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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 7:15:51 GMT
I agree with many mentioned, but will add 47 Ronin and Showgirls as my contribution. I also lime Tim Burton's Alice In Wonderland.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 11:15:57 GMT
Batman v Superman (Ultimate Edition)
Waterworld
Halloween (2007)
Man of Steel
Butterfly Effect
Drop Dead Fred
Hook
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Post by sostie on Sept 7, 2020 11:22:14 GMT
Popeye Jon Carter Dark Shadows Lone Ranger Guest House Paradiso
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 7, 2020 11:27:09 GMT
Hard Rain The Ghost and the Darkness Warcraft
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Post by senan90 on Sept 7, 2020 11:28:03 GMT
Have you seen Heaven's Gate? It's a masterpiece
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 12:54:48 GMT
I didn't realize The Butterfly Effect was panned. That is a great movie AFAIC. I prefer the original ending though, the alternate makes some of the plot points pointless.
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Post by avocadojoe on Sept 7, 2020 19:02:32 GMT
Have you seen Heaven's Gate? It's a masterpiece Is that the Michael Cimino movie? I always get that one and the documentary about a pet cemetary confused. I think the doc is called "Gates of Heaven".
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Post by ck100 on Sept 7, 2020 19:04:00 GMT
I don't think Dreamcatcher is that bad.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Sept 7, 2020 19:07:11 GMT
i can't think of none, at all. If they hate it i always hate it the exact same way. True story.
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Post by moonchild on Sept 8, 2020 2:51:51 GMT
Oh, yes! I was not going to remember that one, but what's not to like? Movie is funny and good-natured and Elvira is immensely appealing. Leonard Maltin inexplicably gave it a BOMB and I do not understand his reasoning at all. I donât revere Maltin the way you do as a critic. In the 80âs when I would watch EW and eagerly await his film reviews, my brother in law once commented that someone mustâve pulled the carrot out his ass when he gave a film a good review. Maltin was too cynical and he was from the era when critics knew they could really influence some films popularity status and played on that. Up In Smoke I can just see you laughing at that ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif)
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Post by miike80 on Sept 8, 2020 6:33:03 GMT
Hook John Carter Quantum of Solace
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Post by maxwellperfect on Sept 8, 2020 23:43:08 GMT
Waterworld The Phantom Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within Popeye Ultraviolet Cherry 2000 Godzilla (1996) X-Men: The Last Stand Super Mario Brothers Escape from L.A. Judge Dredd Barbarella
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Post by ck100 on Sept 9, 2020 2:22:58 GMT
Firestorm starring Howie Long isn't that bad.
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Post by Gourmando the Reindeer on Sept 17, 2020 10:24:34 GMT
I buy his guide almost every year, and, yeah, they get more and more familiar. The thing I miss most from the older editions is the omission of my beloved tv movies from the 80s and (especially) the 70s. They stopped including those many years ago. I guess they were starting to run out of space. I agree with a lot of your picks especially Roller Boogie and Visiting Hours. Empire of the Ants is one of two movies  I remember seeing for the first time as a very small child sick with a cold. I got to stay up all night on the couch dozing off and on unable to really sleep because of a blocked up nose and cough. My dad on the couch and mom in the recliner. All I remembered about it was Joan Collins and the part where the giant ants surround them while they are in a small pond or swamp, on a boat I think and the ants' legs keep stalking around at them and the antenna waving. And the noise the ants make. To my young self back then it did not look fake at all. The other movie all I could remember about it was piranhas and a sinking boat and one fish flopping around on deck. Grown, for a long time I just figured it was Piranha but recently seeing Killer Fish on MST3k I realized THAT was it, no question. The diamonds and some of the characters felt so familiar. Karen Black is in it (and Burnt Offerings as you know) which brings me to Can She Bake a Cherry Pie? I've read about it and how offbeat and sweet it is, like Karen herself was, but never seen it (yet) I've always wanted to. I'd watch her in anything. One of her very first movies You're A Big Boy Now is pretty fun and interesting. Especially if you like late 60s/early 70s. Her role is pretty small but pivotal. Anyway, my list without thinking too deep about it -The Apple â€â€â€ -Norbit -Congo -The Crater Lake Monster
