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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 4, 2020 16:38:08 GMT
What a wonderfully subtle performance. But seriously, this is probably still my favorite live-action Joker. Like Keaton in the title role, a good part of it probably has to do with him being my first exposure to the character. Now, if you’d join me in the avant-garde of the new aesthetic.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 16:41:02 GMT
I like his performance, but he is a bit too silly at times. That works in the cartoon, but not so much in a gritty live-action movie like Batman (1989). He is also just sort of playing himself.
I starting liking his performance less after seeing Heath Ledger's insanely brilliant performance.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 4, 2020 16:45:30 GMT
I like his performance, but he is a bit too silly at times. That works in the cartoon, but not so much in a gritty live-action movie like Batman (1989). He is also just sort of playing himself. I starting liking his performance less after seeing Heath Ledger's insanely brilliant performance. 
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 16:48:50 GMT
I like his performance, but he is a bit too silly at times. That works in the cartoon, but not so much in a gritty live-action movie like Batman (1989). He is also just sort of playing himself. I starting liking his performance less after seeing Heath Ledger's insanely brilliant performance. Now that performance will never be topped.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 4, 2020 17:11:41 GMT
I do like Ledger's a tad more, but Nicholson remains very very good.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 4, 2020 17:17:03 GMT
I prefer Ledger (still haven't seen Joker 2019). Nicholson is fine, but I can't help but feel I'm not watching Joker so much as Jack Nicholson in makeup.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 4, 2020 17:22:52 GMT
I prefer Ledger (still haven't seen Joker 2019). Nicholson is fine, but I can't help but feel I'm not watching Joker so much as Jack Nicholson in makeup. Ledger really does disappear into the role. We never forget it’s Jack clowning around. |
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 4, 2020 17:55:21 GMT
I like his performance, but he is a bit too silly at times. That works in the cartoon, but not so much in a gritty live-action movie like Batman (1989). He is also just sort of playing himself. I starting liking his performance less after seeing Heath Ledger's insanely brilliant performance. That's sort of my feeling toward the '89 Batman altogether. I really liked it until I saw the Dark Knight movies, and after that the '89 movie just looked too silly by comparison. |
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Sept 4, 2020 18:06:22 GMT
Still the definitive Joker for me. Sorry Heath, no disrespect.
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Post by jcush on Sept 4, 2020 18:10:21 GMT
Performance wise, he's the third best Joker for me, but that's just a testament to how much I love Heath and Joaquin, because I love Jack's performance too. He's clearly having a blast playing the part.
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Post by johnspartan on Sept 4, 2020 18:11:02 GMT
Nicholson's Joker will never be topped. Sorry, NOT sorry to Brokeback Joker.
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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 4, 2020 18:14:32 GMT
I prefer Ledger (still haven't seen Joker 2019). Nicholson is fine, but I can't help but feel I'm not watching Joker so much as Jack Nicholson in makeup. No disrespect to Ledger or anything, but why is there this consensus that his Joker was like a profoundly faithful adaptation of the comic book character? He was great and all, but I don't think it was any more of a traditional Joker than Nicholson's was.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 4, 2020 18:15:11 GMT
Nicholson's Joker will never be topped. Sorry, NOT sorry to Brokeback Joker. Those performances showed how good an actor Ledger was.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 4, 2020 18:35:30 GMT
I prefer Ledger (still haven't seen Joker 2019). Nicholson is fine, but I can't help but feel I'm not watching Joker so much as Jack Nicholson in makeup. No disrespect to Ledger or anything, but why is there this consensus that his Joker was like a profoundly faithful adaptation of the comic book character? He was great and all, but I don't think it was any more of a traditional Joker than Nicholson's was. There is no “traditional” depiction of the Joker, but the one in TDK is true to the comics in the sense that he doesn’t have a clear backstory or even a real name. Also, his relationship with Batman is more inline with how it usually is in the comics. Making the Joker the one who killed Batman’s parents is a pretty drastic change.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 4, 2020 18:42:51 GMT
