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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 21:50:58 GMT
You are arguing that hate should be returned with hate, though, and so is Peterson. What is the end goal of treating disrespect with disrespect? Or perhaps to put it more bluntly, what is the end result of an eye for an eye? Who do I find inspiring? My dear, elderly mother-- a tough lady as they come to raise me at the very least. This guy I know who had his arm blown off in Afghanistan but still has an authentic smile. A guy I know who is a train-hopping vagabond who keeps a piano in an alley here and can play any song you can think of naming. Many more, I'm sure, but no need going down the whole list. I don't pay much attention to those who tell me how to live. I pay attention to those who do live. Those all sound like very inspiring people. Something else that should be given consideration, I think, is that there are those of us who need to be shown the way. You said all those great things about your mother. You're lucky for that and I know that you know it. But some of us got dealt patents who were less than stable. And these people are going to be the kind of people who need role models and that's what JP is for a lot of people. And I'm not a hateful person by nature - at all - but I can admit to having to overcome a victim mentality that was nurtured in our household. And the fact that Jordan Peterson makes me want to be the opposite of a victim is nothing short of a miracle. I didn't see that one coming. Peterson didn't do anything. What he's said is what I could tell you: You should have respect for yourself. You are strong. You're a good person. You can be an even better person. It isn't me who needs to believe this, it's you. These are things you want to believe. These are things you should believe. All he's done is state the obvious in flowery language. Ultimately, he didn't guide you to that conclusion; you guided yourself to it. This was something you did, not Peterson. So perhaps don't give him more credit than you give yourself.
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Post by dirtypillows on Sept 16, 2020 21:51:39 GMT
I wouldn't say he equivocates. He's just very able to see several sides to a situation. I didn't find any flaws in his logic regarding the newly appointed pronouns. He said that if the individual/student came up to him and asked him if he would address the person by their gender preferred pronoun and was not rude or demanding about it, he would have no problem complying. It was when people got all arrogant and demanding about it that he didn't feel like obliging them. If you can point out any flaw here, I would appreciate hearing it. One thing i love about Jordan Peterson is he does not overcomplicate issues. I find him very unpretentious. I also love how he is not going to be swayed that masculinity and femininity are not important and relevant distinctions. And if he can motivate people (particularly males) to want to better themselves and have more self-confidence, then the proof is in the pudding. Certainly, I can point out his flaw. He's of the opinion here that respect should be shown only to those who show respect. What ultimately does that lead to? Conflict. If you're disrespectful towards me for whatever reason-- maybe you've had a bad day, maybe you just don't like the cut of my jib-- under Peterson's philosophy, I should return that disrespect. "You've been rude to me so I'm going to be rude right back. You'll take the medicine you spoon out." What sort of interpersonal interaction does that form? One which is beneficial? Or one which breeds conflict? You'd surely agree it is better when we work together. That's what civilization is built on. So how does it help to fuel conflict rather than to work out of it, in your opinion? I would say that why would anybody go into an interaction with the idea of not respecting the other person? And if this is the person's attitude (short of the fallacious first impression), then why should Jordan Peterson or anybody else go out of his way to be accommodating? Like I said, I never got the meeting hate with hate from JP.