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Post by Gourmando the Reindeer on Sept 17, 2020 10:54:15 GMT
I buy his guide almost every year, and, yeah, they get more and more familiar. The thing I miss most from the older editions is the omission of my beloved tv movies from the 80s and (especially) the 70s. They stopped including those many years ago. I guess they were starting to run out of space. Here you go avocadojoe. (I must say I miss Toasted Cheese addressing you as Mr. Dirty. ![:))](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cheesy.png) ) Was going to post this first within my first reply but figured I'd better break it up in case the site glitched. I've been getting ready for the October Challenge. Thinking about discs I have and dvr recorded stuff that would be FTV. I have a ton of both. One of the movies on the dvr is Night Drive starring Valerie Harper. Now, I took a 10-15 minute sneak peek at it and liked it. (I'm still gonna count it as FTV though!) But wanting more, I looked for reviews for it and found this site. Well, that's a link to the review but I'm gonna post it too anyway. MoviesAndDrinks .. Night Terrorâ (1977): Valerie Harper stars in tense suspenser Movies & Drinks 3 years ago
Remember Rhoda, Maryâs best friend and upstairs neighbor on The Mary Tyler Moore Show? Did you know that she, along with her costars, took a suspenseful detour into thriller-movie territory, to spice things up?
Now, you can find Valerie Harperâs 1977 NBC made-for-TV movie, Night Terror, for sale on various public domain discs, but make sure you type in Night Drive, because somehow, somewhere, this spiffy, creepy little actioner was re-titled.
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Frazzled, scatterbrained Phoenix, Arizona housewife and mother Carol Turney (Valerie Harper) has to deal with yet another house move, this time to Denver, Colorado, thanks to her super-controlled, super-confident, super-condescending, super-emotionally removed husband, Walter (Michael Tolan). Mr. Corporate Tool has been transferred five times in the last 10 years, so Carolâs used to itâŠbut no better at it, and thatâs because Walter is the brains of the outfit. As he tells Carolâs sister, Vera (Beatrice Manley), space cadet Carol likes it that he keeps her fuzzy head on track (when Carol canât find her to-do list, and Walter magically pulls out a copyâbecause he just knew sheâd lose hersâCarol dreamily coos, âYouâre so perfect,â).
Unfortunately, the plan to follow the kids to Denver (who flew ahead with Aunt Vera) goes awry when Walter is delayed by his company (there goes the second honeymoon they planned at a sleazy motel), and when one of the kids gets a mastoid infection at a Denver hospital. Carol has to leave Phoenix, but the Denver airport is snowed in, and she canât get Walter on the phone. In desperation, Carol decides to attempt the 16-hour drive in the middle of the nightâa shaky proposition since Carol has almost zero self-confidence making a shopping list, let alone attempting such an endurance test behind the wheel of her big-assed Ford Torino station wagon. Too bad she slows down to ask a cop about getting some gas, because when he turns around, a speed freak killer (Richard Romanus) cuts the cop in two with a shotgun blast, right before he sees CarolâŠwho saw him kill the cop. Now, Carol must turn her brain back on, and outrun the killer.
Anybody who saw Night Terror when it first aired on NBC on February 7th, 1977, will never forget the sight of psychotic, mute Richard Romanus putting that Remington Triple Blade electric shaver/electrolarynx up to his throat and creeping the sh*t out of millions of viewers with his buzzing, robotic voice (too bad Harper was up against the second chapter of ABCâs blockbuster Western pilot/special, How the West Was Won, with James Arnessâit killed Rhodaâs Road Trip in the ratings). An obvious nod to Spielbergâs MTV Duel, Night Terror canât compete one-on-one with that masterpiece, but on its own, itâs a tense, tight outing, with well-executed suspense/action scenes from old pro, E.W. Swackhammer (has there ever been a cooler name in movies?) and a memorable performance from Romanus.
