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Post by Nora on Sept 13, 2020 13:52:22 GMT
its not preachy at all. its such a delicately woven and soulful story. Didnt feel preachy one bit. About islam, about youth, about values or femininity. It just felt genuine and genuinely scary. It is not looking down on the kids and it doesnt pass the cautionary msg from an ivory tower. it feels raw and poignant and whatever the opposite of preachy is to me  the dictionary says its “tolerant”. hmm you know what felt preachy to me? Ladybird. Or the latest adaptation of the Little Women story. But not this. Also - I remain optimistic and think todays youth can still make it I can get a tad cynical and while I like to hear intelligent criticisms of current movies, it won’t be one I will be rushing out to see. You say the film is against the sexualisation of children. If it has attracted some controversy due to the subject matter, males that go into see the film, especially on their own, may be looked on a suss. Seems like a film designed more for females to see and this is typical of female directors. I didn’t care much for Gerwig’s over praised Lady Bird, but I saw Little Women twice. good point yes I would be cautious as well if I were a guy and this was at the cinema. Luckily is on Netflix ;-) |
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Post by Nora on Sept 14, 2020 5:20:31 GMT
good point yes I would be cautious as well if I were a guy and this was at the cinema. Luckily is on Netflix ;-) Netflix is still getting flack for screening it and the main concern is what audience it’s attracting, apart from those that may choose to watch it over the controversy it has generated. Thing is, any pedo getting off on it, could just as easily get off on any other thing they watch with kids. thats exactly how i see it. if u r not a pedo this movie will not make you into one. if u r a pedo, this movie offers less than regular facebook account of an oblivious suburban mom posting naked toddlers or pre teens in compromising situations. |
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Post by shannondegroot on Sept 14, 2020 17:27:47 GMT
Danica McKellar cancelled her NetFlix subscription because of this.
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Post by Nora on Sept 14, 2020 17:45:03 GMT
Danica McKellar cancelled her NetFlix subscription because of this. I wonder how many people have subscribed to Netflix in order to see this movie? i would love to see those numbers too. but the truth is, the movie is also available pirated so ...  the numbers would be skewed anyway. however, i hope people are also cancelling stuff over toddlers with tiarras, taxi driver, dance moms, sia, leon, lolita and many others. |
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Sept 15, 2020 10:18:10 GMT
I just found out about it. Lots of kids doing suggestive dancing. Normally I like controversial films but this I dont know.
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Post by Nora on Sept 15, 2020 11:24:17 GMT
I just found out about it. Lots of kids doing suggestive dancing. Normally I like controversial films but this I dont know. have you seen it? its not “lots of kids” its 4 kids and there are two scenes of suggestive dancing “only” in a 90 minute movie and both scenes have their very purpuse in this beautifuly told and writtend cautionary tale against producing so much oversexualized content as a society. thos two scenes are hard to watch or cringey at best, but thet serve a purpose. |
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Post by Nora on Sept 15, 2020 11:29:36 GMT
i would love to see those numbers too. but the truth is, the movie is also available pirated so ... the numbers would be skewed anyway. however, i hope people are also cancelling stuff over toddlers with tiarras, taxi driver, dance moms, sia, leon, lolita and many others. I'd say context comes a lot into play, especially in terms of when they were made. The films mentioned above what I have seen "were" considered controversial due to their thematic content and outrage was also projected at them, both Lolitas' especially. I prefer Lyne's version. Its style represented the essence of 1940's Americana, which the over-praised Kubrick eschewed.
With Taxi Driver - 76', this film was told through the eyes of Travis and how repulsed he was by the scum and filth on the sewer streets, not an immature frivolous 11yr old who felt entitled. Iris was a runaway and wasn't being exploited by Scorsese to make a marketing point about exploitation of children and exploiting Foster in the process, and she was also older than 11, Iris was just a symptom of the milieu that Travis traversed and was held ransom to a sick degenerate's exploitation, in the character of Sport. Keitel was terrifying.
