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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 13, 2020 20:58:21 GMT
I just go where the evidence leads me. No. The evidence points to all the space programs being legit. People can look at the evidence and decide for themselves.
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 20:58:26 GMT
I could provide enough evidence to support the notion that covid-19 was invented to help save Big Tobacco by destroying the vaping market. In fact, I could present a very believable case for it. But is that really where the evidence leads me, or it is just my interpretation of the evidence? It's easy to get so involved and so passionate about what you believe that you become (willfully?) blind as to who or what the leader actually is. Anything can be found if you look hard enough, even if it isn't really there. Conspiracy theorists look for conspiracies... Whatever you have to tell yourself, John. I've never said there isn't a real space station because I don't know, but if there is a real one why don't they show us real videos of it, instead of these CGI specials? Actually, I was telling you, Erjen. Here it is another way: confirmation bias: the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values Not very many people are able to see that in themselves, and riding the fence is often just a way to avoid being "wrong."
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 13, 2020 21:00:40 GMT
Whatever you have to tell yourself, John. I've never said there isn't a real space station because I don't know, but if there is a real one why don't they show us real videos of it, instead of these CGI specials? Actually, I was telling you, Erjen. Here it is another way: confirmation bias: the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values Not very many people are able to see that in themselves, and riding the fence is often just a way to avoid being "wrong." FYI, I didn't want it [the conspiracy of the fake ISS] to be true. I still don't, but the evidence suggests that it is.
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 21:03:20 GMT
Actually, I was telling you, Erjen. Here it is another way: confirmation bias: the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values Not very many people are able to see that in themselves, and riding the fence is often just a way to avoid being "wrong." FYI, I didn't want it [the conspiracy of the fake ISS]to be true. I still don't. Can't you "decide for yourself"?
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Post by movieliker on Sept 13, 2020 21:07:03 GMT
No. The evidence points to all the space programs being legit. People can look at the evidence and decide for themselves. And most people believe the obvious. The space programs are legit. There will always be a lunatic fringe. That's where you are.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 13, 2020 21:13:26 GMT
FYI, I didn't want it [the conspiracy of the fake ISS]to be true. I still don't. Can't you "decide for yourself"? I already did decide for myself. I still like science-fiction, but now I know it isn't science. It's fiction. As long as you look at it as entertainment it's harmless. This crap about in the future you'll be able to fly through space and vacation on other planets.....not gonna happen, my friend.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 13, 2020 21:15:28 GMT
People can look at the evidence and decide for themselves. And most people believe the obvious. The space programs are legit. There will always be a lunatic fringe. That's where you are. ^ Triggered.
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 21:24:28 GMT
Can't you "decide for yourself"? I already did decide for myself. I still like science-fiction, but now I know it isn't science. It's fiction. As long as you look at it as entertainment it's harmless. This crap about in the future you'll be able to fly through space and vacation on other planets.....not gonna happen, my friend. If you don't want to believe what you do believe, then you aren't deciding for yourself.
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Post by movieliker on Sept 13, 2020 21:35:19 GMT
And most people believe the obvious. The space programs are legit. There will always be a lunatic fringe. That's where you are. ^ Triggered. Was that your goal? Annoying people with outrageously ridiculous claims?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 13, 2020 21:40:50 GMT
Was that your goal? Annoying people with outrageously ridiculous claims? I wasn't annoying you. I was annoying PaulsLaugh, and then you came along and butted in.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 13, 2020 21:43:17 GMT
I already did decide for myself. I still like science-fiction, but now I know it isn't science. It's fiction. As long as you look at it as entertainment it's harmless. This crap about in the future you'll be able to fly through space and vacation on other planets.....not gonna happen, my friend. If you don't want to believe what you do believe, then you aren't deciding for yourself. Well if I'm not deciding for myself who is? You're making it sound like you aren't deciding for yourself unless you like what you decide. Is that it?
