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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Sept 14, 2020 15:12:11 GMT
I started watching it when it hit Netflix. So far I think it's pretty good. I mean it's cheesy at parts, but I think that's intentional. I like the cast. They do a good job redefining the establishing characters while creating the new ones. I honestly don't remember the Karate Kid movies all that well, so I think I'm gonna have to go back and rewatch.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 11:10:28 GMT
It’s an example of a reboot to a franchise done right.
It’s not focused on nostalgia alone.
It takes a cliche 1980s “hero” (Daniel) and a “villain” (Johnny) and turns that narrative on it’s head.
Now we see it from Johnny’s perspective. In his mind, Daniel stole his girlfriend and ruined the one thing he had, Karate by beating him in the finals (with an illegal kick).
It shows both characters as just regular guys, both flawed. No hero, no villain. And the kids are a reversal. Miguel is like the Daniel of “Cobra Kai”. Moving to the area, getting beat up by teens. Johnny steps in and saves him (instead of Mr. Myagi). Then he beats the juvenile delinquent Robby in the finals.
But both are good kids, but both have flaws too. It’s great writing, great character development, I love Johnnys arc from deadbeat loser who is past his prime and reliving his glory days of the 1980s to the well put together guy who sees “No Mercy” isn’t right and wants to change.
My favorite episodes are in season 1 when Johnny and Daniel realize they are more alike than different. Drinking at the bar, and in season 2, the double date.
My favorite kid (other than Miguel) is Hawk. His transformation from Eli the nerd to Hawk the badass is great. Too bad he goes too far. I hope he gets redemption in season 3. It goes to show the bullied kid isn’t automatically a good guy. Once he flipped the script, he wanted to be the bully.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 17, 2020 21:09:18 GMT
It's a fantastic show, so much so it makes me appreciate the original movies more than I did. It could have easily ridden off the "Johnny was the hero" meme, but it's so much more than that. Season 2 wasn't as good as season 1, but I'm still looking forward to season 3.
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Post by dazz on Sept 18, 2020 18:13:04 GMT
Just wached it this week, never like The Karate Kid films hence my hesitance to initially venture out to check the show out, but I am glad I finally did, it's a very cool show imo, all the characters are very flawed for like 95% of the characters but it is what makes them interesting for the most part.
The skill progression is hilarious though, obviously not as bad as some shows but to think characters like Eli aka Hawk go from weak and untrained to doing crazy flashy step off spin kicks and shit in like under a year is kind of funny, but the Miagi Do trainee's progression is even more ridiculous imo, but yeah it's still a fun show if you ignore those parts.
Cannot wait for S3, should be a blast.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Oct 7, 2020 22:28:29 GMT
It’s an example of a reboot to a franchise done right. It's not a reboot, but a sequel series - much like Ash vs Evil Dead, which is the only other sequel TV series to a movie set I know about. And also uses a 20-30 minute episode format, as it happens. Both are examples of nostalgia done right, but Cobra Kai especially. I just binged both seasons on Netflix. I've only actually seen the very first Karate Kid movie before, and decided I wanted to watch them first - but then Netflix yanked them. Still, Cobra Kai delivered, especially the first season. I wasn't too keen on all the character arcs in the second season, but maybe we'll see it pay off in the third. It was funny to see how Daniel was the bigger prick this time. Johnny always tried to better himself, in spite of some dick moves early on, whereas Daniel actually tried to destroy Johnny. By the end of the second season, Johnny was the bigger man.