No disrespect to Ledger or anything, but why is there this consensus that his Joker was like a profoundly faithful adaptation of the comic book character? He was great and all, but I don't think it was any more of a traditional Joker than Nicholson's was. There is no “traditional” depiction of the Joker, but the one in TDK is true to the comics in the sense that he doesn’t have a clear backstory or even a real name. Also, his relationship with Batman is more inline with how it usually is in the comics. Making the Joker the one who killed Batman’s parents is a pretty drastic change. “You won’t kill me out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness. And I won’t kill you because you’re just too much fun. I think you and I are destined to do this forever." Sums up their relationship perfectly. |
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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 4, 2020 18:47:30 GMT
No disrespect to Ledger or anything, but why is there this consensus that his Joker was like a profoundly faithful adaptation of the comic book character? He was great and all, but I don't think it was any more of a traditional Joker than Nicholson's was. There is no “traditional” depiction of the Joker, but the one in TDK is true to the comics in the sense that he doesn’t have a clear backstory or even a real name. Also, his relationship with Batman is more inline with how it usually is in the comics. Making the Joker the one who killed Batman’s parents is a pretty drastic change. I thought they said his name was like "Melvin White" or something.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 18:49:11 GMT
No disrespect to Ledger or anything, but why is there this consensus that his Joker was like a profoundly faithful adaptation of the comic book character? He was great and all, but I don't think it was any more of a traditional Joker than Nicholson's was. There is no “traditional” depiction of the Joker, but the one in TDK is true to the comics in the sense that he doesn’t have a clear backstory or even a real name. Also, his relationship with Batman is more inline with how it usually is in the comics. Making the Joker the one who killed Batman’s parents is a pretty drastic change. That has nothing to do with Jack Nicholson's acting though.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 18:49:40 GMT
I like his performance, but he is a bit too silly at times. That works in the cartoon, but not so much in a gritty live-action movie like Batman (1989). He is also just sort of playing himself. I starting liking his performance less after seeing Heath Ledger's insanely brilliant performance. Exactly. Burton is working off that aesthetic. He isn't attempting the edgier Batman that was, at the time, still clawing it’s way out of the tongue-in-cheek parody the Batman characters were reduced to on TV. There’s some Dark Knight in the suited up Michael Keaton, but Jack Nicholson’s Jack Napier (Jack-o-Napes)/Joker “kills” and overshadows the Batman. Where both Ledger and Phoenix’s Jokers fail, in my opinion, is the Joker character usually has a blast just being his evil self. There is no self-loathing or pity in Jack Napier, where as the latter two are ironic Charlie Masons. Nicholson is Tommy Udo. When Jack says put on a happy face, he means it.  Let’s go crazy...let’s go nuts. I get what you are saying, but I disagree. I know what Burton was going for and it only works to a point imo. Nicholson and Burton's Joker is no Mark Hamill from Batman: TAS. Nolan's version is a different thing entirely, but still fits with the comic book version. He is going off of Frank Miller's more dark serious vision.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 4, 2020 18:50:39 GMT
That works in the cartoonExactly. Burton is working off that aesthetic. He isn't attempting the edgier Batman that was, at the time, still clawing it’s way out of the tongue-in-cheek parody the Batman characters were reduced to on TV. There’s some Dark Knight in the suited up Michael Keaton, but Jack Nicholson’s Jack Napier (Jack-o-Napes)/Joker “kills” and overshadows the Batman. Where both Ledger and Phoenix’s Jokers fail, in my opinion, is the Joker character usually has a blast just being his evil self. There is no self-loathing or pity in Jack Napier, where as the latter two are ironic Charlie Masons. Nicholson is Tommy Udo. When Jack says put on a happy face, he means it. Let’s go crazy...let’s go nuts. I am not in the mood tosay. Are you of a mind to make some mookie? |
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 4, 2020 18:55:57 GMT
I am not in the mood tosay. Are you of a mind to make some mookie? I don't know what that means.
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