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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 10, 2020 18:56:47 GMT
...who was caught on tape bragging about getting a Saudi prince off the hook for murdering and dismembering a journalist. Just another affirmation of what piece of s**t hypocrites the "good Christians" of this country are.
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Post by drystyx on Sept 10, 2020 19:52:06 GMT
Just because you and your fellow lunatics want to believe he is supported by a "majority of Evangelicals", doesn't make it true, no matter how many polls you cite, because I've worked in market research for over ten years, and anyone who ever worked in surveys knows that surveys are bought and paid for by special interests.
And for whatever reason you claim, it is still demonic possession that drives you and the other lunatics to believe Evangelicals support Republicans. I've been a member of six different Christian churches, and not one of them had a "majority" of members supporting Republican party. If it wasn't for the rabid dogs who support a right to choose to kill over a baby's right to not be murdered, nearly 100% of Christians would support the Democrat party, and you full well know that to be a fact.
That's pretty amazing that the party for human rights, the Democrat party, can still be the party of choice, even for us Christians, in spite of placating rabid dogs as often as we do. Sometimes, it's tough, but there's no way to vote Republican for most Christians. Most of us write in names when we're driven away by you rabid dogs.
Testimony from personal experience is "fact". Your lies are not facts.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 12, 2020 14:43:24 GMT
Just because you and your fellow lunatics want to believe he is supported by a "majority of Evangelicals", doesn't make it true, no matter how many polls you cite, because I've worked in market research for over ten years, and anyone who ever worked in surveys knows that surveys are bought and paid for by special interests. And for whatever reason you claim, it is still demonic possession that drives you and the other lunatics to believe Evangelicals support Republicans. I've been a member of six different Christian churches, and not one of them had a "majority" of members supporting Republican party. If it wasn't for the rabid dogs who support a right to choose to kill over a baby's right to not be murdered, nearly 100% of Christians would support the Democrat party, and you full well know that to be a fact. That's pretty amazing that the party for human rights, the Democrat party, can still be the party of choice, even for us Christians, in spite of placating rabid dogs as often as we do. Sometimes, it's tough, but there's no way to vote Republican for most Christians. Most of us write in names when we're driven away by you rabid dogs. Testimony from personal experience is "fact". Your lies are not facts. Or the behavior of said Evangelicals with all the Trump-Pence memorabilia.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 13, 2020 6:35:39 GMT
Just because you and your fellow lunatics want to believe he is supported by a "majority of Evangelicals", doesn't make it true, no matter how many polls you cite, because I've worked in market research for over ten years, and anyone who ever worked in surveys knows that surveys are bought and paid for by special interests. And for whatever reason you claim, it is still demonic possession that drives you and the other lunatics to believe Evangelicals support Republicans. I've been a member of six different Christian churches, and not one of them had a "majority" of members supporting Republican party. If it wasn't for the rabid dogs who support a right to choose to kill over a baby's right to not be murdered, nearly 100% of Christians would support the Democrat party, and you full well know that to be a fact. That's pretty amazing that the party for human rights, the Democrat party, can still be the party of choice, even for us Christians, in spite of placating rabid dogs as often as we do. Sometimes, it's tough, but there's no way to vote Republican for most Christians. Most of us write in names when we're driven away by you rabid dogs. Testimony from personal experience is "fact". Your lies are not facts. Then why are you letting your fellow Trump Evangelicals suck up all the air? And why does it surprise you that this stereotype of intolerant right-wing, Bible thumper is the one most people think of when they hear "Evangelical?"
