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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 13, 2020 17:09:08 GMT
And the one character in the movie who genuinely seems to care about the little people (i.e. Selina Kyle) sells out for a pearl necklace and a life of luxury as Bruce Wayne's woman. Edit: wasn't sure which board was most appropriate, this one, the politics of, or the DC board. Eventually, I picked this one.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 13, 2020 17:12:05 GMT
I dunno, that might a little far reaching. BUt then again I have no desire to rewatch the boring, bloated mess.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 13, 2020 17:16:41 GMT
No.
Bruce Wayne is just about order and is forced out of retirement by a terrorist. He is rich, but he doesn't really look at the bigger picture in that sense. To me at least. Bruce Wayne goes to rich events to keep up appearances. Remember that this is the guy who didn't even act rich for the majority of his life. 10 years as a happy kid, 11 years as a depressed teenager/young adult, 8 years of his life was spent poor and another 8 wallowing in his own self-pity. He spends less then 2 years as the typical rich person and that stuff is just to make it less obvious that at night he is risking his life for the people of Gotham.
Bruce Wayne is not a "class justice warrior" and never has been.
Selina Kyle does not sell out for a pearl necklace either. That is a ridiculously simplistic way of looking at it.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 13, 2020 17:36:14 GMT
The movie was written before Occupy Wall Street.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 13, 2020 17:39:06 GMT
The movie was written before Occupy Wall Street. That is true. Occupy Wall Street started September 2011, filming of TDKR started before that. The script was likely being finished up in early 2011. Is it possible that he added that stuff into the script while filming? I doubt it. Filming finished in November 2011 and the first trailers were in December 2011 and January of 2012.
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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 13, 2020 17:44:40 GMT
Ironic since Rush Limbaugh ranted and raved about how Bane was supposed to represent Mitt Romney.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 13, 2020 20:55:15 GMT
Before OWS or not, there was a growing resentment toward the rich following the housing crisis and Nolan was tapping into that. I don't think you can make three right wing reactionary films in a row on accident, but intended or not, that's what he did.
Batman Begins is about a left wing idealist who uses his riches to try to improve things for the poor. He ends up shot by one of them for his troubles. His son decides "fuck that liberal noise" and to punch the poor instead, destroying his father's socialist train system as a symbolic gesture. It should be pointed out that these aspects were mostly invented by Nolan for the film and not in the Batman comic, which is already considered a right wing fantasy.
The Dark Knight starts off by favorably comparing Batman to Rome's dictators, before demonstrating why the illegal invasion of a country, enhanced interrogation, and surveillance states are necessary evils in the name of catching a Terrorist (capital T) who's motivations are irrelevant.
Then you have TDKR. If anyone seriously doubts the OP's conclusion, rewatch the scene where Catwoman and her friend Juno Temple walk into a raided mansion and Catwoman remarks "This was someone's home", to which Juno Temple spontaneously dons a hammer and sickle and replies "Now it's everyone's" and laughs manically (some exaggeration).
Some people have vested interest in denying this stuff is there, for whatever reason. I especially can't see how the War on Terror stuff can be a whacky coincidence, and barring that, Nolan literally called out his protagonist as a full-on fascist. Personally, I can enjoy a movie even if I don't agree with it, which is why I can have TDK as my avatar. It's also why I think you're a stupid, worthless pussy if you can't handle something like Bill and Ted 3 having 10 seconds of girl power shit.
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Post by ck100 on Sept 13, 2020 21:20:24 GMT
Am I the only one who actually likes The Dark Knight Rises?
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 13, 2020 21:29:43 GMT
Am I the only one who actually likes The Dark Knight Rises? Yup. That is why when you look at the Nolan rankings I asked people for had people generally favorable towards it and some that like it more than The Dark Knight. Something I don't understand and something that likely has moviebuffbrad pulling his hair out over.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Sept 13, 2020 21:32:09 GMT
I just thought it was an overrated superhero film.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 13, 2020 21:51:08 GMT
So, we’re not going to address the fact that TDKR ends with the rich guy’s home becoming an orphanage?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 13, 2020 22:08:32 GMT
Am I the only one who actually likes The Dark Knight Rises? Yup. That is why when you look at the Nolan rankings I asked people for had people generally favorable towards it and some that like it more than The Dark Knight. Something I don't understand and something that likely has moviebuffbrad pulling his hair out over.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 13, 2020 22:09:54 GMT
Am I the only one who actually likes The Dark Knight Rises? No, I still like it a lot.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Sept 13, 2020 22:53:00 GMT
Am I the only one who actually likes The Dark Knight Rises? I liked it as well. Liked all three.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Sept 13, 2020 23:01:49 GMT
Am I the only one who actually likes The Dark Knight Rises? I love it.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Sept 14, 2020 1:50:21 GMT
Am I the only one who actually likes The Dark Knight Rises? I quite like it. I don't love it like TDK & BB. Yet, it is the most friendly neighbourhood Batman of the trilogy, which was a fresh angle.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 14, 2020 2:14:18 GMT
Then you have TDKR. If anyone seriously doubts the OP's conclusion, rewatch the scene where Catwoman and her friend Juno Temple walk into a raided mansion and Catwoman remarks "This was someone's home", to which Juno Temple spontaneously dons a hammer and sickle and replies "Now it's everyone's" and laughs manically (some exaggeration). I'm pretty sure I audibly groaned when I heard Juno Temple's line.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 14, 2020 2:17:09 GMT
Am I the only one who actually likes The Dark Knight Rises? I actually still like it in spite of my issues with it, though it's easily the Nolan film that I'm most conflicted about. Political stuff aside, don't even get me started on the "I knew you were Batman because I saw a look your eye" nonsense.
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Post by ck100 on Sept 14, 2020 3:32:12 GMT
Maltin Movie Guide Review:
The Dark Knight Rises (2012) - 3 out of 4 stars
"Eight years after the last chapter of the story, Bruce Wayne (Bale) has become a recluse, his body and spirit beaten down. But the appearance of a ferocious villain named Bane (Hardy), who threatens not just Gotham City but all of humanity, inspires Wayne to harness his inner strength and rebuild his body to become Batman once again. With more humor and grace notes but just as many story detours as the previous film, this one offers juicy moments to Caine, Hathaway, and a new straight-arrow cop character well-played by Gordon-Levitt. Still a bit self-serious but roundly entertaining, with a highly-satisfying finale."
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 14, 2020 4:09:29 GMT
Am I the only one who actually likes The Dark Knight Rises? I actually still like it in spite of my issues with it, though it's easily the Nolan film that I'm most conflicted about. Political stuff aside, don't even get me started on the "I knew you were Batman because I saw a look your eye" nonsense. I don't have any issue with Juno Temple's line, but the "I knew you were Batman because of your eyes" thing is one of the more ridiculous things about the movie. The point of it seemed to be to save time, but done in a very lazy way. I just kind of went with it in that time saving way. The movie does this quite often. The Dark Knight Rises wants to do too much with not enough time. It's felt like Nolan wanted to give everybody everything he thought they wanted and it was too much for one movie imo. It also feels like he just wanted to get the trilogy done with.
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