important to me than a shift towards more fantastical storylines. Im not necessarily talking about fantastical elements but rather a less gritty approach where the characters can more closely resemble their comic book counterparts, and maybe someone like Mr Freeze could appear. |
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Post by politicidal on Aug 29, 2020 23:35:31 GMT
No. The fantastical stuff worked great in Batman: The Animated Series, but it doesn't seem to translate that well when it comes to the live-action films. Plus I'm still traumatised by my memories of those silly Schumacher films. Reeves' grounded approach suits me fine. Also, I detected a strong gothic vibe in that trailer and that creepy gothic quality is more important to me than a shift towards more fantastical storylines. Im not necessarily talking about fantastical elements but rather a less gritty approach where the characters can more closely resemble their comic book counterparts, and maybe someone like Mr Freeze could appear. Yeah, other Batman characters exist in the DCEU just fine. For all Suicide Squad's issues, I can buy the Joker, Harley Quinn, and Deadshot sharing scenes with Enchantress.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 30, 2020 0:03:47 GMT
Im not necessarily talking about fantastical elements but rather a less gritty approach where the characters can more closely resemble their comic book counterparts, and maybe someone like Mr Freeze could appear. Yeah, other Batman characters exist in the DCEU just fine. For all Suicide Squad's issues, I can buy the Joker, Harley Quinn, and Deadshot sharing scenes with Enchantress. The DCEU version of Batman isn’t particularly grounded in general.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Aug 30, 2020 2:39:33 GMT
No. The fantastical stuff worked great in Batman: The Animated Series, but it doesn't seem to translate that well when it comes to the live-action films. Plus I'm still traumatised by my memories of those silly Schumacher films. Reeves' grounded approach suits me fine. Also, I detected a strong gothic vibe in that trailer and that creepy gothic quality is more important to me than a shift towards more fantastical storylines. Im not necessarily talking about fantastical elements but rather a less gritty approach where the characters can more closely resemble their comic book counterparts, and maybe someone like Mr Freeze could appear. I've read my fair share of Batman graphic novels over the years and the majority of them tend towards grittiness IMO. I wouldn't mind the inclusion of Robin in his comic book form, however.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 4:52:47 GMT
Im not necessarily talking about fantastical elements but rather a less gritty approach where the characters can more closely resemble their comic book counterparts, and maybe someone like Mr Freeze could appear. I've read my fair share of Batman graphic novels over the years and the majority of them tend towards grittiness IMO. I wouldn't mind the inclusion of Robin in his comic book form, however. Well, yes. But how many of them have Catwoman just wearing an ordinary ski mask? That's really my point. Im not saying to treat it like a fantasy, only that I'd prefer something a touch more comicky. I'd much rather see Selina wearing that Long Halloween cowl in live action. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 30, 2020 10:10:48 GMT
I mean, at a certain point you have to wonder why a guy in such a ultra realistic setting would even wear a bat cowl. Conversely, I was wondering at the end of BvS and throughout JL what the hell a ninja in a Halloween costume was doing in a supernatural battle against cave trolls and demigods. Which echoed similar issues I always had with Hawkeye and Black Widow. It works in comics/cartoons/VGs, but in a live action movie that suspension of disbelief starts to wane for me. Of course, a good director could probably make it work. But in the case of the DCEU, he was just kinda...there, usually about to be obliterated until one of the other actual superheroes came to rescue him. Actually, an urban street vigilante Batman has always kinda been the Batman movie I wanted to see. The Nolan films dipped their toe into it, but still fell back on stuff like "microwave emitters" and nukes.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 30, 2020 10:29:44 GMT
You know we've never had a Batman in the movies that was just a detective that dealt with street crime and low thugs. That's how Batman works well. Having him deal with apocalypses and world ending strife doesn't work. All the Batmans we've had have never been a broken man who wanted to right the wrong of his parents dying in the most cathartic way he could, by putting himself between that threat and good people.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Aug 31, 2020 5:44:32 GMT
I've read my fair share of Batman graphic novels over the years and the majority of them tend towards grittiness IMO. I wouldn't mind the inclusion of Robin in his comic book form, however. Well, yes. But how many of them have Catwoman just wearing an ordinary ski mask? That's really my point. Im not saying to treat it like a fantasy, only that I'd prefer something a touch more comicky. I'd much rather see Selina wearing that Long Halloween cowl in live action. Ah, OK. I understand. Yeah, I'd be fine with that as well.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 31, 2020 19:58:13 GMT
It's funny; Batman Begins is likely the best example of a Batman film that is equal parts grounded and fantastical. I think there is a balance that can be struck between the two tones, which is necessary to portray the character correctly. Batman is both a man and a symbol. I don't understand the instant fanboy boner people get when they watch Batman beat a man beyond all hope of recovery and declare himself "vengeance." It's like watching Al Pacino go crazy for asses in Heat - it's mildly embarrassing.
I have no interest in seeing a straight-up crime procedural with Batman in it. I've got Ashley Judd and Morgan Freeman for that.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Aug 31, 2020 20:21:16 GMT
To me, this film is to Nolan's movies what Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man movie was to Raimi's film: a pointless reboot/make that has no reason to exist.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 31, 2020 20:54:23 GMT
For me Batman can only be slightly grounded. He lives in a world where a guy can dress up like a bat and fight crime and not get immediately busted by the cops despite the fact that it would take anyone with a brain 10 minutes to figure out that he's Bruce Wayne. So every time I see these super grounded versions of "Batman" I just laugh.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 31, 2020 21:46:49 GMT
It's funny; Batman Begins is likely the best example of a Batman film that is equal parts grounded and fantastical. I think there is a balance that can be struck between the two tones, which is necessary to portray the character correctly. Batman is both a man and a symbol. I don't understand the instant fanboy boner people get when they watch Batman beat a man beyond all hope of recovery and declare himself "vengeance." It's like watching Al Pacino go crazy for asses in Heat - it's mildly embarrassing. I have no interest in seeing a straight-up crime procedural with Batman in it. I've got Ashley Judd and Morgan Freeman for that. If so, they could do a film noir version set in 1930s or 40s. Even then, that he fights crime using unrealistic means against over the top villains would prevent any “straight up” narrative. That would go a long way towards rekindling my interest in the character.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 31, 2020 21:50:20 GMT
For me Batman can only be slightly grounded. He lives in a world where a guy can dress up like a bat and fight crime and not get immediately busted by the cops despite the fact that it would take anyone with a brain 10 minutes to figure out that he's Bruce Wayne. So every time I see these super grounded versions of "Batman" I just laugh. It was great as a one-off trilogy interpretation. Misguided fans are holding on to that grounded treatment like a security blanket that legitimizes their interest in men and women in spandex.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 31, 2020 22:03:34 GMT
Two of the films in TDKT involve Batman saving Gotham a society of ninja that want to use a microwave emitter and a nuke respectively to destroy the city. The movies are “grounded” in the sense that they don’t have any real fantastical elements to them, but they don’t go as far with it as they potentially could have.
Anyway, saying that the Matt Reeves movie looks like a rehash of the previous trilogy doesn’t seem to be entirely accurate. The Matt Reeves one looks like a noir detective story, which we haven’t really seen before.
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Post by Prime etc. on Aug 31, 2020 22:40:33 GMT
I liked seeing Batman in a realistic city (i.e the Dark Knight) since it was the first time since the 60s Batman (ignoring the use of color in some scenes).
The Keaton films had interesting design but the outside stuff was awful--dark, fake, I didnt care for that bizarre city look.
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