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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 2:01:47 GMT
Masculine? Girlish?  He walked like a boy and fought like a boy. He wasn't like a girl and got made fun of What does it mean to be "like a boy" or "like a girl?"
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Post by moonchild on Sept 13, 2020 2:17:11 GMT
He walked like a boy and fought like a boy. He wasn't like a girl and got made fun of What does it mean to be "like a boy" or "like a girl"? Just observe the differences His name was Brian and was changed to Brenda. They raised him as a girl but he never "became" a girl. He was a boy no matter what his name was or whether he wore dresses You can't change someone's gender for them. It has to be something they chose for themselves because, in their mind, they don't relate to the gender they were born into
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 2:22:03 GMT
What does it mean to be "like a boy" or "like a girl"? Just observe the differences His name was Brian and was changed to Brenda. They raised him as a girl but he never "became" a girl. He was a boy no matter what his name was or whether he wore dresses You can't change someone's gender for them. It has to be something they chose for themselves because, in their mind, they don't relate to the gender they were born into What differences? Be specific, please. What makes one feel like a boy or a girl if not all those things we're not supposed to observe? Did Brian like Tonka trucks and not dolls? Is it because he liked to fight? Or what?
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Post by moonchild on Sept 13, 2020 2:29:12 GMT
Just observe the differences His name was Brian and was changed to Brenda. They raised him as a girl but he never "became" a girl. He was a boy no matter what his name was or whether he wore dresses You can't change someone's gender for them. It has to be something they chose for themselves because, in their mind, they don't relate to the gender they were born into What differences? Be specific, please. What makes one feel like a boy or a girl if not all those things we're not supposed to observe? Did Brian like Tonka trucks and not dolls? Is it because he liked to fight? Or what? I confused his first name with his twin brother, but this is the story en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 2:32:39 GMT
What differences? Be specific, please. What makes one feel like a boy or a girl if not all those things we're not supposed to observe? Did Brian like Tonka trucks and not dolls? Is it because he liked to fight? Or what? I confused his first name with his twin brother, but this is the story en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer Well, that was fun. IMDB2.freeforums.net/post/4246901/thread 
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Post by moonchild on Sept 13, 2020 2:39:35 GMT
Just like if you started cross dressing you would still feel like a man, there are others who don't want to dress like the gender they were born into because they identify with feminine or masculine feelings, which ever the case I don't know what it's like to not feel like a female but a male instead but I understand that this does occur
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 2:55:50 GMT
Just like if you started cross dressing you would still feel like a man, there are others who don't want to dress like the gender they were born into because they identify with feminine or masculine feelings, which ever the case I don't know what it's like to not feel like a female but a male instead but I understand that this does occur What's it like to feel like a female? What exactly does someone mean when they say they're a man/woman trapped inside a woman/man's body? How can one identify their gender by things that are supposed to be gender neutral? Should a "biological boy" who likes to wear frilly dresses identify as a girl despite those who say frilly dresses should not be gender-specific? And what do you suppose would happen to someone who presumes a biological boy is a transgender girl because he likes to make sammiches in the kitchen? Do you not see the problem here?
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Sept 13, 2020 2:57:15 GMT
Well...they do.
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Post by moonchild on Sept 13, 2020 3:02:15 GMT
Just like if you started cross dressing you would still feel like a man, there are others who don't want to dress like the gender they were born into because they identify with feminine or masculine feelings, which ever the case I don't know what it's like to not feel like a female but a male instead but I understand that this does occur What's it like to feel like a female? What exactly does someone mean when they say they're a man/woman trapped inside a woman/man's body? How can one identify their gender by things that are supposed to be gender neutral? Should a "biological boy" who likes to wear frilly dresses identify as a girl despite those who say frilly dresses should not be gender-specific? And what do you suppose would happen to someone who presumes a biological boy is a transgender girl because he likes to make sammiches in the kitchen? Do you not see the problem here? I think there's more to it than that. There are men who cross dress but I don't think they want to become women. It must be something more complex than wardrobe. It must have to do with a feeling that how your body looks is not in sync with what's in your mind. A feeling of not liking your genitalia because it doesn't fit with the body you should have been born with