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 13, 2020 6:42:11 GMT
Just because you and your fellow lunatics want to believe he is supported by a "majority of Evangelicals", doesn't make it true, no matter how many polls you cite, because I've worked in market research for over ten years, and anyone who ever worked in surveys knows that surveys are bought and paid for by special interests. And for whatever reason you claim, it is still demonic possession that drives you and the other lunatics to believe Evangelicals support Republicans. I've been a member of six different Christian churches, and not one of them had a "majority" of members supporting Republican party. If it wasn't for the rabid dogs who support a right to choose to kill over a baby's right to not be murdered, nearly 100% of Christians would support the Democrat party, and you full well know that to be a fact. That's pretty amazing that the party for human rights, the Democrat party, can still be the party of choice, even for us Christians, in spite of placating rabid dogs as often as we do. Sometimes, it's tough, but there's no way to vote Republican for most Christians. Most of us write in names when we're driven away by you rabid dogs. Testimony from personal experience is "fact". Your lies are not facts. Or the behavior of said Evangelicals with all the Trump-Pence memorabilia. Very ironic statement: it is still demonic possession that drives you and the other lunatics to believe Evangelicals support Republicans. And then he calls us "rabid dogs." Well, what do you do with a rabid dog? You kill it. And he's tried of "placating rabid dogs," so.... Then he gets upset if we call Trump's vast base of Evangelical supporters "hypocrites" for supporting a man like him as if he is a man of God.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 13, 2020 7:54:37 GMT
Or the behavior of said Evangelicals with all the Trump-Pence memorabilia. Very ironic statement: it is still demonic possession that drives you and the other lunatics to believe Evangelicals support Republicans. And then he calls us "rabid dogs." Well, what do you do with a rabid dog? You kill it. And he's tried of "placating rabid dogs," so.... Then he gets upset if we call Trump's vast base of Evangelical supporters "hypocrites" for supporting a man like him as if he is a man of God. How vast is that "vast base" of Evangelical supporters? They exist, of course. And he has phony Freemason preachers like Franklin Graham on his side, but just how vast are they?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 13, 2020 11:48:54 GMT
Very ironic statement: it is still demonic possession that drives you and the other lunatics to believe Evangelicals support Republicans. And then he calls us "rabid dogs." Well, what do you do with a rabid dog? You kill it. And he's tried of "placating rabid dogs," so.... Then he gets upset if we call Trump's vast base of Evangelical supporters "hypocrites" for supporting a man like him as if he is a man of God. How vast is that "vast base" of Evangelical supporters? They exist, of course. And he has phony Freemason preachers like Franklin Graham on his side, but just how vast are they? President Donald Trump’s approval rating has dropped among a wide range of religious groups, including white evangelical Protestants – though they remain strongly supportive. Roughly seven-in-ten white evangelical Protestants (72%) say they approve of the way Trump is handling his job, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted June 16 to 22. That is a 6 percentage point drop from 78% recorded in April, in line with the 5-point drop during that period among U.S. adults overall. The share of white evangelicals who say they “very strongly” approve of Trump’s performance is now at 59%, down 8 points from 67% in April. www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/01/white-evangelical-approval-of-trump-slips-but-eight-in-ten-say-they-would-vote-for-him/
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 13, 2020 13:08:24 GMT
How vast is that "vast base" of Evangelical supporters? They exist, of course. And he has phony Freemason preachers like Franklin Graham on his side, but just how vast are they? President Donald Trump’s approval rating has dropped among a wide range of religious groups, including white evangelical Protestants – though they remain strongly supportive. Roughly seven-in-ten white evangelical Protestants (72%) say they approve of the way Trump is handling his job, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted June 16 to 22. That is a 6 percentage point drop from 78% recorded in April, in line with the 5-point drop during that period among U.S. adults overall. The share of white evangelicals who say they “very strongly” approve of Trump’s performance is now at 59%, down 8 points from 67% in April. www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/01/white-evangelical-approval-of-trump-slips-but-eight-in-ten-say-they-would-vote-for-him/ That is a better reading of polls than you have managed in the past. There might be hope for you yet. Two refinements I might add are that the definition of an "evangelical" is rather without much detail. Almost anyone who claims to be one is, regardless of any other outward signs. The other consideration is that although Trump does not appropriately address the concerns of most religious people, the other party is even far worse.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 13, 2020 13:17:28 GMT
President Donald Trump’s approval rating has dropped among a wide range of religious groups, including white evangelical Protestants – though they remain strongly supportive. Roughly seven-in-ten white evangelical Protestants (72%) say they approve of the way Trump is handling his job, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted June 16 to 22. That is a 6 percentage point drop from 78% recorded in April, in line with the 5-point drop during that period among U.S. adults overall. The share of white evangelicals who say they “very strongly” approve of Trump’s performance is now at 59%, down 8 points from 67% in April. www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/01/white-evangelical-approval-of-trump-slips-but-eight-in-ten-say-they-would-vote-for-him/ That is a better reading of polls than you have managed in the past. That was no 'reading', just a direct quote.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 13, 2020 13:20:52 GMT
That is a better reading of polls than you have managed in the past. That was no 'reading', just a direct quote. LOL, I was gonna say does Arlon think you're a writer for Pew Research or something?