Night Terror begins with an appropriately disturbing, drive-in exploitation-like opening sequence: a silent, narrow-eyed, disturbed Romanus shooting up a âNo Litteringâ sign out on a lonely two-lane stretch of desert blacktop, with composer Fred Steinerâs pounding music in the background. Director Swackhammer, a clean, efficient director of numerous television episodes and made-for-TV movies, keeps his frames simple and direct; you wonât find any Spielbergian flourishes here. This is meat-and-potatoes moviemaking, and just as enjoyable for that simplicity of purpose.
The screenplay by Richard DeNeut and Carl Gabler (each of whom, strangely, have only this movie to their credits) is also extremely leanâat least when it comes to Romanusâ killer character. Exactly one vague line of motivation is given the character; heâs at a pay phone, and his unseen caller states, âSoldier, the goods better be there.â Thatâs it. With his dog tags we assume heâs a former soldierâŠbut what kind? Is he one of the band of crazed Vietnam vets that roamed TV sets back in the mid-70s? Is he selling something illegal, like guns or drugs, in that army footlocker? Or is he a smuggler? We have to guess, just like we have to guess why he uses an electrolarynx. And that refusal to elaborate is fineâit only makes his murderous rage all that more inexplicable and frightening, and his focus on killing Harper that more singular and relentless.
The screenplay does provide a subtext for Harperâs character, however, one that no doubt enticed the actress in the first place to participate. At this time in her career, Harper was frequently interviewed and quoted about her feelings concerning the Equal Rights movement and feminism, particularly while starring in her own series, Rhoda, featuring a character who transitioned from wife to divorced business owner. Night Terror isnât exactly subtle in the way it introduces those themes into its straight suspenser framework. While itâs enjoyable to see Harperâs character gradually evolve from a dependent housewife into a competent hard-ass who feels no compunction in running over her attacker, the initial depiction of Carol as some kind of addle-pated Stepford Wife, coddled and guided by the condescending hand of her controlling husband, is too broad and facile, and thus lessens the transformationâs impact.
Whoever designed Carol (why do I get the feeling Harper had a lot of say in shaping her, particularly with two anonymous scripters?) did so as if sheâs unable to get through a door, let alone an average day of managing a household. This is âhousewife as incompetent boob,â a notion that got laughs with Lucy, but which here is insulting to a then-large portion of the TV viewing audience (hard-left feminists still contemptuously look at âmere housewivesââone of the hardest jobs in the worldâlike an antifa goon looks at a Confederate statue). If social critics, screenwriters, and actors looking to make a statement would go back and actually watch, before attacking, the shows from televisionâs ârepressiveâ era, theyâd find a whole lot of smart housewives who ran rings around their bumbling husbands (back then, womenâs TV roles were almost exclusively limited to domestic duties, admittedlyâŠbut producers werenât going to deliberately insult their main audience: women).
Still, itâs quite fun to see Harper go from walking into a wall to ballsy road warrior. The script is clever enough in setting up a series of events that put her on the road, alone: husband delayed, kid dying, airport snowed in, a 16-hour drive alone (that may seem like nothing now, in the reassuring days of GPS and cell phones, but a long, solitary trip back then through long expanses of nothingness, at night, would make any driver pause). Once sheâs in motion, the further obstacles that are put in her way only ratchet up the movieâs tensionâthe best being her gas tank already on empty. That gives the storyline a needling worry right out of the gate (if you look at the 50 cents a gallon sign with envy, it works out to only $2.10 today with inflationâŠand that 4,000lb gas hog of a station wagon of hers would be lucky to get 15 miles per on the highway).
