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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 9, 2020 1:16:15 GMT
The Evil Dead
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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 9, 2020 1:29:30 GMT
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 9, 2020 1:57:41 GMT
Is that movie NC-17? I'm seeing different results when I look it up.
In 1994, the MPAA gave it its official rating, an NC-17, for "substantial graphic horror violence and gore." |
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Post by Captain Spencer on Sept 9, 2020 3:16:21 GMT
Here's what I've seen on your list:
The Canterbury Tales - good
Arabian Nights - good
Pink Flamingos - good
Last Tango In Paris - hightly acclaimed, but I didn't really care for it
Showgirls - good
Bad Lieutenant - fair
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover - good
Crash - fair
Female Trouble - fair
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 9, 2020 6:02:55 GMT
Bad Lieutenant (1992) - very good
Blue Is the Warmest Colour (2013) - eh, a little pretentious
Last Tango in Paris (1972) -very good
Lust, Caution (2007) -pretty food
Man Bites Dog (1992) -pretty good
Orgazmo (1997) -funny stuff
Pink Flamingos (1972) -not my thing
Shame (2011) -pretty good
Showgirls (1995) -not very good
Hard to Die (1990) -awful
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 9, 2020 6:14:30 GMT
Bad Lieutenant (1992) - pretty good
Bent (1997) - meh
Blue Is the Warmest Colour (2013) - meh
The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover (1989) - very good
Crash (1996) - good
A Dirty Shame (2004) - bad
The Dreamers (2003) - good
Henry & June (1990) - good
Inserts (1975) - meh
Last Tango in Paris (1972) - good
Lust, Caution (2007) - good
Orgazmo (1997) - bad
A Serbian Film (2010) - bad
Shame (2011) - very good
Showgirls (1995) - meh
Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down! (1989) - bad
Whore (1991) - meh
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Post by onethreetwo on Sept 9, 2020 6:29:47 GMT
I quite like The Dreamers (2003).
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Sept 9, 2020 6:33:22 GMT
Here's a list of NC-17 movies:
Bad Education (2004) Bad Lieutenant (1992) Beyond the Valley of the Dolls (1970) Blue Is the Warmest Colour (2013) The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover (1989)
Crash (1996) Female Trouble (1974) Henry & June (1990) Last Tango in Paris (1972) Pink Flamingos (1972) Shame (2011)
Showgirls (1995) Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down! (1989)
Wadd: The Life & Times of John C. Holmes (1999) Whore (1991)
Wide Sargasso Sea (1993)
Would you say any of these are "good" movies? 
Also, which ones have you seen?  I've definitely seen what I left listed.
Great: Bad Lieutenant The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover Shame
Most of the rest are very good to good with Showgirls at or near the bottom. Eyes Wide Shut isn't NC-17? That would be tops for me if it is.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 9, 2020 6:37:15 GMT
Many US R rated films today would have first been slapped with an X or NC17 before the millennial hit. Many of those films would likely be re-rated R today, unless there is explicit sexual content with graphic nudity. I never got the issue with many exhibitors refusing to screen NC17 films in the US. Most countries do restrict certain films to specific ages and over and rightly so. Another goony loony American notion of bureaucracy. And don’t get me started on the absurd language guidelines for a PG13 which can edge it into ‘R’ territory for a sprinkling of f<>ks only. These films then are in the same category as torture porn films that get rated ‘R’. The difference between R and NC-17 in the U.S. is that anyone under 17 can't go see an NC-17 movie even with a parent. I agree it is a silly distinction, but I also understand it. It has to do with the U.S. being bothered by sex and nudity much more than most other countries. Most movies that get the NC-17 rating are for sex and nudity. The ratings are mostly to let parents know what they what they will and won't be okay with their children watching and that even extends to adults as well. If some adults are bothered by blood and fuck then it is to let them know they probably want to stay away from R-rated movies.
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Post by Vits on Sept 9, 2020 10:56:53 GMT
It seems like movies that get this rating are those that try to be provocative. The good ones do it because it serves a purpose in the narrative; the bad ones rely on shock value. Bad Education (2004)
Blue Is the Warmest Colour (2013)
Orgazmo (1997)
Pink Flamingos (1972)
A Serbian Film (2010) Shame (2011)
Showgirls (1995)
Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down! (1989) 5, 8, 6, 3, 3, 7, 1 and 7. |
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Post by wmcclain on Sept 9, 2020 11:23:09 GMT
I'll defend Inserts.