ok Foster was 12 not 11 (the main girl in cuties was also 12 btw) and the director of cuties didnt exploit anyone for marketing, it was netflxi who changed the poster and put up the suggestive one, which not only was in poor taste but also Completely mislabeled the movie. Foster was made to dress and act and talk as prostitute in the movie. Hard to say if twerking is same better or worse. there is also nothing frivolous about the movie and the viewer watches it with similar feelings as those of Travis. U dont si there rooting for the firls to keep behaving this way. u are repulsed and scared for them and want them to stop doing what they are doing. Its not a “go girl - girl power movie” its “omg society is disgusting and our kids are its victims we must change something” movie. |
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Post by Nora on Sept 15, 2020 17:47:22 GMT
ok Foster was 12 not 11 (the main girl in cuties was also 12 btw) and the director of cuties didnt exploit anyone for marketing, it was netflxi who changed the poster and put up the suggestive one, which not only was in poor taste but also Completely mislabeled the movie. Foster was made to dress and act and talk as prostitute in the movie. Hard to say if twerking is same better or worse. there is also nothing frivolous about the movie and the viewer watches it with similar feelings as those of Travis. U dont si there rooting for the firls to keep behaving this way. u are repulsed and scared for them and want them to stop doing what they are doing. Its not a “go girl - girl power movie” its “omg society is disgusting and our kids are its victims we must change something” movie. Foster’s performance was considered very daring, she was 12 going on 13 and was 13 when released. I think her character was 13 yrs old in the film if I recall correctly. I don’t know what twerking is, (sounds like another confounded millennial term), yet Iris was an integral character and was emulating the trampy look of an older hooker to sell her wares, a caricature of image. If she was supposed to look sexy, the film within itself and what it’s style and narrative represented, was not by any means intending to promote sexiness or incite lust for her character. I haven’t seen Cuties, wont EVER and won’t even watch the trailer, yet the title itself draws attention to the sexuality of these kids and the film does give the impression of a deliberate and distorted representation and intention to provoke and not for any original or artistic merit. It seems like a biased “woke” agenda film and done for the wrong reasons. Taxi Driver was made in an era when people were still very shockable and film content was constantly breaking new ground. The film is disturbing, not everyone’s cup of tea, especially for the precious and sensitive, yet cinematically and creatively, it is a “fascinating” film and is considered a classic for good reason. It was new and fresh and wasn’t goading. Brooke Shields starred in Louis Malle’s Pretty Baby - 78’ when she was 12, about a turn of the century New Orleans brothel. This film was rightly deemed controversial, yet within the historical context of the film, the integrity with which it was made and the tasteful and skilled handling of the subject matter, it is one born more out of observation like peeking through a window, but not designed for titillation. It doesn’t judge its characters, nor does it condescend to its audience and is genuine cinematic art. It could be considered disturbing and shocking, but doesn’t feel it. If anything, I would question why Shields mother allowed her to star and appear nude for Malle. I think Pretty Baby would have still attracted a lot of creeps, but it’s not a crime to be a creep just within and of itself. Hinkley was a creep and was apparently obsessed with Foster in Taxi Driver and attempted to assassinate Reagan for his obsession, yet he likely more identified with Travis Bickle as in playing the saviour role. I know what you mean and am ok with u not watching it just please know it really is Nof any kind of woke agenda, its actually Opposite, its saying the world is too woke in some areas and look at what its doing to our little ones. which coincidently is also how the originale title could have been and should have been translated. As the liftle ones, not cuties. Again, Netflix marketing fail I think. |
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Sept 15, 2020 18:17:05 GMT
I just found out about it. Lots of kids doing suggestive dancing. Normally I like controversial films but this I dont know. have you seen it? its not “lots of kids” its 4 kids and there are two scenes of suggestive dancing “only” in a 90 minute movie and both scenes have their very purpuse in this beautifuly told and writtend cautionary tale against producing so much oversexualized content as a society. thos two scenes are hard to watch or cringey at best, but thet serve a purpose. I have not seen it.
