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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 10, 2020 23:19:44 GMT
...the critical part of the sentence was 'when you didn't have to'! Everyone has to. When? Soon? Give us a notice and I’ll send flowers.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 10, 2020 23:22:59 GMT
You still missed the point. reading skills are conspicuously absent here. Give it up, Goz. You’re a dog chasing a squirrel around a tree. 
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 10, 2020 23:42:28 GMT
I saw a video on PBS television about a hip joint replacement. It appeared very real and had no sudden scene changes. I would have believed in those anyway, without a video. I have never seen a video of a heart transplant that is believable. I am unfortunate, not stupid. A heart transplant is something I would have to see to believe. How fortunate you are to have seen one. Or did you actually see anything? I'm guessing no here. There is a certified real doctor in my close family, but the hospital where he works does not do heart transplants. I can't believe this comment EVEN from you! Are you seriously saying that organ transplants are not real? How are you proposing that my friend who was in hospital at death's door unable to breathe, suddenly got well enough to find a wife and have two kids, go back to work and live an almost normal life?How do you explain the huge scar, his fiance visiting him intensive care and one of the nations top doctors lying about what he had done? ...and guess what? They didn't let the guy's best friend's mother in law into the operating room!  You are clinically insane. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL You have really outdone the stupid this time! I mean no insult to your intelligence, but there is the same way faith healers do all that, which is also suspect.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 10, 2020 23:46:08 GMT
When? Soon? Give us a notice and I’ll send flowers. Few people know the day.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 11, 2020 0:00:14 GMT
When? Soon? Give us a notice and I’ll send flowers. Few people know the day. You mean you don’t know? I thought you knew everything.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 11, 2020 2:08:13 GMT
Why or why not? I think they can be compatible since they both exist independently and can give different perspectives that don’t need to conflict with each other. Science and religion are different but both can help someone gain more insight on many certain aspects in life. I agree, they are supposed to answer completely different things, it's not one or the other. Having said that any scientific claims or real world claims made by religion that are proven false by science should be dismissed.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 11, 2020 2:31:00 GMT
You mean you don’t know? I thought you knew everything. It's a common mistake. I don't know why. I never claimed to know everything.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 11, 2020 2:47:17 GMT
That's because my real life debate friends do not make any such errors. Elsewhere I did mention that I have had to educate people on this board (not real life) about what are the correct uses of the rules. Since you still don't know how to use them I will probably have to repeat. That's OK then. You weren't calling a No True Scotsman, just educating. LOL Try to pay close attention. If you can't, that will be fine. Just do the best you can. There are two things you can do when people try to claim religion is flawed because Donald Trump is. - Tell them Trump does not represent religion.
- Tell them they committed an ad hominem.
Okay there are other things you can do, and you can do both of those or neither, but those are the two main things.
Notice that I have done the first one probably a hundred times already. Only recently while trying to educate you about what an ad hominem actually is did I mention the second one. I still recommend that you do the first one without throwing rules around.
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Post by goz on Sept 11, 2020 3:26:59 GMT
I mean no insult to your intelligence, but there is the same way faith healers do all that, which is also suspect. So you equate heart lung transplant doctors in major hospitals to 'faith healers'?
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 11, 2020 3:32:48 GMT
I mean no insult to your intelligence, but there is the same way faith healers do all that, which is also suspect. So you equate heart lung transplant doctors in major hospitals to 'faith healers'? I equate proof I have not seen to proof I have not seen. It is a surprisingly rare talent.
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Post by goz on Sept 11, 2020 4:28:28 GMT
So you equate heart lung transplant doctors in major hospitals to 'faith healers'? I equate proof I have not seen to proof I have not seen. It is a surprisingly rare talent. How ineffably stupid! Have you seen a rocket launch? A tsunami? A baby born? A volcano erupt? So you think they don't happen if you haven't seen them? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 11, 2020 10:17:45 GMT
I equate proof I have not seen to proof I have not seen. It is a surprisingly rare talent. How ineffably stupid! Have you seen a rocket launch? A tsunami? A baby born? A volcano erupt?So you think they don't happen if you haven't seen them? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Each of those is a "false equivalence." Hey, you know what? This throwing around rules might not be so bad after all. I know I said before that it is pointless because so many people throw them around incorrectly. I said before that in order to show you use them correctly you have to actually make the argument anyway, then you don't really need to say what kind of rule it is. Then there are people like you who cannot really follow arguments. You just memorize your short phrases without ever understanding even one of them. On you using rules might be the way to go.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 11, 2020 10:44:42 GMT
That's OK then. You weren't calling a No True Scotsman, just educating. LOL Try to pay close attention. If you can't, that will be fine. Just do the best you can. There are two things you can do when people try to claim religion is flawed because Donald Trump is. - Tell them Trump does not represent religion.
- Tell them they committed an ad hominem.
