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Post by autumn on Sept 13, 2020 17:05:46 GMT
Prove me wrong. I think if you’re born a man, or a woman. That’s who you are. An 8 year old grandchild of my friend is being raised as a boy but was born a girl. 'He' is quite feminine looking now. My friend is sick. She says the child is so angry and unhappy. I don't know. They started the transition at 4. Can a child of 4 make such a decision?No. But their parents are. And it's an atrocity. The child being miserable should be enough "feedback" to tell them what they're subjecting this poor child to is wrong. If the child seemed "accepting" and "happy" I might be more open-minded, maybe. This seems like child abuse to me.
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Post by enigma72 on Sept 13, 2020 17:42:12 GMT
An 8 year old grandchild of my friend is being raised as a boy but was born a girl. 'He' is quite feminine looking now. My friend is sick. She says the child is so angry and unhappy. I don't know. They started the transition at 4. Can a child of 4 make such a decision?No. But their parents are. And it's an atrocity. The child being miserable should be enough "feedback" to tell them what they're subjecting this poor child to is wrong. If the child seemed "accepting" and "happy" I might be more open-minded, maybe. This seems like child abuse to me. It does to me too autumn The mother worked with my daughter. She seemed reasonable. The grandma has been my friend for over 30 years . The grandma is sick but doesn't want to push too hard. She is afraid she'll be excluded. So sad |
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 20:23:39 GMT
What's it like to feel like a female? What exactly does someone mean when they say they're a man/woman trapped inside a woman/man's body? When someone says that, I'm sure they are referring to their personal behavior, not to activities such as playing with Tonka trucks or wearing dresses. We all know that masculinity is innate in men, and femininity is innate in women. Women are also naturally more emotional than men. So if a male happens to be innately feminine (or effeminate), then he must be able to perceive (at an early age) that there's a mismatch there. His effeminacy is not something that he's doing on purpose (it's not an act). It's just something comes naturally to him. And so he identifies with females rather than males despite having been born with male genitalia. having been born with male/female genitalia, what determines innate masculinity/femininity? Better yet, fill in the blank: A girl is really a boy when she has a natural propensity for _____. masculinity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men femininity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of women Can anyone list some of those qualities or attributes?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 13, 2020 21:10:43 GMT
When someone says that, I'm sure they are referring to their personal behavior, not to activities such as playing with Tonka trucks or wearing dresses. We all know that masculinity is innate in men, and femininity is innate in women. Women are also naturally more emotional than men. So if a male happens to be innately feminine (or effeminate), then he must be able to perceive (at an early age) that there's a mismatch there. His effeminacy is not something that he's doing on purpose (it's not an act). It's just something comes naturally to him. And so he identifies with females rather than males despite having been born with male genitalia. having been born with male/female genitalia, what determines innate masculinity/femininity? Better yet, fill in the blank: A girl is really a boy when she has a natural propensity for _____. masculinity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men femininity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of women Can anyone list some of those qualities or attributes? Is it considered more masculine to pee standing up rather than squatting down... 
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 21:21:34 GMT
Despite having been born with male/female genitalia, what determines innate masculinity/femininity? Better yet, fill in the blank: A girl is really a boy when she has a natural propensity for _____. masculinity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men femininity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of women Can anyone list some of those qualities or attributes? Is it considered more masculine to pee standing up rather than squatting down... Do girls who identify as boys usually pee standing up? When a man who identifies as a woman wears a frilly dress and threatens to beat anyone's ass who refuses to call him "ma'am," is "she" displaying the very femininity with which he identifies?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 13, 2020 21:22:02 GMT
All in the mind and others are then expected to share in the delusion of the psychological projection. My best friend (at the time) had her sex reassignment surgery when she was 28 years old. I think the hospital was either in Palo Alto or Berkeley. She called it the "emergency pussy surgery center". Lol! Damn, girl was funny. She'd had several surgical procedures leading up to the biggie. She actually had the most difficult time with the breast implants. I won't go into details because it is quite grisly, but she was in a lot of pain for at least a week. And she was unable to lift her arms to wash herself, so I had to help her just about everything. In the shower, she tried to keep her stuff tucked between her legs, but that was not easy to do. And whenever she'd become untucked, she'd say "My possum's loose! No peeking!" Those memories make me laugh to this day. Many TG’d minds would need a sharp and resilient sense of humour as a defense mechanism. Whatever makes someone feel better about themselves, if reassignment does ultimately make them feel better within themselves as identifying as gender appears as surface gloss to me, it just seems such an extreme thing to want to do oneself. It is not an easy thing to understand, especially if the psychology behind it is complex and the majority of people do identify, or are comfortable, within their own bodies they came with. Or at the very least accepting.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 13, 2020 21:27:53 GMT
Is it considered more masculine to pee standing up rather than squatting down... Do girls who identify as boys usually pee standing up? When a man who identifies as a woman wears a frilly dress and threatens to beat anyone's ass who refuses to call him "ma'am," is "she" displaying the very femininity with which he identifies? I couldn’t say, but if they have some ding dong device over their huhu that allows for sharp aiming pee control action, then if it makes them feel like a person in a males body, then all the best to them. I’d say they’re displaying hostility. Is hostility more masculine than feminine?