And as Night Terror ditches its subtexty set-up and gets down to the action, it does its job quite well. Itâs a jittery, nerve-wracking ride. Swackhammer knows how to stage an unpretentious, tense scene, whether itâs flat-out action as Harper tries to outmaneuver Romanus on a freeway turnoff, or a dead-quiet extended scene where Harper has to figure out how to get some gas from a closed-up station (Swackhammer just lets the camera run, showing us Harper working out the problem in her head while physically struggling with the mechanics of getting the power on to work the locked pumpâitâs the best scene in the movie). Shooting half the movie at night, the single-source lighting isolates Harper claustrophobically in her car, the vast desert landscapes invisible in the dark. But daylight is no help to her, either, as Swackhammer continually isolates Harper in the bright, desolate sands.
Night Terrorâs performances are spot on. Michael Tolan, a familiar face from 70s TV, gets the smarmy, confident, condescending husband down pat , while John Quade has a memorable bit as a disturbed hobo who isnât the threat he first appears to be. Richard Romanus makes the strongest impact here as the voiceless killer. Narrowing his rat-like eyes and hissing that wild, soundless scream, heâs quite frightening, whether heâs frustrated in a restroom (the soap powderâremember that?âdoesnât come out fast enoughâŠso he rips the dispenser off the wall), or staring down a chatty waitress who canât get the message he doesnât want to talk (he takes his coffee and pours it all over his food and countertop, daring her to do something, before he puts her bill money in his mouth and spits it out at herâa great bit, that).
Valerie Harper is obviously the star here, but quite frankly, her take on Carol in the opening scenes is so off-putting, itâs tough to get past the initial impression (sheâs fine in the later action scenes, but youâd root for her more if you had liked her more in the beginning). Unfortunately, anyone looking for what made Harper such a dynamic, free-wheeling, entirely likeable actor in the Rhoda character, wonât find it in Night Terror. Watch her in something like 1974âs b.o. hit, Freebie and the Bean, a turn which should have made her a big screen movie star: whip-smart, perfect comedic timing (she bests pro Alan Arkin, no small feat), and insanely hot. Why big screen movies like that werenât in the cards for Harper is anyoneâs guessâŠbut itâs hard not to feel she seems a little glum, a little put-out in Night Terror, as if cheap made-for-TV thrillers werenât what she was hoping for at that point in her career.
If you go to the site there is a link to a review for Dying Room Only which I had never heard of. Started reading it but stopped as soon as I saw the spoiler warning. But it sounded like such a good suspense thriller I have decided to buy the dvd for the challenge. The review mentions how the makers of Kurt Russel's Breakdown cited it as a huge inspiration for them and I like Breakdown.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 17, 2020 11:01:57 GMT
I don`t really pay much attention to what critics thinks of movies. But some of the movies others have listed here are movie i liked such as
Van Helsing Dark Shadows. Godzilla (1998) Batman v. Superman The 13th Warrior Gods of Egypt Quantum of Solace The Butterfly Effect Die Another Day Waterworld Man of Steel
There are probably others too but as i said i don`t pay much attention to critics so i don`t really know what movies they have panned.
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Post by waldolydecker on Sept 17, 2020 13:59:47 GMT
Have you seen Heaven's Gate? It's a masterpiece I was going to mention Heaven's Gate too. I saw the restored version at the cinema and I agree, it is a masterpiece.
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Post by senan90 on Sept 17, 2020 16:48:08 GMT
Have you seen Heaven's Gate? It's a masterpiece I was going to mention Heaven's Gate too. I saw the restored version at the cinema and I agree, it is a masterpiece. One might wonder if Kris Kristofferson had been born earlier he would have been a great Western star.
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Post by mikef6 on Sept 17, 2020 16:59:57 GMT
avocadojoe Back in '68 I was out for lunch when I ran into a girl I knew from college. She said that she and her date had been to a movie. I asked what they saw and she said "Boom!" I asked how it was and she said, "Thud." Even before that I was not much interested in seeing it so her comment put me off completely. Still, looking over the info on it now, I am still not inclined to indulge myself.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 17, 2020 20:06:58 GMT
Elvira: Mistress Of The Dark Saw that on Hulu earlier this summer - was a lot of fun. Cassandra Peterson is 69 today and still looks great.
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