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Post by hi224 on Oct 7, 2020 22:34:39 GMT
It’s an example of a reboot to a franchise done right. It's not a reboot, but a sequel series - much like Ash vs Evil Dead, which is the only other sequel TV series to a movie set I know about. And also uses a 20-30 minute episode format, as it happens. Both are examples of nostalgia done right, but Cobra Kai especially. I just binged both seasons on Netflix. I've only actually seen the very first Karate Kid movie before, and decided I wanted to watch them first - but then Netflix yanked them. Still, Cobra Kai delivered, especially the first season. I wasn't too keen on all the character arcs in the second season, but maybe we'll see it pay off in the third. It was funny to see how Daniel was the bigger prick this time. Johnny always tried to better himself, in spite of some dick moves early on, whereas Daniel actually tried to destroy Johnny. By the end of the second season, Johnny was the bigger man. i love that choice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 0:08:27 GMT
It’s an example of a reboot to a franchise done right. It's not a reboot, but a sequel series - much like Ash vs Evil Dead, which is the only other sequel TV series to a movie set I know about. And also uses a 20-30 minute episode format, as it happens. Both are examples of nostalgia done right, but Cobra Kai especially. I just binged both seasons on Netflix. I've only actually seen the very first Karate Kid movie before, and decided I wanted to watch them first - but then Netflix yanked them. Still, Cobra Kai delivered, especially the first season. I wasn't too keen on all the character arcs in the second season, but maybe we'll see it pay off in the third. It was funny to see how Daniel was the bigger prick this time. Johnny always tried to better himself, in spite of some dick moves early on, whereas Daniel actually tried to destroy Johnny. By the end of the second season, Johnny was the bigger man. It’s not a “remake” but it is a reboot. It rebooted the franchise. But I agree with your analysis. Spot on.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Oct 8, 2020 7:01:13 GMT
It's not a reboot, but a sequel series - much like Ash vs Evil Dead, which is the only other sequel TV series to a movie set I know about. And also uses a 20-30 minute episode format, as it happens. Both are examples of nostalgia done right, but Cobra Kai especially. I just binged both seasons on Netflix. I've only actually seen the very first Karate Kid movie before, and decided I wanted to watch them first - but then Netflix yanked them. Still, Cobra Kai delivered, especially the first season. I wasn't too keen on all the character arcs in the second season, but maybe we'll see it pay off in the third. It was funny to see how Daniel was the bigger prick this time. Johnny always tried to better himself, in spite of some dick moves early on, whereas Daniel actually tried to destroy Johnny. By the end of the second season, Johnny was the bigger man. It’s not a “remake” but it is a reboot. It rebooted the franchise. But I agree with your analysis. Spot on. A reboot is a do-over, like Battlestar Galactica, Superman, Batman, etc. It's a re-imagination of old characters, and the old source material is declared null and void. Then you have soft reboots, which are ostensibly a continuation of the old, even though they are essentially remakes - like Jurassic World, Force Awakens or Terminator: Dark Fate. Cobra Kai, however, not only do not remake the old films in any way, but follows in direct continuation and reaffirms that the the events of the movies really happened, in the way we saw them in the movies. The original movies are treated as canon, and Cobra Kai is a sequel that takes place 34 years after the first movie. It's a different format, but that doesn't make it a reboot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 9:49:44 GMT
It’s not a “remake” but it is a reboot. It rebooted the franchise. But I agree with your analysis. Spot on. A reboot is a do-over, like Battlestar Galactica, Superman, Batman, etc. It's a re-imagination of old characters, and the old source material is declared null and void. Then you have soft reboots, which are ostensibly a continuation of the old, even though they are essentially remakes - like Jurassic World, Force Awakens or Terminator: Dark Fate. Cobra Kai, however, not only do not remake the old films in any way, but follows in direct continuation and reaffirms that the the events of the movies really happened, in the way we saw them in the movies. The original movies are treated as canon, and Cobra Kai is a sequel that takes place 34 years after the first movie. It's a different format, but that doesn't make it a reboot. You’re just used to the term being used in that way. A reboot means you’re taking a franchise and restarting it. It could be where it left off, or with new actors but the same subject or content. Besides. They are ignoring the events of “The Next Karate Kid” and that Karate Kid with Jackie Chan and little Will Smith. So it’s like when “Halloween” was rebooted recently. It’s a sequel to the original, but ignoring “Halloween II” through the remakes and sequels. Pretending they don’t exist.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Oct 8, 2020 10:07:24 GMT
A reboot is a do-over, like Battlestar Galactica, Superman, Batman, etc. It's a re-imagination of old characters, and the old source material is declared null and void. Then you have soft reboots, which are ostensibly a continuation of the old, even though they are essentially remakes - like Jurassic World, Force Awakens or Terminator: Dark Fate. Cobra Kai, however, not only do not remake the old films in any way, but follows in direct continuation and reaffirms that the the events of the movies really happened, in the way we saw them in the movies. The original movies are treated as canon, and Cobra Kai is a sequel that takes place 34 years after the first movie. It's a different format, but that doesn't make it a reboot. You’re just used to the term being used in that way. A reboot means you’re taking a franchise and restarting it. It could be where it left off, or with new actors but the same subject or content. Besides. They are ignoring the events of “The Next Karate Kid” and that Karate Kid with Jackie Chan and little Will Smith. That's because "The Next Karate Kid" is a soft reboot, and "The Karate Kid" (with Jackie Chan) is a full-blown reboot. And that's a soft reboot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 10:31:48 GMT
You’re just used to the term being used in that way. A reboot means you’re taking a franchise and restarting it. It could be where it left off, or with new actors but the same subject or content. Besides. They are ignoring the events of “The Next Karate Kid” and that Karate Kid with Jackie Chan and little Will Smith. That's because "The Next Karate Kid" is a soft reboot, and "The Karate Kid" (with Jackie Chan) is a full-blown reboot. And that's a soft reboot. But we can’t confuse Remake with Reboot.
