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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 23:33:59 GMT
A “Mary Sue” character is defined as someone in a film or book who has no problems, is perfect from the beginning (like a chosen one) but never has downfalls or hits rock bottom. Just always wins.
What movies have a “Mary Sue” as the main protagonist?
I’d say Mulan in “Mulan” (2020)
I prefer the original Disney animation. She was just a regular girl. She had to train hard and use her assets to overcome what she lacked in male strength, she used her intellect and tools. As well as working hard. She faced many challenges and overcame them to succeed. Girls everywhere (especially Chinese girls) would watch it and be like “Oh, if I work hard, I could do anything a man can do.”
But watching the 2020 version, they think “If I am not the chosen one, with special abilities, then I’m not good enough. I don’t have enough Chi.”
Thoughts? Other Mary Sue characters in film? I find them boring and I prefer a hero arc, an ordinary male/female who overcomes something and evolves into “the one” ... you know... “Character Development “.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 20, 2020 23:38:11 GMT
I cant see a Mary Sue as being too common because you need conflict to keep things going.
Maybe Frank Drebbin in the Police Squad tv series is a Mary Sue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 0:41:14 GMT
I’d also say Rey from the Star Wars Sequels is a Mary Sue.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 21, 2020 0:58:00 GMT
I’d also say Rey from the Star Wars Sequels is a Mary Sue. I thought that was where the term originated. I wonder if there is an opposite of Mary Sue like a "Gladys Elma" or something.
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Post by senan90 on Sept 21, 2020 2:58:15 GMT
I’d also say Rey from the Star Wars Sequels is a Mary Sue. Except she isn't. In TFA, she isn't interested in the force or the burden of heroship. She gets captured by Kylo Ten, frozen stiff actually. She is held back by her grief over the loss of her parents, she gets suckered in the worship of Luke Skywalker only to realise she was wrong about him and mistrusts his intentions. She is Rey of Nowhere, looking to find her place in the galaxy. But anyways, Luke is no different in Star Wars because these are children's movies. It's to teach children about abilities and aptitudes to guide them through life.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 21, 2020 4:37:57 GMT
Mulan's deception creates problems for her troop and creates worry and turmoil for her family.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 21, 2020 4:39:47 GMT
Mary Sue's as a perfect character don't really exist. Every movie has conflict and usually a weakness or detriment in the main character.
More often than not, it's just a term used for when dudes don't like a female lead in a movie.
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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 21, 2020 4:44:28 GMT
More often than not, it's just a term used for when dudes don't like a female lead in a movie. And you've won this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 10:41:56 GMT
More often than not, it's just a term used for when dudes don't like a female lead in a movie. And you've won this thread. There are men characters like this too. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 21, 2020 11:35:45 GMT
And you've won this thread. There are men characters like this too. They should call them Billy Bobs. Audiences like their men perfect or anti-hero. Women are supporting and hopefully willing to do a nude scene. |
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Post by sostie on Sept 21, 2020 11:58:54 GMT
It's a ridiculous tag that applies to very few characters in it's "true" sense, and applies to more male characters than female when used loosley.
It's a tag embraced by disgruntled fanboys that really means very little.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 12:07:49 GMT
It's a ridiculous tag that applies to very few characters in it's "true" sense, and applies to more male characters than female when used loosley. It's a tag embraced by disgruntled fanboys that really means very little. Exactly, I wanted to point out all characters that this applies to. Even male characters. |
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Post by shannondegroot on Sept 21, 2020 12:45:54 GMT
Casey Newton in Tomorrowland (2015)
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 21, 2020 12:54:57 GMT
There are men characters like this too. They should call them Billy Bobs. Audiences like their men perfect or anti-hero. Women are supporting and hopefully willing to do a nude scene. They are called Marty Stus. Wesley Crusher from Star Trek: The Next Generation is often considered one.
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Post by vegalyra on Sept 21, 2020 20:53:26 GMT
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 22, 2020 3:56:15 GMT
Who knew James Belushi was such a chameleon. Can hardly recognize him. |
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Post by JHA Durant on Sept 22, 2020 11:23:06 GMT
The title character from Dudley Do-Right (1999) is the first one that springs to my mind.
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Post by dirtypillows on Sept 23, 2020 6:14:06 GMT
Mary Sue's as a perfect character don't really exist. Every movie has conflict and usually a weakness or detriment in the main character. More often than not, it's just a term used for when dudes don't like a female lead in a movie. You may have something there. I was going to cite the Laura Ingalls character from the tv show "Little House on the Prairie" ("half-pint", uggghhh! Half-pint of what?) And I can't stomach her character. Gets on my last damn nerve. |
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Post by maxwellperfect on Sept 24, 2020 1:43:20 GMT
Probably most sympathetic protagonists have some Mary Sue qualities; they have to be resourceful and smart, etc. So if Mary Sue-ness is a scale, I'd say the lead character in 'Contact'' rates pretty high, especially in the novel by Carl Sagan where she practically comes across as a Christ figure surrounded by mere, fallible mortals. And if male characters can be Mary Sues, then Chili Palmer in the 'Get Shorty' and especially the sequel 'Be Cool' would qualify, as it seems he just wanders from scene to scene mugging for the camera while his enemies shoot themselves in the foot and everything goes his way.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Sept 24, 2020 2:32:24 GMT
MacGyver - I've never seen it, but it looks that way.
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