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Post by london777 on Feb 20, 2017 11:29:42 GMT
Apologies if already answered somewhere, but what is considered too recent to qualify as "classic" for this board?
If there is no answer already, I would suggest no film under 25 years old should be called "classic".
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 20, 2017 12:36:04 GMT
Well, I'm old, so for me classic is pre-Beatles (1964) and the less currently mainstream 70s and 80s films.
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Post by Richard Kimble on Feb 20, 2017 17:20:40 GMT
This topic already?
I guess this board really is the true successor of the IMDb CFB...
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Post by london777 on Feb 20, 2017 19:15:37 GMT
This topic already? I guess this board really is the true successor of the IMDb CFB... This board has the opportunity now to attract many new posters, but will not do so with comments like yours. Mine was a genuine and straightforward question. I would like to contribute in this section but I only wish to discuss eligible movies. I cannot see any guidance as to which would be. To pick a movie at random, is Mulholland Drive (2001) too recent to be called a "classic"? If so, what about Blade Runner (1982)? |
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Post by Richard Kimble on Feb 20, 2017 19:47:58 GMT
This board has the opportunity now to attract many new posters, but will not do so with comments like yours. comment ruffled your feathers? You're in for a bumpy ride if this board is anything like the ol' CFB. And if you ever find a definition of "classic film" everyone can agree on, be sure to PM me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 21:39:01 GMT
Let's just play nice, shall we? I think "classic" can go in many different directions. I tend to think of silver screen movies, but at the same time, I find some cult classics, like Rocky Horror to also qualify. I think the more open we make it, the more welcoming, we'll all sort of find each other and the groove will eventually get going. I'm for all types and genres and subclassifications that may qualify as "classic" movies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 21:44:09 GMT
I would say a movie has at least be 30 years old before it can be called a classic.
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Post by teleadm on Feb 20, 2017 21:59:52 GMT
I would say around 1975 and the movie "Jaws", not becuase of just that movie in itself, but also the old Movie Studios where sold out and became part of conglemerates, and also the start of the modern Blockbuster movies. But that's just my idea.
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Post by Richard Kimble on Feb 20, 2017 22:29:00 GMT
I would say around 1975 and the movie "Jaws", not becuase of just that movie in itself, but also the old Movie Studios where sold out and became part of conglemerates, and also the start of the modern Blockbuster movies. But that's just my idea. The conglomerates had taken over earlier. If you must use those criteria, I would suggest Star Wars as a cutoff point. Summer blockbuster and created the comic book world we live in today. |
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Post by ZolotoyRetriever on Feb 20, 2017 23:38:49 GMT
I kind of like this definition of Classical Hollywood, which you can read about here: Classical Hollywood cinema To me, when people start talking about films from the late 60s onward under the category of "Classic Movies" I think it sounds too recent to be considered "Classic." |
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Post by taranofprydain on Feb 21, 2017 2:38:43 GMT
I often use 1970 as a cutoff, but I'm negotiable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 3:03:34 GMT
The Reference 'Classic' is usually applied now-a-days pre-1980
I completely agree with this.
Anything after 1980 should be termed Late 20th Century Cinema.
There is a definite shift away from famous film makers whose output ended in the 70's.
I have also posted that 'Pulp Fiction' is a classic that has real film-making significance but this film has not faded from the 'hype' of present popular culture for Us- the viewer to completely step back and re-examine it from a (time-washing) fresh perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 11:59:24 GMT
When did the Classic film period end?
Opinion differs - with a 30 year range to choose from ! Some would say early in early 1950s with rise of TV and crumbling studio system... others as late 1970s and advent of summer blockbuster franchises.
I suspect majority of buffs would go for period 1967-70 with backdrop of civic unrest in the USA and elsewhere, advent of new permissive Hollywood, studio crises with huge and established stars suddenly losing all box office allure, some giant mainstream flops, and the likes of BONNIE AND CLYDE, EASY RIDER, THE GRADUATE, ROSEMARY'S BABY, BOB & CAROL & TED & ALICE, BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS and THE WILD BUNCHpacking them in in cinemas with explicit sex and violence.
If you want to be even more specific go for the Academy Awards in 1970 when MIDNIGHT COWBOY, a film about a male prostitute won gongs for best film (the first X film to do so), director and screenplay.
Or the point in ANGEL ANGEL DOWN WE GO from 1969 (aka CULT OF THE DAMNED as it was on reissue - cheerfully exploiting the Tate/Manson murders) in which Jennifer Jones (former Oscar winner and Saint Bernadette, Jennie Appleton and Han Suyin... and Mrs David Selznick) playing a former porn star seduced by her daughter's boyfriend uttered the line " I made thirty stag films and I never once faked an orgasm.  At that point in time the classic film period was over. The Hardy family had well and truly left town  |
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Post by marshamae on Feb 21, 2017 13:37:10 GMT
I generally think of classic film as pre- Star Wars . Big studio , stars under contract, studios putting the films together rather than bean counters or agents.