Beyond the Valley of the Dolls is meant to be "bad".
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 9, 2020 13:49:48 GMT
The difference between R and NC-17 in the U.S. is that anyone under 17 can't go see an NC-17 movie even with a parent. I agree it is a silly distinction, but I also understand it. It has to do with the U.S. being bothered by sex and nudity much more than most other countries. Most movies that get the NC-17 rating are for sex and nudity. The ratings are mostly to let parents know what they what they will and won't be okay with their children watching and that even extends to adults as well. If some adults are bothered by blood and fuck then it is to let them know they probably want to stay away from R-rated movies. I am aware of the distinction and that was part of my point. What is the issue with films being rated NC17 with distributors and exhibitors? Many films got cut down to obtain an R rating and then more often than not, the rest of the world got stuck with US R rated cuts when other countries had ratings that would restrict films only to a specific age and over like 16 or 18 and that was the R rated versions from America. I don't know about any of that. I just know what the point is when it comes to U.S. audiences.
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Post by shannondegroot on Sept 9, 2020 13:57:06 GMT
I thought A Nightmare on Elm St 5 (1989) was NC-17 ?
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Post by Vits on Sept 9, 2020 14:00:28 GMT
What is the issue with films being rated NC17 with distributors and exhibitors? Many films got cut down to obtain an R rating and then more often than not, the rest of the world got stuck with US R rated cuts when other countries had ratings that would restrict films only to a specific age and over like 16 or 18 and that was the R rated versions from America. True, but to be fair, there are also countries that edit or even ban American movies.
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Post by James on Sept 9, 2020 15:38:43 GMT
I thought A Nightmare on Elm St 5 (1989) was NC-17 ? It probably was, but got cut down to an R. |
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Post by ghostintheshell on Sept 9, 2020 15:43:46 GMT
Henry & June (1990)
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 9, 2020 21:24:30 GMT
I don't know about any of that. I just know what the point is when it comes to U.S. audiences. Living outside the bubble of the US one is able to observe from a different perspective. Different countries have their own different ratings. Since the vast majority of product came from the US, what they do to their movies affects the rest of the world when made to fit their rating guidelines. CARA or MPAA, isn’t even a govt body and film doesn’t even have to be rated in the US. NC17 was created to lift the stigma of X and yet it still became a problem. Yes, I am aware of all that. I meant I don't know what your point is. I am not understanding what the problem is. What I think you are talking about is that movies from other countries are making their movies to fit with a certain rating in the U.S. for marketing purposes. Is that correct?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 9, 2020 23:22:19 GMT
I remember thinking Orgazmo was decent, I need to go rewatch it.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 9, 2020 23:23:58 GMT
Yes, I am aware of all that. I meant I don't know what your point is. I am not understanding what the problem is. What I think you are talking about is that movies from other countries are making their movies to fit with a certain rating in the U.S. for marketing purposes. Is that correct? Partial point yes, yet a film can be released with any content in it in the US, be it NC17 or Unrated so why not? What’s happening, or not so much moreso now as R rated content is stronger, films were being cut to pander to the more accessible R. That was considering children in mind who could still these films with accompaniment, when many of these films weren’t suitable for children to see in the first place. Friday 13th films suffered badly with MPAA suggested cuts in the 80’s. The stigma then was X, because NC17 wasn’t created until 1990. R or X, these films were really only suitable for teens about 16 and over. The US R rating system is too broad, within the subtext of R, there is then soft, medium and hard R’s abound and all for pandering to children and exploiting that aspect for more box office. There never should have been an issue in the US with releasing a film restricted to a specific age and over ONLY. All I can say is that I don't have an issue with it and i don't see how there are many R-rated movies pandering to children. It is probably because I am from the U.S. It all feels normal to me.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 9, 2020 23:47:37 GMT
All I can say is that I don't have an issue with it and i don't see how there are many R-rated movies pandering to children. It is probably because I am from the U.S. It all feels normal to me. I have made a slight edit to the start of the previous post. I don’t have much of an issue now as hard R rated stuff is stronger, it’s just that now, many of these hard R’s should be NC17. As far as I can tell NC-17 is mostly for explicit sex and graphic nudity. NC-17 for violence alone is rare. Natural Born Killers came close. Eyes Wide Shut is an R that probably should have still gotten the NC-17 rating even after the editing.
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