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Post by dirtypillows on Sept 16, 2020 21:56:55 GMT
Those all sound like very inspiring people. Something else that should be given consideration, I think, is that there are those of us who need to be shown the way. You said all those great things about your mother. You're lucky for that and I know that you know it. But some of us got dealt patents who were less than stable. And these people are going to be the kind of people who need role models and that's what JP is for a lot of people. And I'm not a hateful person by nature - at all - but I can admit to having to overcome a victim mentality that was nurtured in our household. And the fact that Jordan Peterson makes me want to be the opposite of a victim is nothing short of a miracle. I didn't see that one coming. Peterson didn't do anything. What he's said is what I could tell you: You should have respect for yourself. You are strong. You're a good person. You can be an even better person. It isn't me who needs to believe this, it's you. These are things you want to believe. These are things you should believe. All he's done is state the obvious in flowery language. Ultimately, he didn't guide you to that conclusion; you guided yourself to it. This was something you did, not Peterson. So perhaps don't give him more credit than you give yourself. Well, I appreciate the kind words, but it hasn't always been obvious to me. And I have a slew of role models. I may have finally come to certain upbeat conclusions, but Jordan Peterson has been very inspiring to me. What else can I say about this? You really find his language flowery? I think he speaks beautifully.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 16, 2020 21:59:53 GMT
No. I started reading his book and he's talking about lobsters and how they have a hierarchy and alpha lobsters which just reminds me of everything I hate about this world so I stopped reading his 12 rules for living, what a pretentious title Oh bullpatties. He explains everything based on merit and achievements, not "entitlement" which is the way we're headed right now in society. There's an entitlement rich society developing that wants everything for free, and Jordan talks about hierarchy for security and skill so we earn our places in life. What's so pretentious about that? Instead we are giving out degrees in gender studies and filling race-based or gender-based quota-filled jobs that have nothing to do with if they're qualified to do their job adeptly. You sincerely see nothing wrong with this picture? ![](https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.jXpCecYc7LT6vBTdG6OIwgHaG2?w=191&h=180&c=7&o=5&dpr=2&pid=1.7.jpg) Yeah, people haven't been overlooked for jobs based on their race and gender until it started happening to white guys. These quotas are being put into place for no reason. Only I am entitled to entitlement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 22:02:05 GMT
No. I started reading his book and he's talking about lobsters and how they have a hierarchy and alpha lobsters which just reminds me of everything I hate about this world so I stopped reading his 12 rules for living, what a pretentious title Oh bullpatties. He explains everything based on merit and achievements, not "entitlement" which is the way we're headed right now in society. There's an entitlement rich society developing that wants everything for free, and Jordan talks about hierarchy for security and skill so we earn our places in life.  What's so pretentious about that? Instead we are giving out degrees in gender studies and filling race-based or gender-based quota-filled jobs that have nothing to do with if they're qualified to do their job adeptly. You sincerely see nothing wrong with this picture? ![](https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.jXpCecYc7LT6vBTdG6OIwgHaG2?w=191&h=180&c=7&o=5&dpr=2&pid=1.7.jpg) didd you even read that part? He talks about how the lobsters fight each other, then the winner gets a brighter red color on his shell and gets to bang all the female lobsters or something. Its like Texas. I would die in a society like that.
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Post by dirtypillows on Sept 17, 2020 1:40:03 GMT
“Dr Peterson, what’s your favorite color?” “Well that depends on what you mean by favorite. And it also depends on what you mean by color. This is a very difficult question. One must acknowledge the underlying verisimilitude that is irrevocably nested within a multi-layered metaphysical substrate that many people fundamentally conflate with their ideological presuppositions with no uncertain irregularity, and not dissimilar to Jung’s extrapolation of the archetypal and axiomatic juxtaposition of Raskolnikov’s Neo-Marxist existential nihilism… With that said... I've written an 800 page book on the subject which unpacks the uninformative imitations with unmitigated precision, both biologically and metaphysically". That's pretty funny, but it's also wildly inaccurate.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 17, 2020 2:18:22 GMT
“Dr Peterson, what’s your favorite color?” “Well that depends on what you mean by favorite. And it also depends on what you mean by color. This is a very difficult question. One must acknowledge the underlying verisimilitude that is irrevocably nested within a multi-layered metaphysical substrate that many people fundamentally conflate with their ideological presuppositions with no uncertain irregularity, and not dissimilar to Jung’s extrapolation of the archetypal and axiomatic juxtaposition of Raskolnikov’s Neo-Marxist existential nihilism… With that said... I've written an 800 page book on the subject which unpacks the uninformative imitations with unmitigated precision, both biologically and metaphysically". That's pretty funny, but it's also wildly inaccurate. Yeah, we know what his favorite color is. RED LIPSTICK SIMULATES AROUSAL LOBSTERS RED OH GOD REDDD YEEEEES OHHHHHH *splat*
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