avocadojoe
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Post by avocadojoe on Sept 7, 2020 19:00:41 GMT
"It being boring." Yes. Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. This is the EXACT reason I would rather watch "Glen or Glenda" than "Schindlers List" seven days a week. SL is dullsville and GOG is fascinating.
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Post by Ass_E9 on Sept 7, 2020 21:29:20 GMT
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 7, 2020 21:40:59 GMT
Mumbling actors not taught to project their words properly and sound personnel who don't "mike" them to correct their lack of speaking ability !
That and lousy scripts that rely on f-bombs to express all emotions.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 14, 2020 17:19:42 GMT
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 14, 2020 17:34:30 GMT
That's an easy place to lay the blame, and I understand the argument. To be sure a strong screenplay can only make for a better movie, of course. However, 100% of the time, I assure you, it's the direction. A so-so director can take a brilliant screenplay and make a fucked up movie based on it, and a brilliant director can take a so-so script and still make a brilliant movie. Why? Because movies are a visual medium, not a literary medium. You want something brilliantly written, go read a novel. You want a brilliant movie? Follow brilliant directors.Case in point: Watch some of the movies you think are masterpieces and try to follow it by story alone. You'll see a good number of those movies actually have a pretty slim script. Almost all of Stanley Kubricks movies have scripts that are barely there. There's hardly a script at all in 2001 A Space Odyssey, one of the best movies of all time! One studio actually shot down E.T. The Extraterrestrial in favor of Starman because of the script. We all know how that turned out. Mad Max: Fury Road barely has a story and maybe 20, 30 lines of dialog! But in reverse, most truly good directors suggest you watch your favorite movies with the sound off. Why? Because you can still see and understand the story, even without sound. Movies are a visual medium, so if the director cant tell a movie with sights alone, no screenplay can save it.David's Lean's Ryan's Daughter - 70' got critically panned, (it was still relatively successful) for its lack of story painted over a massive canvas. Hello! That was the point. Lean told much of his story visually, by conveying the imagery within the emotions of the characters. Nature and the environment were just as much a major character as anything else. I found it sublime and I even knew this when I was 8yrs old and saw it at the cinema in 70mm.
Even Blade Runner - 82', doesn't have much of story, yet that packs a stunning visual sci-fi wallop and where most of the substance lies, which is reflected in the style.
Yes, Blade Runner is an excellent example of a movie with barely any story. But the visual storytelling is so powerful that its become a masterpiece. Days of Heaven (and pretty much all of Terence Malicks films) and yes, Ryans Daughter are all good examples too. p.s. good on you for having seen that in 70mm, 1st run. What a memory!
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Post by dirtypillows on Sept 15, 2020 4:44:23 GMT
Yes, Blade Runner is an excellent example of a movie with barely any story. But the visual storytelling is so powerful that its become a masterpiece. Days of Heaven (and pretty much all of Terence Malicks films) and yes, Ryans Daughter are all good examples too. p.s. good on you for having seen that in 70mm, 1st run. What a memory! I need to rewatch Malick’s Badlands. Ryan’s Daughter was actually a re-release mid 70’s. Just a toddler when first released. Only went by chance one evening, cause the re-release Of Fiddler On The Roof was sold out. Ended up seeing that about a week later as it was my older sisters B Day and it was her choice. My mother let us have a day off school for that one. I liked it as well, just not as nuanced as RD. I have always loved "Badlands". I think it's a beautiful, emotionally stirring film. I love the score.
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Post by dirtypillows on Sept 15, 2020 21:09:48 GMT
I have always loved "Badlands". I think it's a beautiful, emotionally stirring film. I love the score. I bought it on DVD not long ago. Have seen a few times yonks ago. Not a big fan of Malick, but I don’t mind Badlands. Sheen and Spacek were well cast. Yes, they were!
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maxwellperfect
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Post by maxwellperfect on Sept 15, 2020 22:56:27 GMT
Not sure if it goes more to writing or acting, but I have to be able to believe the world of the movie, that the actors are the characters they are portraying, and that they inhabit a world with certain rules, customs, contours, etc. where their actions have certain consequences. In the case of a fantasy or science fiction movie, I can overlook cheap f/x and sets, but at some point I have to believe the story (with suspension of disbelief as necessary) or it's a no-go.
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