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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 0:12:45 GMT
If you really believe the lies you tell yourself, you need help. After all, don't you know when you're telling a lie?  Are you saying you can gaslight yourself? lol. If you truly believe that what you say is the truth when it isn't, you're merely wrong. And yes, you do know when you're lying and when you aren't, so to actually believe yourself when you know you're lying is to be in need of professional help.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 0:12:46 GMT
I'll accept that. I just didn't realize that still fell under the confirmation bias umbrella. It's not that wide. Blocking out only what you don't want to believe in order to confirm what you do want to believe is another way of saying confirmation bias. I see the 2 as different, but that might just be my lack of me connecting the dots in my brain. I get confused sometimes.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 0:15:42 GMT
It's not that wide. Blocking out only what you don't want to believe in order to confirm what you do want to believe is another way of saying confirmation bias. Exactly! About six times I've put up the link about babies born with both male and female genitalia, and the hospitals arbitrarily decide which gender the child is to be, and in most cases the parents are never informed. And it gets ignored......because people don't want to believe it. The exceptions don't make the rules. If you're not born a 50/50 hermaphrodite, you don't get to choose your gender and thus this discussion isn't about you.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 0:15:50 GMT
It's not that wide. Blocking out only what you don't want to believe in order to confirm what you do want to believe is another way of saying confirmation bias. Exactly! About six times I've put up the link about babies born with both male and female genitalia, and the hospitals arbitrarily decide which gender the child is to be, and in most cases the parents are never informed.
And it gets ignored......because people don't want to believe it. You have to first provide proof that that is happening. One link isn't going to cut it. I am perfectly willing to believe that is happening, but I need multiple sources from multiple websites.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 0:16:39 GMT
Are you saying you can gaslight yourself? lol. If you truly believe that what you say is the truth when it isn't, you're merely wrong. And yes, you do know when you're lying and when you aren't, so to actually believe yourself when you know you're lying is to be in need of professional help. Prove it.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 0:17:47 GMT
It's not that wide. Blocking out only what you don't want to believe in order to confirm what you do want to believe is another way of saying confirmation bias. I see the 2 as different, but that might just be my lack of me connecting the dots in my brain. I get confused sometimes. Nah, you just got ahead of the discussion. It's a vicious beast because of what it can make people truly and adamantly believe, even if it's not at all true.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 0:19:15 GMT
Are you saying you can gaslight yourself? lol. If you truly believe that what you say is the truth when it isn't, you're merely wrong. And yes, you do know when you're lying and when you aren't, so to actually believe yourself when you know you're lying is to be in need of professional help. Prove it. I already did: "If you truly believe that what you say is the truth when it isn't, you're merely wrong."Lies are intentional.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 0:20:44 GMT
I already did: "If you truly believe that what you say is the truth when it isn't, you're merely wrong."Lies are intentional. I think I forgot how the conversation started and how we got to this point.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 14, 2020 0:22:37 GMT
Are you saying you can gaslight yourself? lol. If you truly believe that what you say is the truth when it isn't, you're merely wrong. And yes, you do know when you're lying and when you aren't, so to actually believe yourself when you know you're lying is to be in need of professional help. No, I'm saying you're trying to gaslight me. It's been tried before.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 0:26:09 GMT
I already did: "If you truly believe that what you say is the truth when it isn't, you're merely wrong."Lies are intentional. Okay. I see the problem...I think. I misunderstood what you were saying and now I think I understand. Now I am just angry and frustrated. Have a good night.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 0:27:31 GMT
I already did: "If you truly believe that what you say is the truth when it isn't, you're merely wrong."Lies are intentional. I don't understand. I am not lying. The dots aren't connecting in my brain. If you actually believe you're telling the truth when you say 2+2=5, you aren't lying; you're just wrong. It's only a lie when you know what you're saying isn't true but you say it anyway. lie: Tell an untruth; pretend with intent to deceive
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 0:28:56 GMT
Are you saying you can gaslight yourself? lol. If you truly believe that what you say is the truth when it isn't, you're merely wrong. And yes, you do know when you're lying and when you aren't, so to actually believe yourself when you know you're lying is to be in need of professional help. No, I'm saying you're trying to gaslight me. It's been tried before. By telling you that being wrong isn't the same as lying? 