But I'm flexible about the exact cutoff and am willing to discuss interesting films of tge 70's and 80's, as well as more recent films with classic values . The King's Speech, Howard's End, Moonstruck, ...
And I'll discuss Godfather Goodfellas and Casino anywhere, anytime.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Feb 21, 2017 16:23:21 GMT
An excellent question, London. All we have so far as an official statement is "great old movies from silent to noir, and everything in-between." Unfortunately, old is in the eye of the beholder. If you're 16, almost everything out there is old--right?  I would favor including two categories of films: - All films, regardless of critical or commercial success or other merit, produced prior to about 1970. - But also, landmark films produced between 1970 and about 10 years prior to the present. (The more recent the production date, the higher the threshold for inclusion.) So, for me, films such as Jaws, Blade Runner, Schindler's List, The Lives of Others, and The Departed are classic films. If a film was produced after 1970 but qualifies for The Criterion Collection, it's probably a classic film. If you think people will still be talking about a film in glowing terms, or because of its impact on filmmaking (or on society more generally), 50 years from now, it's probably a classic film. |
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Post by OldAussie on Feb 21, 2017 23:13:26 GMT
In my youth I thought of 1957 as the end of the classic era simply because "Bridge on the River Kwai" seemed like the first modern movie.
Now I'll randomly say pre-1975.
However I have no problem with discussing even the newest movies as they may well be "classic" in the future.
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Post by Salzmank on Feb 21, 2017 23:30:01 GMT
Simply put, I think there's no easy answer to this question. What may be earth shatteringly new and different one moment may be a "classic" the next, which is why I dislike giving any specific dates. With that said, I think Eλευθερί's (any way to make that name easier without copying it?) two definitions are for the most part spot-on, though I may quibble about some of his choices for "classics." I particularly agree with this line: "The more recent the production date, the higher the threshold for inclusion."
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Post by telegonus on Feb 22, 2017 0:12:38 GMT
I generally think of classic film as pre- Star Wars . Big studio , stars under contract, studios putting the films together rather than bean counters or agents. But I'm flexible about the exact cutoff and am willing to discuss interesting films of tge 70's and 80's, as well as more recent films with classic values . The King's Speech, Howard's End, Moonstruck, ... And I'll discuss Godfather Goodfellas and Casino anywhere, anytime. I agree with you and Timeshel and teleadm (more or less), and for similar reasons, I think, which is that roughly in 1975-77 American films, which had been growing and changing by leaps and bounds since the studio system had gone into eclipse, and in a modern, adult manner, shifted to kid and summer oriented movies, then slasher flicks, and in a short period of time it was all over, or so it seemed.
The studio era damn near imploded 1960-70, and yet the system prevailed inasmuch as there was still something of a studio continuum in American films even as the indies were gaining a foothold. Starting around 1969-70 the mainstream grew more sophisticated and allowed for different kinds of films, and for a few brief shining moments there was hope.
At a personal, emotional level I loved classic Hollywood films and still do, and yet as a young adult I was seeking more than entertainment, and was finding it in foreign films (Bergman, Felini, Truffaut, et al) and yet also, fitfully, in American films, whether of the Robert Altman, Sidney Lumet, Woody Allen, Martin Scorsese or Francis Copppola kind. There was so much to choose from. It was a great time for going to the movies, 1970-76, modern movies, and then things began to slide. This, for me, was the real end of the classic era as well as, sadly, the modern era that never quite took off as so many of us had hoped it would.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 0:22:20 GMT
I don't know what realms of cinema most people have been traveling in lately where the 'Godfather' 1972 and Apocalypse Now' 1979 are not considered or 'shown' as 'Classic Movies' Would be rather hysterical to watch someone disagree with this and argue against them not being 'Classics' |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 1:07:21 GMT
I would say around 1975 and the movie "Jaws", not becuase of just that movie in itself, but also the old Movie Studios where sold out and became part of conglemerates, and also the start of the modern Blockbuster movies. But that's just my idea. The conglomerates had taken over earlier. If you must use those criteria, I would suggest Star Wars as a cutoff point. Summer blockbuster and created the comic book world we live in today. I was thinking of using 1975 and/or Star Wars as criteria. *high five*
A few years back I would've said pre-1970.
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At that point in time the classic film period was over. The Hardy family had well and truly left town 
