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Post by Vits on Sept 3, 2020 16:23:33 GMT
At ANY point he could have said - No, this is totally unacceptable and humiliating to portray a black hero in this way. I'm not going to do it. And again, what's Disney going to do? Risk losing one of the leads and facing a court case wherein they'd be labelled as being racist? No way... That's how it feels to be a minority: Either you just take for granted that you won't have the same privileges as others, or you try to come up with all kinds of reasons why it's better to just let it be. "I guess I'm looking at things the wrong way." "I should be more thankful." "It's going to create tension in the workplace, maybe even among those who I don't think are doing anything wrong." What happens when they do speak up? A huge amount of people immediately dismiss them. Regardless what the results would've been, images would've been tarnished and careers could've been ruined. Why is John saying it all now? Because he knows others have seen the same problems, so he has validation. Because he doesn't have to go back to a set and receive awkward stares from others. Or maybe he wasn't even planning on saying it, but the interviewer brought it up and he didn't feel like lying anymore.
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Post by darkpast on Sept 3, 2020 18:15:49 GMT
Actually the worst thing in all this is to consider John Boyega's comments not in terms of going back to TFA but to TLJ. There's absolutely no excuse at that point - there was plenty of internet coverage of how Finn was essentially the Jar Jar Binks / the joke of the TFA and it was disgraceful treatment of the first lead black Star Wars character. We talked about it at length back on the old imdb TFA board. He clearly doesn't live in away from online stuff in any kind of a bubble, so he'd have been more than aware of what was being said across the internet. He then gets TLJ script and the very first thing he reads is:- "Finn comes running in to the room - water tubes flailing wildly around him - and slips over on the high polished surface, crashing on his ass, much to the amusement of everyone assembled in the room watching him". And you could go on and on with that script as well. At ANY point he could have said - No, this is totally unacceptable and humiliating to portray a black hero in this way. I'm not going to do it. And again, what's Disney going to do? Risk losing one of the leads and facing a court case wherein they'd be labelled as being racist? No way... Trouble is his high morals simply did not exist then. I don't think Finn was mistreated in TFA besides making him the janitor
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 3, 2020 18:57:32 GMT
They put him in there because they needed a black guy so the SJW's wouldn't send angry e-mails. It's how Disney rolls. They don't actually care about black people, they just use them to keep the whiners at bay. Anyone who unironically used the term "SJW" is an a$$hole. It's the law of the Internet.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 3, 2020 19:01:03 GMT
Judging by the way Boyega treats a company that not only majorly jump-started his career (yes, Attack the block came first, but how many people knew the name "John Boyega" even after that movie?) and has always had his back publicly, I can't wait for about a decade to pass and he'd making nothing but crappy straight-to-streaming movies. He needs to ask Katherine Heigl what happens to your career when you crap on the people who employ you.
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Post by darkpast on Sept 3, 2020 19:04:19 GMT
Judging by the way Boyega treats a company that not only majorly jump-started his career (yes, Attack the block came first, but how many people knew the name "John Boyega" even after that movie?) and has always had his back publicly, I can't wait for about a decade to pass and he'd making nothing but crappy straight-to-streaming movies. He needs to ask Katherine Heigl what happens to your career when you crap on the people who employ you. his comments are more in line with Shia, who trashed Transformers and Indy
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Post by Vits on Sept 3, 2020 19:30:51 GMT
Judging by the way Boyega treats a company that not only majorly jump-started his career (yes, Attack the block came first, but how many people knew the name "John Boyega" even after that movie?) and has always had his back publicly, I can't wait for about a decade to pass and he'd making nothing but crappy straight-to-streaming movies. He needs to ask Katherine Heigl what happens to your career when you crap on the people who employ you. People have a right to speak up if they're dissatisfied with their jobs, even if there are positive aspects as well. Katherine is a bad example to compare. Her approach to discussing KNOCKED UP and GREY'S ANATOMY was very confrontational. She didn't come off as a victim at all. That combined with people talking about how hard it is to work with her is what affected her career. As far as I know, nobody has spoken ill about John.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 3, 2020 19:41:18 GMT
Judging by the way Boyega treats a company that not only majorly jump-started his career (yes, Attack the block came first, but how many people knew the name "John Boyega" even after that movie?) and has always had his back publicly, I can't wait for about a decade to pass and he'd making nothing but crappy straight-to-streaming movies. He needs to ask Katherine Heigl what happens to your career when you crap on the people who employ you. his comments are more in line with Shia, who trashed Transformers and Indy And boy, is HIS career going swell.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Sept 3, 2020 22:39:59 GMT
Boyega still had time spent on him too. So what? I think Han and Leia did a little more than scream "LUKE!" LOL!