Okay there are other things you can do, and you can do both of those or neither, but those are the two main things. If anyone ever makes that claim to me, which they never have, I will be sure and remember that. But as I already demonstrated, you misrepresent what constitutes an ad hominem. Educate us. What is Trump's argument here that is not being addressed? Evasion, as always, will be noted.
What this has to do with you recently calling a 'No True Scotsman', when you said you never do it, only you can tell.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 11, 2020 10:47:15 GMT
So you equate heart lung transplant doctors in major hospitals to 'faith healers'? I equate proof I have not seen to proof I have not seen. It is a surprisingly rare talent. Not really. Those who lack belief in the deliberate supernatural use it all the time. It works with evidence, too.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 11, 2020 11:18:45 GMT
I equate proof I have not seen to proof I have not seen. It is a surprisingly rare talent. Not really. Those who lack belief in the deliberate supernatural use it all the time. It works with evidence, too. Have you witnessed a heart transplant? No? Do you believe in them? See the double standard?
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 11, 2020 11:26:31 GMT
Try to pay close attention. If you can't, that will be fine. Just do the best you can. There are two things you can do when people try to claim religion is flawed because Donald Trump is. - Tell them Trump does not represent religion.
- Tell them they committed an ad hominem.
Okay there are other things you can do, and you can do both of those or neither, but those are the two main things. If anyone ever makes that claim to me, which they never have, I will be sure and remember that. But as I already demonstrated, you misrepresent what constitutes an ad hominem. Educate us. What is Trump's argument here that is not being addressed? Evasion, as always, will be noted.
What this has to do with you recently calling a 'No True Scotsman', when you said you never do it, only you can tell. As I expected you were not able to pay attention. We are going to let that slide today. Please try not to get me in trouble in getting in any trouble yourself. So far you have failed to describe an ad hominem coherently yourself and should avoid challenging other descriptions. Please notice that you have the parties involved all mixed up. The argument is "religion" whether Trump makes any "argument" or not. He is topical only because he attempts to represent religion. Of course any attempt to "represent" religion might be loosely defined as an "argument" but you are too oblivious to follow these things. Have you tried bird watching?
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 11, 2020 12:01:14 GMT
So far you have failed to describe an ad hominem coherently yourself and should avoid challenging other descriptions. Please notice that you have the parties involved all mixed up. He described what an ad hominem was adequately enough that a person of average intelligence who wasn't a mindless troll could easily grasp the concept.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 11, 2020 19:20:58 GMT
Not really. Those who lack belief in the deliberate supernatural use it all the time. It works with evidence, too. Have you witnessed a heart transplant? No? Do you believe in them? See the double standard? Yes I have. So can everyone else. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kriob0nAuyU You are welcome. My answer to this is the same as last time you made the claim: .. this is a classic attempt at levelling the playing field. Is every belief really as (ir)rational as another? Is 'faith' the same for everything everywhere? To avoid being inconsistent Arlon would have to accept that the earth is both flat and round, his website is both popular and informative and yet isn't, or that astrology is true and that it also isn't, i.e. that all these beliefs are equally (un)reasonable.. I am willing to bet that this is not the case. So the fact is that he would therefore most likely consider reason a fairly reliable tool for deciding what is true and what isn't - down to, in many cases, placing his life in its hands (as when he trusts medical advice on best avoiding Covid rather than soaking his head in holy water). The reason behind science is evidence, and where there is evidence there is no need for faith. Scientists may well end up mistaken about a matter; but it is the notion of things scientific being shown possibly untrue, that of falsification, that gives weight and strength to their reasonable certainties. Have you ever seen the magical creation of anything? See the double standard?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 11, 2020 19:21:53 GMT
If anyone ever makes that claim to me, which they never have, I will be sure and remember that. But as I already demonstrated, you misrepresent what constitutes an ad hominem. Educate us. What is Trump's argument here that is not being addressed? Evasion, as always, will be noted.
What this has to do with you recently calling a 'No True Scotsman', when you said you never do it, only you can tell. As I expected you were not able to pay attention. We are going to let that slide today. Please try not to get me in trouble in getting in any trouble yourself. So far you have failed to describe an ad hominem coherently yourself and should avoid challenging other descriptions. Please notice that you have the parties involved all mixed up. The argument is "religion" whether Trump makes any "argument" or not. He is topical only because he attempts to represent religion. Of course any attempt to "represent" religion might be loosely defined as an "argument" but you are too oblivious to follow these things. Have you tried bird watching? You didn't say what Trump's argument was, just something general you feel fit to 'loosely define'. Evasion noted.
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Post by goz on Sept 11, 2020 20:53:03 GMT
Not really. Those who lack belief in the deliberate supernatural use it all the time. It works with evidence, too. Have you witnessed a heart transplant? No? Do you believe in them? See the double standard? Are you claiming they don't happen unless you 'believe' in them? What total crapola beeswax! You are insane.
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