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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2020 15:12:43 GMT
Have you considered using all caps? Did I mention Christianity is a "large tent"? It has been a long time. Have I mentioned to you that I have a degree in the study of religion? I know what all definitions are. And when I’m calling out Trump and “Christian Right” as being the ultimate in Christian hypocrisy and they have little in common with Jesus Christ, I’m talking personally. I am actually unable to express my full contempt for them here because I would be probably banned. I have more respect Jesus than they do. Good luck with that. Your efforts might backfire and get him elected again though. Have you a degree in political "science"? Any science? Another characteristic of Trump's base, and I think you might agree here, is that they are very staunchly against "communism." The only "communes" these days that have anything to do with Jesus are Catholic religious orders. Maybe I should put that in the form of a question what with your degree and all. Are there any children in such religious orders? If Trump is such a sloppy capitalist that he turns people to communism, maybe you shouldn't be such a sloppy socialist or communist that it turns people to capitalism or Trump.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 20, 2020 16:26:34 GMT
Anybody who believes that very worldly man is a Bible thumper is gullible as hell. Like most wealthy educated men he's likely an atheist or at least an agnostic.
He only panders to the religious right because that's what a Republican has to do to get elected.
"Like most wealthy educated men he's likely an atheist or at least an agnostic." I don't deny there's a correlation between wealth/education and religiousity (the data is certainly there), but applying that logic to the all the Republicans in Washington (they tend to come from affluent backgrounds) would mean most of them are just pretending to be Christian and I dunno if I would go that far. While they might be oppurtinists, I'm hardpressed to believe devout Evangelicals like Ted Cruz, Hucbackbee, and Pence don't legitimately believe in their religion. But deep down I don't think Trump actually believes this stuff (again he couldn't cite a single Bible verse).
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2020 16:38:22 GMT
Good luck with that. Your efforts might backfire and get him elected again though. Have you a degree in political "science"? Any science? Another characteristic of Trump's base, and I think you might agree here, is that they are very staunchly against "communism." The only "communes" these days that have anything to do with Jesus are Catholic religious orders. Maybe I should put that in the form of a question what with your degree and all. Are there any children in such religious orders? If Trump is such a sloppy capitalist that he turns people to communism, maybe you shouldn't be such a sloppy socialist or communist that it turns people to capitalism or Trump. Your efforts might backfire and get him elected again though.
You mean I have that much influence? Well, golly. They are against communism but seem to love any murderous totalitarian, authoritarian dictators, so long as Trump approves. They just went apeshit when Putin, another fake Christian, stuck a cross between his manly pecs. And Jesus himself was a small “c” commie. That must be why they like his “get out Hell free card,” but hate everything else he said. It might be a dessert or it might be shit. As they say the proof is in the pudding and Trump Christians ain’t pudding. It appears that you have very strong feelings that I still do not understand. I'm sorry. I wouldn't worry about that if I were you though. My guess is that Trump is doing everything he can to lose the election. I think he did everything he could to lose in 2016, "I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue ... " Of course he did win anyway in 2016 and might win again this round. That's just what a bunch of foul ups the Democratic Party has become. I am sincere here that I hope you do not foul it up.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 21, 2020 0:45:07 GMT
That’s called being self-reflexive and if I were doing a liberal academic study, then yes, I take what a person says about their religious faith as being as is. I would not question it. He is a quite representative of the Christian Right as he does embody much of their outlook on life and relationship to power and wealth, how they see God, their patriotism, levels of compassion and empathy, and moral behavior, racism, etc. He is right there with them. But speaking as someone who does know what Jesus taught, he’s far from being a follower of Christ. To me personally, if they ain’t living it, they ain’t it. When no one is paying attention to real Scottish logic and science there is nothing sensible people can do but wait for it to crash. Corrected.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 21, 2020 2:13:43 GMT
When no one is paying attention to real Scottish logic and science there is nothing sensible people can do but wait for it to crash. Corrected.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 22, 2020 1:12:12 GMT
Why not? I mean I accept he is an abominable human being and huge amounts of what he does and says are what I would consider not Christian behaviour, but conversly most of the Christians on this board have a hard time accepting that I am a Christian, but when they mention it to me often someone will point out the no - true scotsman argument. I mean I dont want trump to be a Christian, much as there are people on the board that I would prefer were nto classified as Christian, but what is the definition that causes you to say definitively 'no'? Anybody who does this is not a Christian. He cleared the park of protesters using tear gas and fucking helicopter. He wanted to use burn inducing microwaves on the people he swore an oath to God to protect and so he could wave a Bible around. He is not a follower of Jesus Christ. Let me add: He’s actually an Anti-Christian. Yeah I agree I mean I find it hard to reconcile him claiming to be Christian with his actions, but I also find the same thing about many Christians (like the nazis), I guess the issue is that there is no accepted definition of Christian that I am aware of so it's hard to dismiss someone if they claim to be. He does frequently seem anti-religious, but does he not also buy into that whole capital of Isrealm thing for the rapture doesn't he?
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Post by Moviefan on Sept 22, 2020 1:20:17 GMT
No, I don't think he is.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 22, 2020 1:57:19 GMT
Yeah I agree I mean I find it hard to reconcile him claiming to be Christian with his actions, but I also find the same thing about many Christians (like the nazis), I guess the issue is that there is no accepted definition of Christian that I am aware of so it's hard to dismiss someone if they claim to be. He does frequently seem anti-religious, but does he not also buy into that whole capital of Isrealm thing for the rapture doesn't he? He’s a conman...like all snake oil salesmen. Did anyone notice he's holding the Bible upside down?
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Post by gadreel on Sept 22, 2020 2:55:58 GMT
Yeah I agree I mean I find it hard to reconcile him claiming to be Christian with his actions, but I also find the same thing about many Christians (like the nazis), I guess the issue is that there is no accepted definition of Christian that I am aware of so it's hard to dismiss someone if they claim to be. He does frequently seem anti-religious, but does he not also buy into that whole capital of Isrealm thing for the rapture doesn't he? He’s a conman...like all snake oil salesmen. THAT we can agree on 100%. also a douche.
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Post by rizdek on Sept 22, 2020 10:36:22 GMT
No reason to think he's not. All it takes to be a Christian is to profess a belief in Jesus is the son of God and accept that his death on the cross paid the price for all sin...past/present/future.
'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.'
'that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.…'
What's not to like. It's guys like Trump who have the most to gain from being a Christian. He can shaft people, lie, play around, cheat and steal all his life... and then in his old age...suddenly have a 'change of heart' and be 'in like Flint.'
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Post by Archelaus on Sept 22, 2020 22:41:33 GMT
It's not my place to judge, but the Bible does say you will know them by their fruit. I don't know what Trump does behind close doors, but I haven't seen much spiritual fruit.
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