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 0:33:23 GMT
Now I am just angry and frustrated. Have a good night. lol. Sorry. Have a good one. 
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 14, 2020 0:33:44 GMT
Exactly! About six times I've put up the link about babies born with both male and female genitalia, and the hospitals arbitrarily decide which gender the child is to be, and in most cases the parents are never informed. And it gets ignored......because people don't want to believe it. The exceptions don't make the rules. If you're not born a 50/50 hermaphrodite, you don't get to choose your gender and thus this discussion isn't about you. The docs who do the surgery on them aren't choosing it either. They may think they are but they're not. They're either guessing right or they're guessing wrong. And when they guess wrong then we have people commonly referred to as transgender, but......it's just so much simpler to say that these things don't happen, or even if they do happen the gender will be determined by the genitalia.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 0:38:21 GMT
If you actually believe you're telling the truth when you say 2+2=5, you aren't lying; you're just wrong. It's only a lie when you know what you're saying isn't true but you say it anyway. lie: Tell an untruth; pretend with intent to deceiveYes, I know all that. That stuff is obvious. That isn't what I thought you were saying before though and that isn't what I am talking about. I have extreme obsessive thought disorder though, meaning I become so obsessed on both ideas I like and ideas I dislike to such an extent that I have considered getting a lobotomy or committing suicide. This makes lying to myself a necessity of survival. It also jumbles all of your thoughts in an incohesive mess. I also have a bad memory, so I will sometimes forget how a conversation started. My bad memory is also why I am able to believe my own lies. I don;t remember what the truth once was, so the lie has become my truth. It also makes it difficult to explain what I mean in a way that other people can understand. 
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 0:40:52 GMT
Yes, I know all that. That stuff is obvious. That isn't what I thought you were saying before though and that isn't what I am talking about. I have extreme obsessive thought disorder though, meaning I become so obsessed on both ideas I like and ideas I dislike to such an extent that I have considered getting a lobotomy or committing suicide. This makes lying to myself a necessity of survival. It also jumbles all of your thoughts in an incohesive mess. I also have a bad memory, so I will sometimes forget how a conversation started. My bad memory is also why I am able to believe my own lies. I don;t remember what the truth once was, so the lie has become my truth. It also makes it difficult to explain what I mean in a way that other people can understand. I don't think that is what I am doing, but if you think it is then cool.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 0:41:16 GMT
The exceptions don't make the rules. If you're not born a 50/50 hermaphrodite, you don't get to choose your gender and thus this discussion isn't about you. The docs who do the surgery on them aren't choosing it either. They may think they are but they're not. They're either guessing right or they're guessing wrong. And when they guess wrong then we have people commonly referred to as transgender, but......it's just so much simpler to say that these things don't happen, or even if they do happen the gender will be determined by the genitalia. Non sequitur. What doctors decide to put on a hermaphrodite's birth certificate is irrelevant.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 0:42:42 GMT
I don't think that is what I am doing, but if you think it is then cool. Actually, no. It's what I'm doing as evidenced by your response: "Yes, I know all that. That stuff is obvious."
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 14, 2020 0:46:09 GMT
The docs who do the surgery on them aren't choosing it either. They may think they are but they're not. They're either guessing right or they're guessing wrong. And when they guess wrong then we have people commonly referred to as transgender, but......it's just so much simpler to say that these things don't happen, or even if they do happen the gender will be determined by the genitalia. Non sequitur. What doctors decide to put on a hermaphrodite's birth certificate is irrelevant. I beg to differ. You've currently got a long-running thread on this board about it, and I think it amply illustrates the capacity of the human mind to deny evidence which supports a disturbing possibility. Same principle with the space program. Decades of lies and deception coming apart at the seams because people are spotting the errors in the deception. It's too intense, man. Too intense.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 0:48:59 GMT
I don't think that is what I am doing, but if you think it is then cool. Actually, no. It's what I'm doing as evidenced by your response: "Yes, I know all that. That stuff is obvious." I am completely lost now and too lazy to retrace my steps. 
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