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 21:46:18 GMT
Do girls who identify as boys usually pee standing up? When a man who identifies as a woman wears a frilly dress and threatens to beat anyone's ass who refuses to call him "ma'am," is "she" displaying the very femininity with which he identifies? I couldn’t say, but if they have a some ding dong device over their huhu that allows for sharp aiming pee control action, then if it makes them feel like a person in a males body, then all the best to them. Mid say they’re displaying hostility. Is hostility more masculine than feminine? Well, that's what I'm asking. Is hostility an "innate masculine quality or attribute," or is it just regarded as such? What should I do when a man tells me to treat him like a woman? Hold the door open for him? Defend his honor when someone insults him? Take a bullet? Hunt for dinosaurs and drag them by their hair, perhaps? 
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Post by bd74 on Sept 13, 2020 22:01:41 GMT
Despite having been born with male/female genitalia, what determines innate masculinity/femininity? Better yet, fill in the blank: A girl is really a boy when she has a natural propensity for _____. masculinity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men femininity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of women Can anyone list some of those qualities or attributes? Their natural mannerisms/gestures/etc. In other words, behavioral traits that come naturally to them, that they're not doing intentionally. For example, a lot of women are naturally swishy when they walk. Men don't do that naturally unless they happen to be effeminate. Or take "manspreading" for example lol. Women don't manspread when they sit down, but for men it just comes naturally to them. Those are just some examples. What controls or drives these natural behaviors in males and females?? The brain I suppose, since the brain is the control system of the body. Hormones also likely play a role. And not just external behaviors but internal behaviors as well, like someone's level of emotionalness, or sensitivity, etc.
Something else that I just remembered is that some trans people on tv and on the internet have said that they feel/felt disgust with the genitals that they were born with. Whereas a cisgender person would feel just fine with the genitals they were born with. However, that doesn't apply to all trans people, since they are varying degrees of what is termed "gender dysphoria". Some trans people are ok with having (and keeping) the genitalia that they were born with.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 13, 2020 22:03:48 GMT
I couldn’t say, but if they have a some ding dong device over their huhu that allows for sharp aiming pee control action, then if it makes them feel like a person in a males body, then all the best to them. Mid say they’re displaying hostility. Is hostility more masculine than feminine? Well, that's what I'm asking. Is hostility an "innate masculine quality or attribute," or is it just regarded as such? What should I do when a man tells me to treat him like a woman? Hold the door open for him? Defend his honor when someone insults him? Take a bullet? Hunt for dinosaurs and drag them by their hair, perhaps? History has proven that war is a patriarchal construct. Being warlike and fighting then gets mostly attributed to the male character. Hostility can by and large be born out of anger and frustration and even in the case of war, ignorance and need to prove how male and tough one is. I’d tell him to piss off if some of those stereotypical things are associated with the construct of how males are to treat females to be chivalrous and to prove to himself that he is all woman if a man does that for him because he demands it. As for the Neanderthal take on how males treat females, then that is just a more refined persons take, be they male or female, on the male thug mentality which is by and large a parody of man.
