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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 20, 2020 19:28:14 GMT
Yeah Puerto Rico also probably doesn't have the best infrastructure and access to back up power and solar energy. Also I'm gonna take a guess that theft/roberries went up considerably with a largely cash economy and a police force that has been hampered by power outages.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 20, 2020 19:42:49 GMT
"I'm merely saying it is and will spell a death knell to personal freedom." So you're conceding this would merely be the final nail in the coffin? OK, I don't really disagree with you on that. As for "personal freed", this is a very tricky one. We give up "freedoms" all the time in exchange for security and new freedoms. For instance I don't think people should have the "freedom" to drive 150 miles on the freeway while drunk. I don't think hardware stores should have the "freedom" to sell led paint. I don't think business owners should have the "freedom" to refuse service to blacks/minoroties, they would essentially be imposing on their freedom. With something like a cashless society, yes you would arguably be getting rid of certain freedoms, but in exchange have new securities (you don't have to worry about getting robbed, losing your cash, illegal transactions would go down, there would be less disease). Sure, and you listed reasonable trade-offs. We give up freedom merely by living in society and abiding by it's social rules.
But what happens if monetary control in a cashless society moves in a more sinister direction? What about funding a political organization which the government doesn't like? Say controversial groups like the National Abortion Rights Action League, the Libertarian Party, Antifa, the John Birch Society, the Black Panther Party, blah blah blah are declared illegal and not allowed to raise funds? This could have very negative implications.
"Say controversial groups like the National Abortion Rights Action League, the Libertarian Party, Antifa, the John Birch Society, the Black Panther Party, blah blah blah are declared illegal and not allowed to raise funds" I don't see how switching to a cashless society would be any worse. The government can basically already do this, and does. Members of communist organizations have been blacklisted in the past and thus make it very difficult to raise funds. Several states have essentially made laws against BDS, making it difficult to raise money and be effective. The US government constantly meddles with left wing/socialist organizations in Latin America, typically by funding and arming right wing counter organizations.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 20, 2020 20:05:32 GMT
I don`t think a total cashless society is a good thing. It should always be possible to pay with cash and you should always have some emergency cash at hand.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 20, 2020 20:11:52 GMT
I don`t think a total cashless society is a good thing. It should always be possible to pay with cash and you should always have some emergency cash at hand. Aren't you from Sweden? Aren't you guys already largely cashless? I've heard a lot of business there don't even accept cash.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 20, 2020 20:14:12 GMT
I don`t think a total cashless society is a good thing. It should always be possible to pay with cash and you should always have some emergency cash at hand. Aren't you from Sweden? No i am not from Sweden.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 20, 2020 20:27:15 GMT
I don`t think a total cashless society is a good thing. It should always be possible to pay with cash and you should always have some emergency cash at hand. Agreed.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 20, 2020 20:28:22 GMT
I don`t think a total cashless society is a good thing. It should always be possible to pay with cash and you should always have some emergency cash at hand. Aren't you from Sweden? Aren't you guys already largely cashless? I've heard a lot of business there don't even accept cash. I think Karl Aksel is the one from Sweden.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2020 20:33:22 GMT
Are you particular whether "cash" is paper or metal? That was a really big deal at one time.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 20, 2020 20:42:58 GMT
Are you particular whether "cash" is paper or metal? That was a really big deal at one time. No, not at all. At least paper and metal are tangible.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 20, 2020 20:57:32 GMT
Are you particular whether "cash" is paper or metal? That was a really big deal at one time. No, not at all. At least paper and metal are tangible. I think he's asking whether you would prefer money be paper or coins. Paper money by itself is essentially worthless (you need the government to do FIAT or gold standard). Coins at least are made of reusable and tradeable metals. In fact that used to be how coins were used (they were worth whatever the current value of gold or silver was)
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 20, 2020 21:00:32 GMT
No, not at all. At least paper and metal are tangible. I think he's asking whether you would prefer money be paper or coins. Paper money by itself is essentially worthless (you need a FIAT or gold standard to give it worth). Coins at least are made of reusable and tradeable metals. In fact that used to be how coins were used (they were worth whatever the current value of gold or silver was) I don't really have a preference, but if it's more than a few dollars paper is easier to carry.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Sept 20, 2020 21:37:43 GMT
Yeah, dude, we get it. The all understanding, all-knowing, merciful beyond belief God is going to send everyone that has that mark to hell, even thought it's supposed to be virtually impossible to live without it.
Makes sense.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 20, 2020 22:00:02 GMT
Yeah, dude, we get it. The all understanding, all-knowing, merciful beyond belief God is going to send everyone that has that mark to hell, even thought it's supposed to be virtually impossible to live without it. Makes sense. Yes, it does.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Sept 20, 2020 22:17:23 GMT
Yeah, dude, we get it. The all understanding, all-knowing, merciful beyond belief God is going to send everyone that has that mark to hell, even thought it's supposed to be virtually impossible to live without it. Makes sense. Yes, it does. I was being sarcastic. It doesn't.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 20, 2020 22:25:25 GMT
I was being sarcastic. It doesn't. I know. It makes sense to me. You must have some interest in this topic or you wouldn't be posting about it.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Sept 20, 2020 22:30:53 GMT
I was being sarcastic. It doesn't. I know. It makes sense to me. You must have some interest in this topic or you wouldn't be posting about it. Of course I have interest in it. It scares the shit out of me if this ends up actually being true.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 20, 2020 22:34:32 GMT
I know. It makes sense to me. You must have some interest in this topic or you wouldn't be posting about it. Of course I have interest in it. It scares the shit out of me if this ends up actually being true. Okay. I appreciate your honesty in the matter. Now let's have a test to see who's good and who's bad. I want all the good people on this side of the room, and I want all the sorry rat-bastards on the other side of the room. Now, is that a real test? Or all the people in the room going to be on the good side?
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Sept 20, 2020 22:41:30 GMT
No, but this isn't the same thing. Forcing someone into a corner, leaving them no alternative and then punishing them for making the only choice they have left isn't a test either. It's entrapment and manipulation.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 20, 2020 22:49:14 GMT
No, but this isn't the same thing. Forcing someone into a corner, leaving them no alternative and then punishing them for making the only choice they have left isn't a test either. It's entrapment and manipulation. By the only choice they have left, you mean the only choice they have left in order to go on breathing. I blame the Beast system for that. If God wanted to do it He could have done it a long time ago. Of course, some will say it's still God who is responsible for allowing it to happen, but I've know all along that my stay here was never meant to be permanent, and I'd rather die for something than die for nothing.
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Post by progressiveelement on Sept 20, 2020 23:43:58 GMT
Buses where I live require card payments. So cashless public transport. Which can be a pain when the damn thing doesn't work!
Cash still used though. There's one at a Texaco that actually throws up a notice when withdrawing, stating the notes have been handled and stocked with adherence to virus checks.
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