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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 21, 2020 15:44:46 GMT
Ignore TRoS. Let’s just focus specifically on TLJ. Would you say that Rian Johnson really did take Star Wars in a fresh and bold new direction?
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Post by Jan El Señor on Sept 21, 2020 15:53:36 GMT
A new direction? Yes. Was it fresh and bold? No.
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Post by azzajones on Sept 22, 2020 6:20:14 GMT
Let's consider where SW was at the end of the original trilogy: A single barely trained Jedi had to pass on what he'd learned and teach a new generation of Jedi.
To compare where SW was at the end of TLJ: A single barely trained Jedi had to pass on what she'd learned and teach a new generation of Jedi.
Certainly sounds like a new direction for me
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Post by onethreetwo on Sept 22, 2020 6:27:24 GMT
I think he wanted to subvert expectations to a whole new level. The problem is that he wasn't nearly as clever as he thought. Everyone hated his stupid decisions and he didn't see it coming.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Sept 22, 2020 8:22:31 GMT
The iron "landing" scene was self-parody. I don't think that had been done previously in the franchise? So yes, that was a new direction for Star Wars.
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Post by hobowar on Sept 23, 2020 16:19:50 GMT
It was the first and so far, the only Star Wars film to not suck balls.
So yes in my opinion.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 23, 2020 19:20:02 GMT
It was the first and so far, the only Star Wars film to not suck balls. So yes in my opinion. You’ve expressed this opinion before, but I don’t think I’ve seen you elaborate on it. I’d be interested in hearing why you think that’s the case.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Sept 23, 2020 22:00:36 GMT
It was the first and so far, the only Star Wars film to not suck balls. So yes in my opinion. If you've watched all the rest, up until this point, that's a lot of ball sucking you've been getting up to... |
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Post by hobowar on Sept 23, 2020 22:47:45 GMT
It was the first and so far, the only Star Wars film to not suck balls. So yes in my opinion. If you've watched all the rest, up until this point, that's a lot of ball sucking you've been getting up to... Thank you. 👍 
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Post by moviemeisters on Sept 24, 2020 5:39:43 GMT
It COULD have taken it in a new direction with the “letting the past die” concept or with the main villain possibly teaming up with main hero, but it squandered any of its new concepts by settling back into the old formula.
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Post by darkpast on Sept 25, 2020 4:22:03 GMT
not for a middle film in a trilogy, humor was BAD, destroys canon , why didn't people kamikaze the death star at light speed
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Post by hobowar on Sept 25, 2020 16:28:23 GMT
not for a middle film in a trilogy, humor was BAD, destroys canon , why didn't people kamikaze the death star at light speedBecause it was a different film and a diffent story.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Sept 26, 2020 0:51:10 GMT
not for a middle film in a trilogy, humor was BAD, destroys canon , why didn't people kamikaze the death star at light speed Because Rian Johnson was in over his head in writing (not directing) a SW movie. That’s why so many story elements played out like bottom tier fanfic writing. |
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 26, 2020 2:48:54 GMT
Because Rian Johnson was in over his head in writing (not directing) a SW movie. That’s why so many story elements played out like bottom tier fanfic writing. That gives him too much credit. Star Wars fans understand the characters, mythos, canon, etc. They also want to honor all of it. Johnson admitted he didn't care about that.
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Post by shannondegroot on Sept 26, 2020 17:13:35 GMT
No, it was just another Star Wars film, only bad.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 27, 2020 22:18:45 GMT
It was the first and so far, the only Star Wars film to not suck balls. So yes in my opinion. ...Really?
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Post by dazz on Sept 28, 2020 11:48:38 GMT
not for a middle film in a trilogy, humor was BAD, destroys canon , why didn't people kamikaze the death star at light speedBecause it was a different film and a diffent story. No because it would be a stupid and contrived deus ex machina, why need to send your entire fleet of the best pilots you can get your hands on to hope 1 gets off that perfect shot on the one weakness of the death star if you can send C3PO out in disposable clunker to ram the damn thing into oblivion. Also why has NO other SW story ever done this before and why did they explain away doing it again in the very next movie? because it was stupidly written and broke the parameters set for the universe the story takes place in, shitty storytelling is what that is, because he had to subvert expectations so much he wrote himself into a corner like an idiot.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 30, 2020 23:05:10 GMT
Because Rian Johnson was in over his head in writing (not directing) a SW movie. That’s why so many story elements played out like bottom tier fanfic writing. That gives him too much credit. Star Wars fans understand the characters, mythos, canon, etc. They also want to honor all of it. Johnson admitted he didn't care about that. I really don't think fans truly understand the characters, mythos, canon or the lore. There's a lot of nostalgic hero worshiping when it comes to them. Especially with Luke. People wanted Luke to be treated like he was more than he was. It's funny how people cry about how Luke acted when Rey got there not thinking that that's exactly what he'd do. Remember he was trained by Yoda and he did that to Luke when he found him on Dagobah. I bet he even taught at the academy the same way Yoda trained him.
Also, like other fantasy stories and old serials, the mythos and canon is constantly changing. That's why we keep getting new Jedi abilities in each movie (even abilities in the prequels that's not in the OT). Hell, Force choking is a Sith thing, but we see Luke do it in RotJ. We don't see telekinesis until ESB.
[More about the entire ST than just TLJ] And honoring all of it. Not really a good thing. That goes back to the nostalgic worshiping. The Abrams movies is what you'd get from fans trying to honor the movies (even though they hate to admit it). The best thing they could have done would be to soft reboot it by doing a Knights of the New Republic. Go opposite of KOTOR and go hundreds of years into the future.
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Post by Power Ranger on Oct 4, 2020 4:00:52 GMT
A new direction doesn’t equal a good direction. It could be a terrible direction.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 4, 2020 15:39:18 GMT
A new direction doesn’t equal a good direction. It could be a terrible direction. Who determines that?
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