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 13, 2020 13:23:13 GMT
That is a better reading of polls than you have managed in the past. That was no 'reading', just a direct quote. "Application" then. It shows a sense of the argument being made by others, which I doubted you could manage. It still doesn't make clear how little regard religious people have for Trump, as I noted, but it is closer to the mark.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 13, 2020 13:24:00 GMT
President Donald Trump’s approval rating has dropped among a wide range of religious groups, including white evangelical Protestants – though they remain strongly supportive. Roughly seven-in-ten white evangelical Protestants (72%) say they approve of the way Trump is handling his job, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted June 16 to 22. That is a 6 percentage point drop from 78% recorded in April, in line with the 5-point drop during that period among U.S. adults overall. The share of white evangelicals who say they “very strongly” approve of Trump’s performance is now at 59%, down 8 points from 67% in April. www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/01/white-evangelical-approval-of-trump-slips-but-eight-in-ten-say-they-would-vote-for-him/ That is a better reading of polls than you have managed in the past. There might be hope for you yet. Two refinements I might add are that the definition of an "evangelical" is rather without much detail. Almost anyone who claims to be one is, regardless of any other outward signs. The other consideration is that although Trump does not appropriately address the concerns of most religious people, the other party is even far worse. "Almost anyone who claims to be one is, regardless of any other outward signs. " No True Scottsman "The other consideration is that although Trump does not appropriately address the concerns of most religious people" How so? Give examples.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 13, 2020 13:30:04 GMT
That was no 'reading', just a direct quote. LOL, I was gonna say does Arlon think you're a writer for Pew Research or something? He references Pew when it suits his hobbyhorses and disparages all surveys presented when they don't.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 13, 2020 13:46:33 GMT
lowtacks86 said: [ full text here] < clips >
- No True Scotsman
- Give examples.
- If religious people are not allowed to set standards of membership, why should scientists? Even given that you can set standards there are loads and loads of bad science, court decisions against it, profiteering, and just plain stupidity posing as science and not getting caught.
- Some people suspect Trump's divorce from Marla Maples was entirely his fault. The big one though is he depends on fear of government rather than fear of a god.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 13, 2020 13:54:38 GMT
LOL, I was gonna say does Arlon think you're a writer for Pew Research or something? He references Pew when it suits his hobbyhorses and disparages all surveys presented when they don't. I actually studied the art of the survey in college. Did you?
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Sept 13, 2020 14:33:54 GMT
Arlon could be right. They might not be supporting Trump. They could just really hate the idea of helping poor people. Would Jesus do that? I don't think so! So of course they're going to do whatever it takes to keep the Republican Party in power. And as an added bonus the Republican's are much more racist which conforms to Jesus's call to judge people on their creed. And I'm pretty sure there are passages in the Bible about "rend unto Ceasar as little as possible if you are very wealthy" - so they'll be keen to help the super-wealthy avoid tax too.
It's all religiously motivated if you know your scripture. And the pussy-grabbing/lying/raping/letting people die/etc is all forgivable because he's basically "doing God's work" when you look at the big picture.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 13, 2020 15:14:43 GMT
lowtacks86 said: [ full text here] < clips >
- No True Scotsman
- Give examples.
- If religious people are not allowed to set standards of membership, why should scientists? Even given that you can set standards there are loads and loads of bad science, court decisions against it, profiteering, and just plain stupidity posing as science and not getting caught.
