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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 8, 2020 21:08:46 GMT
Out of all the Marvel properties out there, these two are the ones that managed to experience the greatest amount of success on the big screen, without being part of a larger Marvel universe. But which one would people say works best as its own standalone property?
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Post by hobowar on Sept 8, 2020 21:14:16 GMT
Spider-Man has done better outside of the MCU than X-Men has in my opinion.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 8, 2020 22:05:23 GMT
In theory or in practice?
In theory, the X-Men would work better being separate, since they're such a huge group of heroes who work at a large scale that it would be difficult to explain why they don't cross paths with the Avengers in every movie they're in.
Spiderman works better being linked to the Avengers because he's more a small time hero and it's possible to isolate his stories whenever he needs to have a solo movie yet he also transitions easily to the Avengers given his personality.
Of course in practice, the X-Men were pretty much handled horribly by Fox outside of a few good movies and they're sorely in need of saving by the MCU. Spiderman, on the other hand, outside a few duds has been relatively successful with their movies.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 8, 2020 22:07:56 GMT
In theory or in practice? In theory, the X-Men would work better being separate, since they're such a huge group of heroes who work at a large scale that it would be difficult to explain why they don't cross paths with the Avengers in every movie they're in. Spiderman works better being linked to the Avengers because he's more a small time hero and it's possible to isolate his stories whenever he needs to have a solo movie yet he also transitions easily to the Avengers given his personality. Of course in practice, the X-Men were pretty much handled horribly by Fox outside of a few good movies and they're sorely in need of saving by the MCU. Spiderman, on the other hand, outside a few duds has been relatively successful with their movies. In theory, I guess.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 8, 2020 22:20:11 GMT
Spider-Man
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 8, 2020 22:22:25 GMT
Steve Ditko said having Spider-man in the Marvel Universe was a short term gain but a long term loss.
But you could say every character would benefit more from stand alone. There may be exceptions but
I mean, a Ghost Rider is more interesting if he premieres without having a Thor or Hulk running around in the news.
Blade the movie would have been ruined if it was established he lived in the same universe as the FF.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 8, 2020 22:32:28 GMT
In theory or in practice? In theory, the X-Men would work better being separate, since they're such a huge group of heroes who work at a large scale that it would be difficult to explain why they don't cross paths with the Avengers in every movie they're in. Spiderman works better being linked to the Avengers because he's more a small time hero and it's possible to isolate his stories whenever he needs to have a solo movie yet he also transitions easily to the Avengers given his personality. Of course in practice, the X-Men were pretty much handled horribly by Fox outside of a few good movies and they're sorely in need of saving by the MCU. Spiderman, on the other hand, outside a few duds has been relatively successful with their movies. In theory, I guess. Ok then yeah, X-Men would work better separate. Like I said, they're a big group and they tend to face bigger scale threats.... threats that would definitely call the attention of the Avengers and vice versa. It would be hard to explain when having a big scale battle in an X-Men movie why the Avengers won't come swooping in to investigate. And the fact that the X-Men mythos is based on a good chunk of humanity developing mutant powers would pose a lot of complications for the Avengers world where there are only a few known superpowered individuals. Also, crossovers would be a huge pain considering the number of participants and power levels involved. Spiderman is much easier to integrate into the MCU since he's small enough to easily join an Avengers movie or do a standalone when necessary. The threats he deals with are also small enough that it can fly under the radar of the Avengers and won't necessitate him needing to call for help everytime. It's the same reason why the Defenders can also belong in the same MCU. In other words, the MCU isn't big enough to handle two giant superpowered teams.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 8, 2020 23:58:17 GMT
I enjoyed most of the XMEN movies, so I’ll go with that.
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Post by James on Sept 9, 2020 0:04:31 GMT
Spider-Man
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 9, 2020 20:11:45 GMT
Why is Superman not an option?
Spider-man has a long history of teaming up with other heroes. He was the star of most of Marvel Team-up. Members of the X-men and other mutants have been Avengers. So I'm going with The Maxx.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 9, 2020 20:14:40 GMT
Why is Superman not an option? ? Superman isn’t part of the Marvel universe.
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Post by hobowar on Sept 9, 2020 20:16:30 GMT
Why is Superman not an option? Spider-man has a long history of teaming up with other heroes. He was the star of most of Marvel Team-up. Members of the X-men and other mutants have been Avengers. So I'm going with The Maxx. #givesupermantomarvel
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 10, 2020 1:37:49 GMT
Why is Superman not an option? ? Superman isn’t part of the Marvel universe. Well, you asked which would be better off not being a part of the Marvel. Both of the ones you listed would be better off. Rogue should have Captain Marvel. Beast should have the Avengers. You also have Wanda. Spider-man has always been a major part of all of Marvel. So my pick is The Maxx. The Crow is another good pick for being better off without the Marvel universe.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 10, 2020 2:45:40 GMT
? Superman isn’t part of the Marvel universe. Well, you asked which would be better off not being a part of the Marvel. Both of the ones you listed would be better off. Rogue should have Captain Marvel. Beast should have the Avengers. You also have Wanda. Spider-man has always been a major part of all of Marvel. So my pick is The Maxx. The Crow is another good pick for being better off without the Marvel universe. My question was essentially that if one of these properties were to hypothetically be sold off wholesale to a different company, which one should it be? Comic book characters from other companies are irrelevant to that question.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 10, 2020 15:56:38 GMT
Well, you asked which would be better off not being a part of the Marvel. Both of the ones you listed would be better off. Rogue should have Captain Marvel. Beast should have the Avengers. You also have Wanda. Spider-man has always been a major part of all of Marvel. So my pick is The Maxx. The Crow is another good pick for being better off without the Marvel universe. My question was essentially that if one of these properties were to hypothetically be sold off wholesale to a different company, which one should it be? Comic book characters from other companies are irrelevant to that question. At this point that is nowhere near a hypothetical selling off of one of them. lol If anything Marvel will buy DC and Image if they wanted. But, anyway, I'd still say neither.
Also, your title and your post makes it like which one should not be a part of the MCU. Not if one couldn't be a part of the MCU.
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Post by Marv on Sept 10, 2020 22:03:25 GMT
I think Spiderman fits marvels tone better. I'd be more interested in non-MCU Xmen films, especially ones rated R or dipping into different genres like New Mutants was SUPPOSED to do.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Sept 11, 2020 2:11:54 GMT
I think the issue with MCU Spider-Man is f'n Sony's mitts all over it yes?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 11, 2020 11:04:27 GMT
Probably the X-Men to be honest.
Spider-man is better off being part of a larger universe.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 11, 2020 23:49:24 GMT
I think Spiderman fits marvels tone better. I'd be more interested in non-MCU Xmen films, especially ones rated R or dipping into different genres like New Mutants was SUPPOSED to do. Does it? Fox X-men movies are pretty close to the MCU's tone. For some reason, people that like the X-men movies over the MCU don't like to admit it has the same humor. The problem is RDJ's charisma is so high that he overshadows everyone in X-men. Even Jackman (who also has high charisma).
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