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 3:10:42 GMT
What's it like to feel like a female? What exactly does someone mean when they say they're a man/woman trapped inside a woman/man's body? How can one identify their gender by things that are supposed to be gender neutral? Should a "biological boy" who likes to wear frilly dresses identify as a girl despite those who say frilly dresses should not be gender-specific? And what do you suppose would happen to someone who presumes a biological boy is a transgender girl because he likes to make sammiches in the kitchen? Do you not see the problem here? I think there's more to it than that. There are men who cross dress but I don't think they want to become women. It must be something more complex than wardrobe. It must have to do with a feeling that how your body looks is not in sync with what's in your mind. A feeling of not liking your genitalia because it doesn't fit with the body you should have been born with Haven’t you heard? Biological sex and gender are two completely different animals... |
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Post by moonchild on Sept 13, 2020 3:15:11 GMT
I think there's more to it than that. There are men who cross dress but I don't think they want to become women. It must be something more complex than wardrobe. It must have to do with a feeling that how your body looks is not in sync with what's in your mind. A feeling of not liking your genitalia because it doesn't fit with the body you should have been born with Haven’t you heard? Biological sex and gender are two completely different animals... Ahh.. okay, got it 
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 3:27:01 GMT
Haven’t you heard? Biological sex and gender are two completely different animals... Ahh.. okay, got it Well, that makes one of us. Lol |
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Post by gameboy on Sept 13, 2020 5:55:37 GMT
I've sent it to you at least twice already, and all you did was ignore it. Garbage human beings don't read scientific papers, apparently. Actually, it is factually not the case that every society on earth has said this for thousands of years. You don't know shit about anything, do you? YOUR position is actually the quack theory with a political agenda, and all you explained was your bottomless ignorance of the actual science, which is not limited to the genitals like your ignorant, simplistic model. Why is it that you people who don't like binary gender feel the need to insult those who disagree with you? No, sorry, those who disagree with you are not "garbage human beings". We just believe there are only two genders. Methinks "garbage human beings" are those who can't tolerate differing beliefs without getting nasty.
Lets take the example of the hijra in India since my partner is Indian and Hindu and I know a bit about this. Hijra are transgender people. They are often called a third sex by Indians. This is really just a euphemism though. Most Indians are very common sense about this.
This goes to my overall point. Human societies create many social constructs. It all becomes semantics. There are two biological genders. They just manifest themselves in a variety of socially constructed gender roles like the hijra of India. Indians believe the hijra are males, not a third sex.
And I go to the gonads because those are the most accurate way to determine biological gender. Vaginas and penises are surface structures. Cosmetic surgery can create a facsimile of a penis or a vagina. Cosmetic surgery cannot create an ovary or a testes. Get to the actual reality of the physical before you start inventing new genders. You couldn't even come up with a list. Lol.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 13, 2020 5:56:11 GMT
We just went over this. Science says there are two types of gonads, testes and ovaries. Science says only one in 83,000 people has an abnormal "ovotestis". But the ovotestis is either more male or more female.
Please tell me, is there a gonad which is not a testis or an ovary or a combination of the two?
Sorry, there are only two genders.
We went over this already, and you are so fucking ignorant it went over your head. I cited a scientific paper whose headline directly contradicted the idea that there are two genders. Genders are a social construct influenced by biology, sex is biological, neither is binary, and your dumb obsession with genitalia leaves out how the brain is wired. Science does not and never will give a shit about your knuckle-dragging ignorance, your bigotry, or your feelings. Where the frick do you get off calling gameboy a knuckle dragging idiot, f<>king ignorant and bigoted huh! While I may not always share his POV on some issues regarding sexuality, I feel he’d understand a lot more than a pompous git like you would on this subject. Science DOES not PROVE any solid evidence for genders not being binary. Biology is the thing getting distorted for being perceived as a social construct, at the expense of the term “gender” being conflated and complicated to mean so much more than it is.  How can something so subjective and born of psychological mind be a real thing? I say stick your questionable and even bogus scientific data up your self-important toffee nosed ass.