- Some people suspect Trump's divorce from Marla Maples was entirely his fault. The big one though is he depends on fear of government rather than fear of a god.
1. Because the Bible is so vague, nebulous, and up for interpretation that it is a pointless endeavor trying to argue what constitutes a "true Christian" (why do you think there are so many different sects/churches within Christiainity) whereas with science there's a very cleared, defined criteria for what constitutes proper scientific evaluation (scientific method, repeateable experiments, accoutning for variable, proper sampling, peer review). It's the reason intelligent design "expert"s like Kent Hovind and Ray Comfort aren't considered actual scientists by the scientific community. You are right that there are "bad scientists", but those are typically ostracized from the scientific community (the guy that discovered the double helix for instance was lambasted by the scientific community when he tried to make an unsabstantiated link between genetic IQ and race). So you're completley wrong on "not getting caught". 2. "Some people" doesn't really represent the overwhelming support Trump got from evangelicals. Again this just sounds like more No True Scottsman. If he doesn't "meet the concerns" of most religious people, then why does he get overwhelming support from devout Christians? "The big one though is he depends on fear of government rather than fear of a god." You do realize pretty much every Republican president since Regan has increased government authoritarianism in some way, right?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 13, 2020 15:15:17 GMT
He references Pew when it suits his hobbyhorses and disparages all surveys presented when they don't. I actually studied the art of the survey in college. Did you? The point is that you support a source when it suits you and question it when it does not. One does not need to study surveys to see how inconsistent that is.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 13, 2020 15:22:17 GMT
Arlon could be right. They might not be supporting Trump. They could just really hate the idea of helping poor people. Would Jesus do that? I don't think so! So of course they're going to do whatever it takes to keep the Republican Party in power. And as an added bonus the Republican's are much more racist which conforms to Jesus's call to judge people on their creed. And I'm pretty sure there are passages in the Bible about "rend unto Ceasar as little as possible if you are very wealthy" - so they'll be keen to help the super-wealthy avoid tax too. It's all religiously motivated if you know your scripture. And the pussy-grabbing/lying/raping/letting people die/etc is all forgivable because he's basically "doing God's work" when you look at the big picture. Some interesting speculation by Jeff Sessions connected to this subject can be found here: www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/why-christians-support-trump/613669/
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 13, 2020 16:35:41 GMT
lowtacks86 said: [ full text here] - If religious people are not allowed to set standards of membership, why should scientists? Even given that you can set standards there are loads and loads of bad science, court decisions against it, profiteering, and just plain stupidity posing as science and not getting caught.
- Some people suspect Trump's divorce from Marla Maples was entirely his fault. The big one though is he depends on fear of government rather than fear of a god.
1. Because the Bible is so vague, nebulous, and up for interpretation that it is a pointless endeavor trying to argue what constitutes a "true Christian" (why do you think there are so many different sects/churches within Christiainity) whereas with science there's a very cleared, defined criteria for what constitutes proper scientific evaluation (scientific method, repeateable experiments, accoutning for variable, proper sampling, peer review). It's the reason intelligent design "expert"s like Kent Hovind and Ray Comfort aren't considered actual scientists by the scientific community. You are right that there are "bad scientists", but those are typically ostracized from the scientific community (the guy that discovered the double helix for instance was lambasted by the scientific community when he tried to make an unsabstantiated link between genetic IQ and race). So you're completley wrong on "not getting caught". 2. "Some people" doesn't really represent the overwhelming support Trump got from evangelicals. Again this just sounds like more No True Scottsman. If he doesn't "meet the concerns" of most religious people, then why does he get overwhelming support from devout Christians? "The big one though is he depends on fear of government rather than fear of a god." You do realize pretty much every Republican president since Regan has increased government authoritarianism in some way, right? I'm certain you do find it very disturbing how far religion is over you head. That is all the more reason that you should not try to define who is religious. "Evangelical" is not an organized or disciplined group and it is meaningless what they "overwhelmingly" support. Republicans have often tried to keep government confined to those things government is supposed to address, but enforcing religious ideals had not been one of them.
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