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 22:15:21 GMT
Despite having been born with male/female genitalia, what determines innate masculinity/femininity? Better yet, fill in the blank: A girl is really a boy when she has a natural propensity for _____. masculinity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men femininity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of women Can anyone list some of those qualities or attributes? Their natural mannerisms/gestures/etc. In other words, behavioral traits that come naturally to them, that they're not doing intentionally. For example, a lot of women are naturally swishy when they walk. Men don't do that naturally unless they happen to be effeminate. Or take "manspreading" for example lol. Women don't manspread when they sit down, but for men it just comes naturally to them. Those are just some examples. What controls or drives these natural behaviors in males and females?? The brain I suppose, since the brain is the control system of the body. Hormones also likely play a role. And not just external behaviors but internal behaviors as well, like someone's level of emotionalness, or sensitivity, etc. Something else that I just remembered is that some trans people on tv and on the internet have said that they feel/felt disgust with the genitals that they were born with. Whereas a cisgender person would feel just fine with the genitals they were born with. However, that doesn't apply to all trans people, since they are varying degrees of what is termed "gender dysphoria". Some trans people are ok with having (and keeping) the genitalia that they were born with.
Those aren't innate qualities or attributes. Anyone can sit with their legs spread and until someone called it "manspreading" it was just a way of sitting that was neither masculine nor feminine. So we're all "theybies" until we decide for ourselves what we are, but we make that decision based on the very social constructs that we are supposed to be deconstructing.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 13, 2020 22:16:51 GMT
Despite having been born with male/female genitalia, what determines innate masculinity/femininity? Better yet, fill in the blank: A girl is really a boy when she has a natural propensity for _____. masculinity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men femininity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of women Can anyone list some of those qualities or attributes? Their natural mannerisms/gestures/etc. In other words, behavioral traits that come naturally to them, that they're not doing intentionally. For example, a lot of women are naturally swishy when they walk. Men don't do that naturally unless they happen to be effeminate. Or take "manspreading" for example lol. Women don't manspread when they sit down, but for men it just comes naturally to them. Those are just some examples. What controls or drives these natural behaviors in males and females?? The brain I suppose, since the brain is the control system of the body. Hormones also likely play a role. And not just external behaviors but internal behaviors as well, like someone's level of emotionalness, or sensitivity, etc.
Something else that I just remembered is that some trans people on tv and on the internet have said that they feel/felt disgust with the genitals that they were born with. Whereas a cisgender person would feel just fine with the genitals they were born with. However, that doesn't apply to all trans people, since they are varying degrees of what is termed "gender dysphoria". Some trans people are ok with having (and keeping) the genitalia that they were born with.
To my understanding, ‘ef’ is a prefix from Latin ‘away from’, or perhaps, after the fact. Is the effeminate term the correct use then to describe more feminine characteristics in males?
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Post by Admin on Sept 13, 2020 22:26:22 GMT
Well, that's what I'm asking. Is hostility an "innate masculine quality or attribute," or is it just regarded as such? What should I do when a man tells me to treat him like a woman? Hold the door open for him? Defend his honor when someone insults him? Take a bullet? Hunt for dinosaurs and drag them by their hair, perhaps? History has proven that war is a patriarchal construct. Being warlike and fighting then gets mostly attributed to the male character. Hostility can by and large be born out of anger and frustration and even in the case of war, ignorance and need to prove how male and tough one is. I’d tell him to piss off if some of those stereotypical things are associated with the construct of how males are to treat females to be chivalrous and to prove to himself that he is all woman if a man does that for him because he demands it. As for the Neanderthal take on how males treat females, then that is just a more refined persons take, be they male or female, on the male thug mentality which is by and large a parody of man. A man can have "feminine" traits without actually being a woman, and a woman can have "masculine" traits without actually being a man. That used to be a good thing.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 13, 2020 23:29:48 GMT
Yes.
It really isn't that difficult to understand.
Born in a male body. Feel like a female inside and want your outside body to match your inside feelings.
It is a very touchy subject and I haven't fully researched it, but what i have looked into makes sense to me.
It use to be considered a psychological disorder, but now it is just considered your identity.