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Post by gameboy on Sept 13, 2020 6:01:47 GMT
We went over this already, and you are so fucking ignorant it went over your head. I cited a scientific paper whose headline directly contradicted the idea that there are two genders. Genders are a social construct influenced by biology, sex is biological, neither is binary, and your dumb obsession with genitalia leaves out how the brain is wired. Science does not and never will give a shit about your knuckle-dragging ignorance, your bigotry, or your feelings. Where the frick do you get off calling gameboy a knuckle dragging idiot, f<>king ignorant and bigoted huh! While I may not always share his POV on some issues regarding sexuality, I feel he’d understand a lot more than a pompous git like you would on this subject. Science DOES not PROVE any solid evidence for genders not being binary. Biology is the thing getting distorted for being perceived as a social construct, at the expense of the term “gender” being conflated and complicated to mean so much more than it is. How can something so subjective and born of psychological mind be a real thing? I say stick your questionable and even bogus scientific data up your self-important toffee nosed ass. Thanks Toasty. Coincidentally I just answered him in the post above yours. I'm queer. I've lived with transgender people and I like them. I don't know where this pompous ass gets off insulting people without even addressing any of the points they've made. It's probably some dumb breeder. 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 13, 2020 8:45:18 GMT
Where the frick do you get off calling gameboy a knuckle dragging idiot, f<>king ignorant and bigoted huh! While I may not always share his POV on some issues regarding sexuality, I feel he’d understand a lot more than a pompous git like you would on this subject. Science DOES not PROVE any solid evidence for genders not being binary. Biology is the thing getting distorted for being perceived as a social construct, at the expense of the term “gender” being conflated and complicated to mean so much more than it is. How can something so subjective and born of psychological mind be a real thing? I say stick your questionable and even bogus scientific data up your self-important toffee nosed ass. Thanks Toasty. Coincidentally I just answered him in the post above yours. I'm queer. I've lived with transgender people and I like them. I don't know where this pompous ass gets off insulting people without even addressing any of the points they've made. It's probably some dumb breeder. I was posting at the same time you responded. I read his response to you yesterday and was stewing on it...  You are most certainly not any of those things that he arrogantly and wrong-headley projected at you. Let’s hope he’s not been breeding. Poor kids!
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Post by bd74 on Sept 13, 2020 14:51:19 GMT
What's it like to feel like a female? What exactly does someone mean when they say they're a man/woman trapped inside a woman/man's body? When someone says that, I'm sure they are referring to their personal behavior, not to activities such as playing with Tonka trucks or wearing dresses. We all know that masculinity is innate in men, and femininity is innate in women. Women are also naturally more emotional than men. So if a male happens to be innately feminine (or effeminate), then he must be able to perceive (at an early age) that there's a mismatch there. His effeminacy is not something that he's doing on purpose (it's not an act). It's just something comes naturally to him. And so he identifies with females rather than males despite having been born with male genitalia.
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Post by avocadojoe on Sept 13, 2020 16:11:17 GMT
All in the mind and others are then expected to share in the delusion of the psychological projection. My best friend (at the time) had her sex reassignment surgery when she was 28 years old. I think the hospital was either in Palo Alto or Berkeley. She called it the "emergency pussy surgery center". Lol! Damn, girl was funny. She'd had several surgical procedures leading up to the biggie. She actually had the most difficult time with the breast implants. I won't go into details because it is quite grisly, but she was in a lot of pain for at least a week. And she was unable to lift her arms to wash herself, so I had to help her just about everything. In the shower, she tried to keep her stuff tucked between her legs, but that was not easy to do. And whenever she'd become untucked, she'd say "My possum's loose! No peeking!" Those memories make me laugh to this day. |
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Post by avocadojoe on Sept 13, 2020 16:28:54 GMT
What makes one feel like a man or a woman if not snakes, snails, puppy dog tails, sugar, spice, and everything nice? If a girl wants to play with Tonka trucks, should she identify as a boy? Because the last I heard, none of those things should be gender-specific, and yet we encourage boys to identify as girls when they like to wear dresses and play with dolls?  Jazz Jennings knew from a young age that she wasn't a boy. I don't know if it's better to transition when your young or wait until you're old like Caitlyn Jenner I have empathy for them. I do, too, actually. I have no idea what causes somebody to feel their gender, especially if it's contrary to what their physical appearance depicts. Sexuality and gender are, I think, just way too complicated and complex to for an easy resolution. Personally, I couldn't care less. I do know my friend (I'll call her "Simone") went through hell on Earth during her adolescence through her early 20s, until she moved to Paris for two years. Simone got beat up on a daily basis by classmates and teachers would just watch with a smile on their face. Ugggghhh... I do credit to Simone as she never once backed down. She was never very strong physically, but she had a quick mind and a sharp tongue and she was fearless. Unfortunately, she wasn't able to modulate some of these traits when it wouldn't have been appropriate and she managed to ruin some good friendships because of it. I am sure she loved beyond larger than life. And she was... |
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Post by enigma72 on Sept 13, 2020 16:36:06 GMT
Prove me wrong. I think if you’re born a man, or a woman. That’s who you are. An 8 year old grandchild of my friend is being raised as a boy but was born a girl. 'He' is quite feminine looking now. My friend is sick. She says the child is so angry and unhappy. I don't know. They started the transition at 4. Can a child of 4 make such a decision? |
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You are most certainly not any of those things that he arrogantly and wrong-headley projected at you. Let’s hope he’s not been breeding. Poor kids! 