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Post by dazz on Oct 9, 2020 9:23:48 GMT
You’re just used to the term being used in that way. A reboot means you’re taking a franchise and restarting it. It could be where it left off, or with new actors but the same subject or content. Besides. They are ignoring the events of “The Next Karate Kid” and that Karate Kid with Jackie Chan and little Will Smith. That's because "The Next Karate Kid" is a soft reboot, and "The Karate Kid" (with Jackie Chan) is a full-blown reboot. And that's a soft reboot. Is The 4th film a reboot or just a sequel without one of the leads? seems more like a sequel, and anyway doesn't really matter due to the reboot, sequel, remake whatever the hell you want to call either the 4th or 5th films, this is going back to the original trillogies canon, so it is a reboot of the franchise, same way even if they didn't retcon Parts 2-8 of Halloween out of the continuity by going back to the original film timeline in anyway and not the Rob Zombie timeline it was rebooting the series, same with Ash Vs. Evil Dead. Also due to all the shenanigans they do now with this stuff, where it's a reboot pre-sequel remake of a spin off to the original blah blah blah, the term reboot no longer means the same as remake, if you reboot a franchise it just means you are breathing new life into it, you know they have rebooted Batman 4 times now for film, but they haven't really remade any of the movies, then you also have a reimagining, which is what Battlestar and Rob Zombies Halloween were, old source material somewhat retold under a new lens, because a remake can be a shot for shot remake ala Psycho. Reboot is also exclusively used to refer to a franchise, and Karate Kid also includes a cartoon, so a reboot is what Cobra Kai is, because it is literally saying ok fuck Jaden Smith, hell with the cartoon and forget part 4, ok here we go 30+ years later here we go.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Oct 9, 2020 12:16:02 GMT
That's because "The Next Karate Kid" is a soft reboot, and "The Karate Kid" (with Jackie Chan) is a full-blown reboot. And that's a soft reboot. Is The 4th film a reboot or just a sequel without one of the leads? The titular character of the original films is absent, so it isn't a sequel. Spin-off is more apt. But since it seems to be essentially the original Karate Kid movie just with a different character (I guess - I haven't actually seen it), it's a soft reboot. But it doesn't replace the original films, the characters are the same, so in no way can it be called a reboot - precisely because it leaves the original movies alone. It's not even a rehash of the same plot, but new plot lines altogether. The original Karate Kid movies focused on the student - Cobra Kai focuses on the teachers. I haven't seen any but the first Haloween movie, so can't comment on that - but Ash vs Evil Dead is not a reboot. It's not a reboot just because you revive an old franchise, a reboot clears away the old franchise and begins the whole thing from scratch. Like Battlestar Galactica. What does "reboot" mean? It means restart. No - that is precisely what a reboot is not. A reboot is a reimagining of an old franchise, it tries to be its own thing, independent of the original material. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was an attempt to breathe new life into a franchise that had been left alone for 19 years. It was the third sequel to Raiders, and not at all a reboot. The Star Wars prequel trilogy breathed new life into the Star Wars franchise, which - even though the franchise was already alive and well through comics and novels - had lain dormant for 16 years. This was not a reboot, either. Force Awakens, however, is both a sequel and a reboot, which makes it a soft reboot. It's a sequel because it takes place after the events of Return of the Jedi, but it's a reboot because it doesn't deal with the original storyline at all but replaces it with another - which is the same as the storyline of A New Hope. It's a retelling of A New Hope within the same universe, meaning it's a reboot that overlaps with the original material. Just like Dark Fate did with the original Terminator movies: "ok, in this movie, all that stuff in the first couple movies, that has happened. But we're done with that now, and now we want to tell the exact same story again, with different names. But it's totally the same universe, honest." The Jaden Smith Karate Kid was a reboot. Or rather, an attempt to reboot. If it had generated any sequels, then it would have been a successful reboot. I don't know why the comics should be considered canon, but The Next Karate Kid is accepted as canon in Cobra Kai. A reboot never features the same main actors in the same main roles. What has been restarted if that's the case? It's not a reboot just because it's been a long time since the previous instalment.