Sex is biological. Gender is social construct. That is what the conclusion of the people who study it seem to have some to and it does make sense to me.
I think it is a very messy subject that is reaching almost laughable levels. Stuff like "I don't classify myself as male or female." That is getting way too confusing for me and I tend to just say whatever at this point. Yes, I have read what they mean by this and I still am confused and mostly don't even care.
You are either the male gender, the female gender or a combination of both. There is no other option. Gender is linked to biological sex.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 13, 2020 23:29:52 GMT
Despite having been born with male/female genitalia, what determines innate masculinity/femininity? Better yet, fill in the blank: A girl is really a boy when she has a natural propensity for _____. masculinity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men femininity: qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of women Can anyone list some of those qualities or attributes? Their natural mannerisms/gestures/etc. In other words, behavioral traits that come naturally to them, that they're not doing intentionally. For example, a lot of women are naturally swishy when they walk. Men don't do that naturally unless they happen to be effeminate. Or take "manspreading" for example lol. Women don't manspread when they sit down, but for men it just comes naturally to them. Those are just some examples. What controls or drives these natural behaviors in males and females?? The brain I suppose, since the brain is the control system of the body. Hormones also likely play a role. And not just external behaviors but internal behaviors as well, like someone's level of emotionalness, or sensitivity, etc. Manspreading isn't a brain thing. You stick sensitive, protruding organs between the legs of anyone and they'll spread them. You said in another post "We all know that masculinity is innate in men, and femininity is innate in women. Women are also naturally more emotional than men" but...do we know that? I took a Sociology class that specifically went over that, saying that right out the gate we treat boys tougher and girls softer and this creates the masculinity and femininity in them. And if you tell a feminist that women are more emotional than men, you can probably expect some pushback. You name it, there's someone calling it a social construct or broad generalization.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 13, 2020 23:33:22 GMT
Their natural mannerisms/gestures/etc. In other words, behavioral traits that come naturally to them, that they're not doing intentionally. For example, a lot of women are naturally swishy when they walk. Men don't do that naturally unless they happen to be effeminate. Or take "manspreading" for example lol. Women don't manspread when they sit down, but for men it just comes naturally to them. Those are just some examples. What controls or drives these natural behaviors in males and females?? The brain I suppose, since the brain is the control system of the body. Hormones also likely play a role. And not just external behaviors but internal behaviors as well, like someone's level of emotionalness, or sensitivity, etc. Manspreading isn't a brain thing. You stick sensitive, protruding organs between anyone's legs and they'll spread them. You said in another post "We all know that masculinity is innate in men, and femininity is innate in women. Women are also naturally more emotional than men" but...do we know that? I took a Sociology class that specifically went over that, saying that right out the gate we treat boys tougher and girls softer and this creates the masculinity and femininity in them. And if you tell a feminist that women are more emotional than men, you can probably expect some pushback. You name it, there's someone calling it a social construct or broad generalization. I agree with most of what you said above. This stuff gets very complicated imo, because there are so many variables. I miss when stuff was more simple.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 14, 2020 0:38:51 GMT
Their natural mannerisms/gestures/etc. In other words, behavioral traits that come naturally to them, that they're not doing intentionally. For example, a lot of women are naturally swishy when they walk. Men don't do that naturally unless they happen to be effeminate. Or take "manspreading" for example lol. Women don't manspread when they sit down, but for men it just comes naturally to them. Those are just some examples. What controls or drives these natural behaviors in males and females?? The brain I suppose, since the brain is the control system of the body. Hormones also likely play a role. And not just external behaviors but internal behaviors as well, like someone's level of emotionalness, or sensitivity, etc. Something else that I just remembered is that some trans people on tv and on the internet have said that they feel/felt disgust with the genitals that they were born with. Whereas a cisgender person would feel just fine with the genitals they were born with. However, that doesn't apply to all trans people, since they are varying degrees of what is termed "gender dysphoria". Some trans people are ok with having (and keeping) the genitalia that they were born with.