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Sept 3, 2020 22:50:54 GMT
what a whiner , he got paid, he isn't exactly putting in great work elsewhere. Pacific Rim uprising , lol And his acting and character in Pacific Rim Uprising was actually BETTER than Finn. That movie was poorly marketed and horribly under-promoted in the US of A. It didn’t help that a few major characters were replaced with a teenage Disney “brat pack” either.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Sept 3, 2020 22:57:01 GMT
Actually the worst thing in all this is to consider John Boyega's comments not in terms of going back to TFA but to TLJ. There's absolutely no excuse at that point - there was plenty of internet coverage of how Finn was essentially the Jar Jar Binks / the joke of the TFA and it was disgraceful treatment of the first lead black Star Wars character. We talked about it at length back on the old imdb TFA board. He clearly doesn't live in away from online stuff in any kind of a bubble, so he'd have been more than aware of what was being said across the internet. He then gets TLJ script and the very first thing he reads is:- "Finn comes running in to the room - water tubes flailing wildly around him - and slips over on the high polished surface, crashing on his ass, much to the amusement of everyone assembled in the room watching him". And you could go on and on with that script as well. At ANY point he could have said - No, this is totally unacceptable and humiliating to portray a black hero in this way. I'm not going to do it. And again, what's Disney going to do? Risk losing one of the leads and facing a court case wherein they'd be labelled as being racist? No way... Trouble is his high morals simply did not exist then. I wouldn’t put it past Disney. If they could change Mark Hamill’s character from Luke Skywalker to Jake Skywalker and get away with it. They could replace Boyega. They did it in The Matrix franchise. They replaced Tank with Link when Marcus Chong complained.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Sept 3, 2020 23:07:01 GMT
Judging by the way Boyega treats a company that not only majorly jump-started his career (yes, Attack the block came first, but how many people knew the name "John Boyega" even after that movie?) and has always had his back publicly, I can't wait for about a decade to pass and he'd making nothing but crappy straight-to-streaming movies. He needs to ask Katherine Heigl what happens to your career when you crap on the people who employ you. Daisy Ridley’s career isn’t going much better. So much for the cost of complaining. The cost of how Disney made this trilogy seems to be having a bigger negative impact.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Sept 3, 2020 23:10:36 GMT
I think Han and Leia did a little more than scream "LUKE!" Finn was the magic stormtrooper who led the spacehorse attack, yo!!!! He will always be remembered for leading the Star Wars equivalence of ‘My Little Pony’.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Sept 4, 2020 8:28:20 GMT
I wouldn’t put it past Disney. If they could change Mark Hamill’s character from Luke Skywalker to Jake Skywalker and get away with it. They could replace Boyega. They did it in The Matrix franchise. They replaced Tank with Link when Marcus Chong complained. Well my feeling is that they only got away with Luke & Finn because the actors allowed them to. After the TFA ending, TLJ could never have been made without Mark Hamill. Yes, contracts, etc but really if he'd said "I absolutely disagree with this, this isn't how Luke would act, I'm not comfortable doing these scenes", etc then he would absolutely have had them over a barrell. What could they do? He absolutely had to be in the film... John Boyega into TFA is a bit different. If he complained, like you said, Disney probably just replace him. But then what would he complain about? I don't know for sure but I don't think Finn was written as a "black part" - I'm assuming they just screen tested him and thought he would be the right actor for this doofus sidekick part irrespective of race. Nothing changed with that character in the TLJ script, he was the same clown-ish character. The only difference would have been Boyega was now tuned in to that perception of what that character meant for others and how the character was seen as degrading. THIS was his "over a barrell" moment, if he was a real man of character, not going "well you know what, I'll just make this film AND the next one and then I'll complain"! Because now Disney can't just quietly replace him without it causing a real storm. That was the point when he could have effected real change - not after the fact as a defensive measure, when his prior compliance doesn't really sit nicely with the persona he'd like to project now.