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 21:49:57 GMT
If you don't want to believe what you do believe, then you aren't deciding for yourself. Well if I'm not deciding for myself who is? You're making it sound like you aren't deciding for yourself unless you like what you decide. Is that it? Hey now, you're the one who said you didn't want to believe what you do, as if you have no choice.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 13, 2020 21:54:37 GMT
Well if I'm not deciding for myself who is? You're making it sound like you aren't deciding for yourself unless you like what you decide. Is that it? Hey now, you're the one who said you didn't want to believe what you do, as if you have no choice. Of course, I have a choice. All of us do. George Orwell once said of himself that he had an ability to deal with unpleasant facts. I have the same ability.
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 21:58:50 GMT
Hey now, you're the one who said you didn't want to believe what you do, as if you have no choice. Of course, I have a choice. All of us do. George Orwell once said of himself that he had an ability to deal with unpleasant facts. I have the same ability. So you choose what you don't want? Well, alrighty then.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 13, 2020 22:03:09 GMT
Of course, I have a choice. All of us do. George Orwell once said of himself that he had an ability to deal with unpleasant facts. I have the same ability. So you choose what you don't want? Well, alrighty then. I can choose what I want to be true, but I can't make it true by wanting it.
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 22:56:30 GMT
So you choose what you don't want? Well, alrighty then. I can choose what I want to be true, but I can't make it true by wanting it. I agree; if something is true (or not), it's going to remain true (or not) regardless of whether or not anyone believes it. However, you said you don't want it to be true, but that you believe it anyway because that's where the evidence led you. It's either a choice or it isn't. If the evidence is what's making you believe something despite your desire not to believe it, it isn't a choice. But here you are, saying you decide for yourself what to believe. Are you going to eat that cake or what?
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 13, 2020 23:09:35 GMT
My ex-girlfriend is as straight as they come.
That makes her more straight than me.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 13, 2020 23:13:07 GMT
I can choose what I want to be true, but I can't make it true by wanting it. I agree; if something is true (or not), it's going to remain true (or not) regardless of whether or not anyone believes it. However, you said you don't want it to be true, but that you believe it anyway because that's where the evidence led you. It's either a choice or it isn't. If the evidence is what's making you believe something despite your desire not to believe it, it isn't a choice. But here you are, saying you decide for yourself what to believe. Are you going to eat that cake or what? It is very possible to block out information that you realized was true at one point and go back to legitimately believing what you prefer to believe. The choice to block it out fully is a choice, but once you are past the point where you don't even remember the truth anymore, but only what you want to believe that is no longer a choice. It is self-deception of the highest order. I realize looking back at your reply that we might be talking about something slightly different.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 13, 2020 23:21:28 GMT
I can choose what I want to be true, but I can't make it true by wanting it. I agree; if something is true (or not), it's going to remain true (or not) regardless of whether or not anyone believes it. However, you said you don't want it to be true, but that you believe it anyway because that's where the evidence led you. It's either a choice or it isn't. If the evidence is what's making you believe something despite your desire not to believe it, it isn't a choice. But here you are, saying you decide for yourself what to believe. Are you going to eat that cake or what? Oh, sure it is. If I wanted to tell myself that the pictures of the ISS aren't faked I certainly have the power to do so.
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 23:30:15 GMT
I agree; if something is true (or not), it's going to remain true (or not) regardless of whether or not anyone believes it. However, you said you don't want it to be true, but that you believe it anyway because that's where the evidence led you. It's either a choice or it isn't. If the evidence is what's making you believe something despite your desire not to believe it, it isn't a choice. But here you are, saying you decide for yourself what to believe. Are you going to eat that cake or what? Oh, sure it is. If I wanted to tell myself that the pictures of the ISS aren't faked I certainly have the power to do so. You can tell yourself whatever you want to, but this is about whether or not you're choosing to believe it. No matter how much I want to believe that I'm not sitting at a desk right now composing a response to you, I just can't...at least not rationally. And I can tell myself that two plus two equals negative seven thousand, but I couldn't believe it. It is impossible to lie to oneself.
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