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Post by dazz on Oct 10, 2020 5:36:17 GMT
Is The 4th film a reboot or just a sequel without one of the leads? The titular character of the original films is absent, so it isn't a sequel. Spin-off is more apt. But since it seems to be essentially the original Karate Kid movie just with a different character (I guess - I haven't actually seen it), it's a soft reboot. But it doesn't replace the original films, the characters are the same, so in no way can it be called a reboot - precisely because it leaves the original movies alone. It's not even a rehash of the same plot, but new plot lines altogether. The original Karate Kid movies focused on the student - Cobra Kai focuses on the teachers. I haven't seen any but the first Haloween movie, so can't comment on that - but Ash vs Evil Dead is not a reboot. It's not a reboot just because you revive an old franchise, a reboot clears away the old franchise and begins the whole thing from scratch. Like Battlestar Galactica. What does "reboot" mean? It means restart. No - that is precisely what a reboot is not. A reboot is a reimagining of an old franchise, it tries to be its own thing, independent of the original material. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was an attempt to breathe new life into a franchise that had been left alone for 19 years. It was the third sequel to Raiders, and not at all a reboot. The Star Wars prequel trilogy breathed new life into the Star Wars franchise, which - even though the franchise was already alive and well through comics and novels - had lain dormant for 16 years. This was not a reboot, either. Force Awakens, however, is both a sequel and a reboot, which makes it a soft reboot. It's a sequel because it takes place after the events of Return of the Jedi, but it's a reboot because it doesn't deal with the original storyline at all but replaces it with another - which is the same as the storyline of A New Hope. It's a retelling of A New Hope within the same universe, meaning it's a reboot that overlaps with the original material. Just like Dark Fate did with the original Terminator movies: "ok, in this movie, all that stuff in the first couple movies, that has happened. But we're done with that now, and now we want to tell the exact same story again, with different names. But it's totally the same universe, honest." The Jaden Smith Karate Kid was a reboot. Or rather, an attempt to reboot. If it had generated any sequels, then it would have been a successful reboot. I don't know why the comics should be considered canon, but The Next Karate Kid is accepted as canon in Cobra Kai. A reboot never features the same main actors in the same main roles. What has been restarted if that's the case? It's not a reboot just because it's been a long time since the previous instalment. You missed the point and are not getting the difference between Reboot and Remake or a Reimagining, a remake doesn't have to be a reimagining, but both are reboots, though not all reboots are remakes or reimagining's, reimagining is you are telling the original story with new elements and new flare/purpose, ala Battlestar, the Nightmare on Elm Street remake or RZ's Halloween, Remake is when you retell the original story but you can do so in a large scope, you can retell it exactly story and cinematically so it's a shot for shot remake ala the Disney live action remakes or Psycho, or you can change significant elements ala Scarface, or you can retell the core story but change almost all the other aspects ala Karate Kid 2010, but with a reboot you don't need to retell any story, you just reset to a different part of the canon/continuity or merge them somehow. Ash Vs. Evil Dead for instance kept both Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2 which was a remake of the original film as canon as they used things from both in the continuity of the series, so it was a soft reboot in how it merged the first 2 films into a single narrative, but it also I think reset from 2013's Evil Dead so again it rebooted the series from that point going back to Ash, which again with Halloween as soon as they were not going to carry on from RZ's films it was a reboot of the franchise even if they decided to make Halloween 9 with a now half burned up Michael off of Resurrection. Cobra Kai is rebooting the story, restoring it's focus, moving it away from Jayden Smith or Hillary Swank's characters back to the original characters from the first movie, and as of yet they haven't made any mentions of the events of the 4th or 5th films, so until they do they seemingly have retconned them out of the continuity, this may change but as for now the only movies referenced are those with Daniel in them. Think of it like this it is like rebooting your computer, you don't need to reboot the computer to factory settings, you can reboot it from a restore point, which is what the end of each movies creates, you can reboot a film from it's original factory setting and make a remake or reimagining or you can reboot from a later entry and just create a new line of continuity.
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Post by permutojoe on Oct 14, 2020 2:39:48 GMT
It’s an example of a reboot to a franchise done right. It’s not focused on nostalgia alone. It takes a cliche 1980s “hero” (Daniel) and a “villain” (Johnny) and turns that narrative on it’s head. Now we see it from Johnny’s perspective. In his mind, Daniel stole his girlfriend and ruined the one thing he had, Karate by beating him in the finals (with an illegal kick). It shows both characters as just regular guys, both flawed. No hero, no villain. And the kids are a reversal. Miguel is like the Daniel of “Cobra Kai”. Moving to the area, getting beat up by teens. Johnny steps in and saves him (instead of Mr. Myagi). Then he beats the juvenile delinquent Robby in the finals. But both are good kids, but both have flaws too. It’s great writing, great character development, I love Johnnys arc from deadbeat loser who is past his prime and reliving his glory days of the 1980s to the well put together guy who sees “No Mercy” isn’t right and wants to change. My favorite episodes are in season 1 when Johnny and Daniel realize they are more alike than different. Drinking at the bar, and in season 2, the double date. My favorite kid (other than Miguel) is Hawk. His transformation from Eli the nerd to Hawk the badass is great. Too bad he goes too far. I hope he gets redemption in season 3. It goes to show the bullied kid isn’t automatically a good guy. Once he flipped the script, he wanted to be the bully. That's true although Johnny was always a 3D character with an arc. As you probably recall in the original movie at the end he congratulates Daniel as he gives him the trophy.
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Post by Vits on Dec 24, 2020 15:07:04 GMT
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