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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 7:02:56 GMT
I am assuming this is a response to the $35 rental price.
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Post by jcush on Sept 4, 2020 7:08:53 GMT
The lead actress also pissed some people off by supporting the Chinese government during the Hong Kong protests, so that's probably part of it too.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 7:10:15 GMT
The lead actress also pissed some people off by supporting the Chinese government during the Hong Kong protests, so that's probably part of it too. Yeah, bad move.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 7:24:17 GMT
The lead actress also pissed some people off by supporting the Chinese government during the Hong Kong protests, so that's probably part of it too. For Disney to make a Mulan remake at the moment was a bad idea. I actually think the movie looks good and very well made, but Mulan could come off as extreme pandering to the Chinese market.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 4, 2020 8:28:22 GMT
Or it could just be a bad movie.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 4, 2020 13:10:58 GMT
Perfect storm:
* People pissed off at the price
* People pissed off at the lead actress for defending the Chinese government
* Right-wingers pissed off that a movie has the temerity to have a non-white cast (a.k.a. the "anti-SJWs")
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 4, 2020 13:19:27 GMT
That's what happens these days.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 13:24:28 GMT
Or it could just be a bad movie. It is well rated by critics though and there is no way it is THAT bad. Rotten Tomatoes - 82% Metacritic - 69% IMDB - 4.0
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Post by dazz on Sept 4, 2020 13:41:43 GMT
Perfect storm: * People pissed off at the price * People pissed off at the lead actress for defending the Chinese government * Right-wingers pissed off that a movie has the temerity to have a non-white cast (a.k.a. the "anti-SJWs") Iirc even before Covid when the film had some early review screenings the word back from them was mixed, could simply be like a lot of the other remakes of those classic Disney animated movies it's just not that good, or not good enough for some I guess, I dunno. Anyone annoyed at Mulan not being led by a white3 actress needs to get their fucking head examined though, but I haven't really heard any of that myself, but then I don't go looking for that shit.
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Post by dazz on Sept 4, 2020 13:48:24 GMT
Or it could just be a bad movie. It is well rated by critics though and there is no way it is THAT bad. Rotten Tomatoes - 82% Metacritic - 69% IMDB - 4.0 82% isnt the score it's the ratio, the score is just over 7/10, also look at the amount of reviews, not that many as you would expect for a movie like this, so could be those who liked it put their reviews out asap but others not so much, where as for fans maybe the same, still a low number of people who voted on Mulan on IMDB, less than 2000 a far cry from the 10's or 100's of thousands you normally see, so who knows how it will play out.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 13:54:45 GMT
It is well rated by critics though and there is no way it is THAT bad. Rotten Tomatoes - 82% Metacritic - 69% IMDB - 4.0 82% isnt the score it's the ratio, the score is just over 7/10, also look at the amount of reviews, not that many as you would expect for a movie like this, so could be those who liked it put their reviews out asap but others not so much, where as for fans maybe the same, still a low number of people who voted on Mulan on IMDB, less than 2000 a far cry from the 10's or 100's of thousands you normally see, so who knows how it will play out. Yes, I know how RT works. On Metacritic the rating is the average rating of the combined reviews. 69 would be a fresh rating on RT. Compare those with the IMDB rating. Most bad mainstream movies don't even get that low of a rating and movies tend to start with a high rating and drop. In this case people are obviously rating it bad before having seen it. The rating will go up, but it started so low because of obvious downvoting.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Sept 4, 2020 13:55:51 GMT
Yeah...I doubt the film itself is that bad.
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Post by dazz on Sept 4, 2020 14:20:21 GMT
82% isnt the score it's the ratio, the score is just over 7/10, also look at the amount of reviews, not that many as you would expect for a movie like this, so could be those who liked it put their reviews out asap but others not so much, where as for fans maybe the same, still a low number of people who voted on Mulan on IMDB, less than 2000 a far cry from the 10's or 100's of thousands you normally see, so who knows how it will play out. Yes, I know how RT works. On Metacritic the rating is the average rating of the combined reviews. 69 would be a fresh rating on RT. Compare those with the IMDB rating. Most bad mainstream movies don't even get that low of a rating and movies tend to start with a high rating and drop. In this case people are obviously rating it bad before having seen it. The rating will go up, but it started so low because of obvious downvoting. Then you should use the correct terminology, the RT % is meaningless and should never be used to discern a score or quality, a 100% movie can be a 6/10, a 0% movie can be a 5.9/10 so the % is literally meaningless and you stated the % as if it had meaning and didn't include the actual score. But yeah downvoting could be a stupid ploy, or not I dunno we'll have to wait and see, doubt the $30 price tag helped it any though, but still I say give it a day or two to see how it pans out for all we know both scores could level off in the same range and be between their current scores, or go higher, doubt they would go below 4/10 though, but I would laugh my arse off if it turns out those low votes are from pissed off parents because they had to shell out $30+ and it turned out their kids don't give a shit about Mulan so they just wasted the money. That happened with my dad when I was a teenager, he brought my sister like £50 worth of Barney toys, dvd's the lost for X-Mas only for my sister to be pissed because she had outgrown Barney at that point, she wanted Barbie and my dad misheard, so anytime Barney was on TV for like a year you would hear him muttering about that "stupid fucking purple prick"  .