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Post by Vits on Oct 1, 2020 21:00:06 GMT
In MIGNONNES (CUTIES), an 11-year-old girl named Amy lives in a conservative home and she notices how her popular classmates wear sexy outfits. She befriends them and joins their dance crew. Yes, it's a concept we've seen before, but the execution is compelling and it puts a new spin on its tropes. Is it true that the actresses are over-sexualized which contradicts the message? Well, sort of. It's not about the content per se but the presentation. A couple of times, when the title characters dance, the camera moves up and down (like we, the audience, are supposed to admire their bodies from head to toe). Yes, it made me feel uncomfortable, but not in the way I think it was intended. This actually would've worked better with a different approach, because the girls record some of their practice sessions with their phones. If they had sat down to watch their own videos and the footage was presented to us exactly the same as it is now, it would've been a valid in-universe reason. It would've meant that whoever was holding the phone was trying to make her friends look hot. Luckily, in most scenes, the shot composition is more "matter of fact," making the distinction between fiction and reality more clear. At times, there are point-of-view shots with not that much editing, which makes sense since the protagonist appears in every minute and the entire plot consists of her reactions to each event. A good chunk of the running time consists of these little ladies playing games, pulling pranks and even acting goofily for no reason. It shows that they should stop fighting against their innocence, because it's always present. I laughed my ass off at their factually wrong conversations about sex, which highlight how far from adulthood they truly are. I'm sure this all sounds like a predictable story, but there are a lot of surprises. For instance, we all expect the friends to make Amy do more and more extreme things until she reaches rock bottom, right? Well, without anyone telling her, Amy decides to take nude photos of herself and publish them online. Her (slutty) friends act like even that's too far for them and they kick her out of the crew. We all expect Mariam (Amy's mother) to be a Muslim extremist who gets angry at Amy for everything that seems improper, even before finding out about her new hobby, right? She's actually very patient. Amy stabs a pencil in a boy's hand (after he touched her ass) and it's the only time Mariam yells at her and slaps her. Granted, it could've occurred before, because we're never shown what happens after Amy throws a phone out the window, or after Amy lets her little brother Ismaël out of her sight, resulting in their apartment getting flooded. I'm sure that reading a list of Amy's bad deeds might make you think she's a villain who doesn't deserve happiness. No, aside from another girl almost drowning after being pushed by Amy into a lake (my jaw was on the floor!), she does what lost children do when they act out. That's why, at the end, Mariam steps outside allowing Amy to decide if she wants to join her at a ceremony. She doesn't even say "Change from your dance uniform into that traditional dress!" Letting her daughter do whatever she wants in general isn't the answer (honestly, she had already been doing that), but Mariam is giving her a choice in this particular situation. Amy never wanted to have sex or anything like that; she wanted to be noticed and treated like a person. Mariam sees that she still needs to grow up, but her levels of intelligence and maturity are still high enough to know certain things. While Amy's not an adult, she's also not a baby. This is when the main theme is revealed: Just because you're only given 2 paths to choose from, it doesn't mean you can't create a 3rd one. Amy leaves both her uniform and her dress on her bed. She puts on normal clothes that she's comfortable with. And instead of keep tying her hair up or keep straightening it, she lets her lovely curls loose. She goes outside to play with the neighborhood kids. Not every loose end is tied, but that's OK. The movie isn't saying that she has become a better person, but rather than she has realized who she is (flaws and all). Will she suffer the consequences of her actions off-screen after the end credits have rolled? Definitely, but we don't need to see that, since this journey has been completed. Now, going back to the idea of finding a middle ground... Usually, Islam is either condemned or glorified by the media. This film is surprisingly somewhere in between. Yes, there's the critique of how women are treated and how girls are considered "marriage material" the moment they get their period. No wonder Amy is so confused: Everywhere she turns, someone is telling her to be a sex object (in different ways). Anyway, other aspects are portrayed positively. For example, Mariam calls a priest to make sure that Amy's behavior isn't caused by a spiritual possession. Obviously, this guy will be even more of a traditionalist than everyone else, right? No, he tells Mariam "I know that your husband has chosen a second wife and I can see that you're in pain. Just so you know, you can end your marriage if you want." Seriously?! He's religious enough to approve of polygamy but not enough to view the female gender as inferior?! Who would've guessed that?! 8/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog. |
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Oct 2, 2020 5:29:21 GMT
...kids doing suggestive dancing. Normally I like controversial films but this I dont know. THIS is "suggestive" dancing...
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Oct 2, 2020 11:43:47 GMT
I will just say this: other than for the shock value, I can’t think of any reason for the director to include so many close shots of the girls’ crotches and butts. It would have been exactly the same story with exactly the same message (whatever that was) if the girls had performed exactly the same inappropriate choreographies but the director had framed the shots of the dance numbers differently.
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the numbers would be skewed anyway.
