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Post by NJtoTX on Sept 6, 2020 22:58:33 GMT
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Post by _ on Sept 6, 2020 23:11:12 GMT
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 6, 2020 23:30:17 GMT
Lou Brock from the Cubs to the Cardinals for Ernie Broglio, still one of the worst trades in history (it wasn't straight up, there were other pieces but they weren't much). But, in 1963, Broglio was 18-8, 2.99 ERA, 1.168 WHIP. In 1963, Lou Brock hit .258 and was 24 of 36 in steal attempts. Broglio was 7-19, 5.40 ERA, 1.288 WHIP. Lou Brock was HOF bound. St. Louis robbed Chicago. The cubs didn't know that Broglio was getting too many cortisone shots and his arm was ready to fall off. You have to wonder how that 1969 Cubs team would have done with Brock setting the table for Ron Santo, Billy Williams, Ernie Banks...
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Post by millar70 on Sept 7, 2020 1:21:49 GMT
RIP to one of the class guys of that era.
Tom Seaver, now Lou Brock.....they say these things happen in threes, I'm hoping Yaz isn't #3.
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Post by fjenkins on Sept 7, 2020 16:23:36 GMT
Really sad, first Seaver, now Lou.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 7, 2020 16:32:41 GMT
Really sad, first Seaver, now Lou. Deaths like this ususally comes in threes. Who #3?
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Post by Rufus-T on Sept 7, 2020 16:49:41 GMT
Two baseball giants passed away this week. Lou Brock was Ricky Henderson before Ricky Henderson, with a better attitude. Or, we can say Ricky Henderson is the later Lou Brock, who stole more bases.
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Post by NJtoTX on Sept 7, 2020 17:22:47 GMT
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Post by _ on Sept 7, 2020 17:34:05 GMT
Two baseball giants passed away this week. Lou Brock was Ricky Henderson before Ricky Henderson, with a better attitude. Or, we can say Ricky Henderson is the later Lou Brock, who stole more bases.
Runs (R)
Rickey Henderson 2,295 Lou Brock 1,610 Home Runs (HR)
Rickey Henderson 297 Lou Brock 149 Runs Batted In (RBI)
Rickey Henderson 1,115 Lou Brock 900 Stolen Bases (SB)
Rickey Henderson 1,406 Lou Brock 938
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 7, 2020 18:13:43 GMT
The leading active SB leader is Dee Gordon. His 331 steals put him in 127th place all time. Henderson's 1406 steals is so far out there. Is it unbreakable? Rickey wasn't the fastest player ever. But he was the greatest leadoff hitter ever. And there was an art to stealing bases. In 1974, the A's signed world class sprinter Herb Washington as the "Designated runner". Herb couldn't play baseball to save his life but Charlie O. Finley seen him as a guaranteed steal. put him in after someone got a single and Washington could steal 2nd, 3rd and home easily. He had no baseball instincts. He stole 29 and got caught 16 times. I don't think Henderson's record will ever be broken. By all rights, Henderson should have batted third, he was that good of a hitter. Guys who bat 3rd can't steal 1400 bases.
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Post by Rufus-T on Sept 7, 2020 18:28:24 GMT
And there was an art to stealing bases. Most definitely, there is an art and an instinct in knowing how to steal. Paul O'Neill can not be said to be one of the fastest runner, yet there were seasons that he would steal 20 and hardly get caught. On the other hand Brett Gardner, one of the fastest base runner, except for one year, he hardly steals for someone with his speed.
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