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Post by politicidal on Sept 4, 2020 14:38:17 GMT
They did the same thing to Ghostbusters: Answer the Call the day of its release. Plus other more serious fare like The Promise and The Birth of a Nation.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 4, 2020 14:45:59 GMT
The downvoting definitely has something to do with the China controversy.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 14:48:29 GMT
Yes, I know how RT works. On Metacritic the rating is the average rating of the combined reviews. 69 would be a fresh rating on RT. Compare those with the IMDB rating. Most bad mainstream movies don't even get that low of a rating and movies tend to start with a high rating and drop. In this case people are obviously rating it bad before having seen it. The rating will go up, but it started so low because of obvious downvoting. Then you should use the correct terminology, the RT % is meaningless and should never be used to discern a score or quality, a 100% movie can be a 6/10, a 0% movie can be a 5.9/10 so the % is literally meaningless and you stated the % as if it had meaning and didn't include the actual scor But yeah downvoting could be a stupid ploy, or not I dunno we'll have to wait and see, doubt the $30 price tag helped it any though, but still I say give it a day or two to see how it pans out for all we know both scores could level off in the same range and be between their current scores, or go higher, doubt they would go below 4/10 though, but I would laugh my arse off if it turns out those low votes are from pissed off parents because they had to shell out $30+ and it turned out their kids don't give a shit about Mulan so they just wasted the money. That happened with my dad when I was a teenager, he brought my sister like £50 worth of Barney toys, dvd's the lost for X-Mas only for my sister to be pissed because she had outgrown Barney at that point, she wanted Barbie and my dad misheard, so anytime Barney was on TV for like a year you would hear him muttering about that "stupid fucking purple prick" . I don't find it necessary to be overly specific in certain cases. RT is a crap site, but the 82% percentage still means it isn't a bad movie. At the low end I would say 6.5/10, but that is the low end. I wasn't doing a math equation. 
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 4, 2020 14:53:27 GMT
I haven’t seen the cartoon version yet, so....
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Post by johnspartan on Sept 4, 2020 14:57:50 GMT
* Right-wingers pissed off that a movie has the temerity to have a non-white cast (a.k.a. the "anti-SJWs") Nobody is saying that, you're lying again. SJWs like you are complaining "Da Patriarchy gets let off da hook!" www.superherohype.com/movies/485981-mulan-review-mandatory-moralizing-mutes-mulans-majesty"For whatever reason, but most likely a combination of corporate cowardice and Chinese censors, this gender-bending tale has, ironically, been neutered. Just as plainly as under the Hays Code of the 1950s, characters designated as “good” may not do a single bad deed, and if they do, they must punish themselves for it first. At the risk of spoiling any specific beats in a very familiar story, this reduces every single character conflict to a minor misunderstanding that can never taint anyone’s absolute innate goodness. Maybe that’s fair in a movie aimed at all ages. But it ultimately has the effect of letting the patriarchy entirely off the hook in what ought to be a female empowerment story. Sure, they were over-zealous in not letting women in the army, but hey, Mulan told a lie! So…both sides!"
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 15:01:44 GMT
They did the same thing to Ghostbusters: Answer the Call the day of its release. Plus other more serious fare like The Promise and The Birth of a Nation. Yes, they did. Ghostbusters is terrible though, so they got it right by accident. The trailer for Mulan made it look like a well made sweeping epic that could rival the original. The downvoting here doesn't makes sense, unless you take into account the China political situation at the moment and the ridiculous rental price. Probably has much more to do with the former though, but I think people are also pissed off at Disney's greed.
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Post by dazz on Sept 4, 2020 15:06:12 GMT
Then you should use the correct terminology, the RT % is meaningless and should never be used to discern a score or quality, a 100% movie can be a 6/10, a 0% movie can be a 5.9/10 so the % is literally meaningless and you stated the % as if it had meaning and didn't include the actual scor But yeah downvoting could be a stupid ploy, or not I dunno we'll have to wait and see, doubt the $30 price tag helped it any though, but still I say give it a day or two to see how it pans out for all we know both scores could level off in the same range and be between their current scores, or go higher, doubt they would go below 4/10 though, but I would laugh my arse off if it turns out those low votes are from pissed off parents because they had to shell out $30+ and it turned out their kids don't give a shit about Mulan so they just wasted the money. That happened with my dad when I was a teenager, he brought my sister like £50 worth of Barney toys, dvd's the lost for X-Mas only for my sister to be pissed because she had outgrown Barney at that point, she wanted Barbie and my dad misheard, so anytime Barney was on TV for like a year you would hear him muttering about that "stupid fucking purple prick" . I don't find it necessary to be overly specific in certain cases. RT is a crap site, but the 82% percentage still means it isn't a bad movie. At the low end I would say 6.5/10, but that is the low end. I wasn't doing a math equation. You should because 82% can be a bad movie overall, minimal score for an 82% would be 4.9/10 , not like a positive grade on RT means it's a great movie, means it's better than average, which is why I ignore the % and check the scores, the scores tell you the average based on people's actual reviews, as such a "rotten" movie can have positive scores, look at Man Of Steel it's a "rotten" movie but it's got a "fresh" level score above 6/10, same with the reverse things like Suicide Squad and BVS have like 20% on the fresh meter, but they score in the 4/10 range, so literally a 22% and an 82% score can have a negligible difference in actual quality. Also look at TLJ that got overwhelming positive reviews and scores from critics, but got mostly negative revies and scores from fans 90% and 8.08/10 from critics to 43% and 5.4/10 from fans, also why I don't think a difference between the two scores is impossible without an agenda, sometimes critics just love movies people hate and vice versa, if it wasn't the case the horror genre wouldn't have thrived as well as it has in the past, critic usually hate horror movies, fans however love that shit.
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