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Post by Vits on Sept 4, 2020 8:55:51 GMT
After the TFA ending, TLJ could never have been made without Mark Hamill. Yes, contracts, etc but really if he'd said "I absolutely disagree with this, this isn't how Luke would act, I'm not comfortable doing these scenes", etc then he would absolutely have had them over a barrell. What could they do? He absolutely had to be in the film... John Boyega into TFA is a bit different. If he complained, like you said, Disney probably just replace him. But then what would he complain about? if he was a real man of character, not going "well you know what, I'll just make this film AND the next one and then I'll complain"! Because now Disney can't just quietly replace him without it causing a real storm. I'm sorry, but that's not how filmmaking works. As an employer, you don't hire, fire and replace people in the span of days. It takes time. As an employee, you've already organized your calendar to work for X amounts of days (or even months) on a project. You can't just toss it away, especially if you already turned down other offers because you were going to be busy during that period. And during the search for a replacement, the filming schedule has to be modified. Sure, they can film scenes with other characters in the meantime, but if they think they have to re-write something that might affect the other storylines, they'll probably halt principal photography altogether. Now, imagine having a problem with the movie and then feeling the pressure of halting the entire project just for that. Would you speak up? Even if your complains are justified, it would still affect all your co-workers negatively. There are also movies where actors aren't given the entire script until the last minute to avoid spoilers from being leaked. You can still complain on set, but it'll waste an entire work day. And people would still have to be payed for showing up, increasing the budget.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 4, 2020 19:17:01 GMT
his comments are more in line with Shia, who trashed Transformers and Indy And boy, is HIS career going swell. Actually it is, both The Peanut Butter Falcon and Honey Boy, which was based on his life, were well received. He's doing quite well in the indie market.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 4, 2020 19:18:39 GMT
They put him in there because they needed a black guy so the SJW's wouldn't send angry e-mails. It's how Disney rolls. They don't actually care about black people, they just use them to keep the whiners at bay. Anyone who unironically used the term "SJW" is an a$$hole. It's the law of the Internet. They're not wrong, Finn in TLJ and TROS barely registers as a character and seems 'just there' most of the time to score brownie points, they didn't do his character any justice after TFA.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 4, 2020 19:22:13 GMT
Judging by the way Boyega treats a company that not only majorly jump-started his career (yes, Attack the block came first, but how many people knew the name "John Boyega" even after that movie?) and has always had his back publicly, I can't wait for about a decade to pass and he'd making nothing but crappy straight-to-streaming movies. He needs to ask Katherine Heigl what happens to your career when you crap on the people who employ you. So he doesn't have the right to have an opinion? He's spot on, the seeds were planted in The Force Awakens for Finn to really grow and shine as a character but they dropped the ball big time in The Last Jedi and in The Rise of Skywalker, he was mostly just 'there'. They robbed him of a good character arc.
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Post by senan90 on Sept 4, 2020 23:03:24 GMT
Anyone who unironically used the term "SJW" is an a$$hole. It's the law of the Internet. They're not wrong, Finn in TLJ and TROS barely registers as a character and seems 'just there' most of the time to score brownie points, they didn't do his character any justice after TFA. Yes, they are wrong. And Finn had an arc in TLJ. Maybe you should go back and watch the film.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 5, 2020 5:26:04 GMT
They're not wrong, Finn in TLJ and TROS barely registers as a character and seems 'just there' most of the time to score brownie points, they didn't do his character any justice after TFA. Yes, they are wrong. And Finn had an arc in TLJ. Maybe you should go back and watch the film. I have, his storyline beginning from TFA to TROS is a letdown. And on TLJ he was pretty much comic relief who was dragged along by Rose Tico, who wasn't anything more than a two face concept of a character who Rian Johnson couldn't decide if she were to fangirl over Finn or be some kind of Joan of Arc archetype.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Sept 5, 2020 8:02:11 GMT
Here's Finn's heroic reintroduction in TLJ for anyone who's forgotten it (48 seconds in):-
This was particularly sad - a very short snippet of this appeared in the trailer thus making like Finn would have a cool bacta tank scene. But no. He bangs his head off the tank lid then falls over! Another great piece of expectation subversion by the grand master Rian Johnson...
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