Those aren't innate qualities or attributes. Anyone can sit with their legs spread and until someone called it "manspreading" it was just a way of sitting that was neither masculine nor feminine. So we're all "theybies" until we decide for ourselves what we are, but we make that decision based on the very social constructs that we are supposed to be deconstructing. Yes, and when a female understands why a dude may feel the need to "manspread", which she never will as she will never have nuts, it is just a ridiculous grasping at straws. Attributing a certain physical trait to something that is born out natural biology, as being masculine, is more born out of a vexed complaint to decry to males for no valid reason other than an entitled notion to feel put out by it. Between you and me, I like "manspreading"......
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 14, 2020 0:47:46 GMT
Yes. It really isn't that difficult to understand. Born in a male body. Feel like a female inside and want your outside body to match your inside feelings. It is a very touchy subject and I haven't fully researched it, but what i have looked into makes sense to me. It use to be considered a psychological disorder, but now it is just considered your identity. Sex is biological. Gender is social construct. That is what the conclusion of the people who study it seem to have some to and it does make sense to me. I think it is a very messy subject that is reaching almost laughable levels. Stuff like "I don't classify myself as male or female." That is getting way too confusing for me and I tend to just say whatever at this point. Yes, I have read what they mean by this and I still am confused and mostly don't even care. You are either the male gender, the female gender or a combination of both. There is no other option. Gender is linked to biological sex. So "gender" is now a "social construct", (its a term that has been around for yonks and the construct of it was to determine if one had a huhu or a ding dong), then you say it is linked to biological sex. Biological sex is either male or female and for many is also represented by gender.
If one is born into the biological sex of a male, but then claim they feel like a female, how would they know what it really feels like to have female biological reproductive organs, when they will NEVER have them, even if the external is altered to resemble that of a female image. It is all a caricature of image.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2020 0:50:01 GMT
Those aren't innate qualities or attributes. Anyone can sit with their legs spread and until someone called it "manspreading" it was just a way of sitting that was neither masculine nor feminine. So we're all "theybies" until we decide for ourselves what we are, but we make that decision based on the very social constructs that we are supposed to be deconstructing.Yes, and when a female understands why a dude may feel the need to "manspread", which she never will as she will never have nuts, it is just a ridiculous grasping at straws. Attributing a certain physical trait to something that is born out natural biology, as being masculine, is more born out of a vexed complaint to decry to males for no valid reason other than an entitled notion to feel put out by it. Between you and me, I like "manspreading"......  Yes, kids, there was a time when men who crossed their legs like the one on the right were called sissies. I guess we call them "transgender women" now?
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 0:51:36 GMT
Yes. It really isn't that difficult to understand. Born in a male body. Feel like a female inside and want your outside body to match your inside feelings. It is a very touchy subject and I haven't fully researched it, but what i have looked into makes sense to me. It use to be considered a psychological disorder, but now it is just considered your identity. Sex is biological. Gender is social construct. That is what the conclusion of the people who study it seem to have some to and it does make sense to me. I think it is a very messy subject that is reaching almost laughable levels. Stuff like "I don't classify myself as male or female." That is getting way too confusing for me and I tend to just say whatever at this point. Yes, I have read what they mean by this and I still am confused and mostly don't even care. You are either the male gender, the female gender or a combination of both. There is no other option. Gender is linked to biological sex. So "gender" is now a "social construct", (its a term that has been around for yonks and the construct of it was to determine if one had a huhu or a ding dong), then you say it is linked to biological sex. Biological sex is either male or female and for many is also represented by gender.
If one is born into the biological sex of a male, but then claim they feel like a female, how would they know what it really feels like to have female biological reproductive organs, when they will NEVER have them, even if the external is altered to resemble that of a female image. It is all a caricature of image.
Ask a professional. I am just relaying what I have heard. I have my own feelings on the matter that will just frustrate me to discuss with you. I also don't want to offend anybody. EDIT - I will respond with caution. From what I gather, a transgender female comes to the conclusion that they have a female mind based on their thoughts and feelings when compared to males and females. It is correct imo that men and women have traits throughout history and a transgender person relates entirely to what they perceive as the female mind. This then causes them to want to be a female in every way because they feel like their mind is in the wrong body. You have to actually discuss this with a transgender person to understand in more detail.
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