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Post by Aj_June on Sept 25, 2020 18:51:49 GMT
and you have to live for 20 years (without carrying any modern technology with you) in any past culture/civilisation/kingdom of your choice. Which time period you would chose and which country? You can not choose any date later than 1600.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 25, 2020 19:08:19 GMT
1945-65. Anywhere in North America.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 25, 2020 19:09:30 GMT
1945-65. Anywhere in North America. I guess 45-65 was a fast growing economy and cheerful time in general.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 25, 2020 19:13:57 GMT
1945-65. Anywhere in North America. I guess 45-65 was a fast growing economy and cheerful time in general. Yes, relatively speaking, but somebody must have fumbled the ball later on.
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Post by drystyx on Sept 25, 2020 20:07:33 GMT
I would ordinarily pick like Eric, and have bets on lots of derby winners, and lots of other advantages to speak of, but you did limit us to before 1600, I believe. For some people, that might not be an ideal time, but I was a boomer, and had vaccinations for some of those deadly diseases.
I would ask to have four "time capsules" along with pen and paper, if that would be allowed, and project places to put them where some might be safe for thousands of years.
My first thought, which I would abandon for the more dangerous and adventurous second thought, is that I would probably go way back, because if I can't understand what anyone is saying, I am better where no one else understands anyone else, either, and I'm bigger and more athletic than just about anyone, so it wouldn't be Africa. I certainly wouldn't pick somewhere too cold or too hot. Especially not too cold, which would be deadlier, and I might be in an ice age.
Going way back would give me an advantage in knowledge, too.
I'd be torn between my ideal choice of going into a near prehistoric time, possibly in North America, where there would be fewer deadly animals, near the main part of the Ohio River, which I'm very familiar with now, along the Kentucky Indiana border, maybe 3000 BC, in early Spring, preferably the Indiana side, atop the mountain that is now the top of New Albany, overlooking miles of land and river. I would stay hidden, and keep an overlook post, to see how many humans stray along. It would be sparsely populated, if at all. I'd be able to set up my own camp, free of terrible danger. No sharks in the water, and I wouldn't be absolutely positive that the saber tooth was extinct, yet, but that's really all I'd have to be on the alert for. I don't believe rabies was around in the Americas.
Might see wildlife I didn't expect. Might see buffalo, maybe even mammoths. Mammoths and saber tooth tigers are supposed to be extinct, but I would possibly learn otherwise. Who knows? If I saw them, they're there. If not, it's undecided.
I wouldn't expect to see more than a couple of traveling humans. They'd think I was something magical, and I'd try to set up a camp that would appear to display traits that would help them accept me. I'd hope that it wouldn't take too long to build fire, and to possibly get some mining and quarry work that would help me make some metallic tools. I would keep in hiding till I did so. I'd have some useful gifts, and hopefully there would be an unclaimed woman. I'd be on the alert for hostility, though.
Obviously, it would be a dream world for a man, with the native American women probably the most beautiful to look upon in the world, as they are today. Lots to like. I would probably place three capsules in river beds, most likely the Patoka, White, and Ohio Rivers. The fourth would be somewhere around the caves and quarries of Southern Indiana, most likely Marengo . We'd select four places most likely to be safe for the four time capsules.
However, considering this as close to the ideal situation, I'd have to risk the obvious and go to Bethlehem maybe 21 AD, in late Spring, to see if the lord in early stages of his adult life, was capable of understanding me. If I could ask immediately before, the way to ask "where is carpenter (Y)Joseph" in Hebrew, so I could remember how to pronounce it, that would help, but hopefully the lord would let me find him, and bestow understanding of the language on me, since he would be there. Once I found him. That would be the trick, and the most dangerous leg of the adventure, among people who thought I was a babbling madman.
Lots of miles without transportation, and not knowing where around Bethlehem, Nazareth, maybe even Egypt, where he would be, I would expect him to know I was looking for him, if he was all I expected him to be.
Once I found him, I should surely be able to count on him to interpret for me, and help me, even make me better in all ways, and if he wouldn't solve all my problems, I would be very disappointed.
There's the possibility that Jesus would be less than I thought of him, or that he would rebuke me for daring to "cheat" and look for him in person. But, I would have the time capsule to store the information in. I would hurry, if Jesus wasn't helping, because life was very temporary, and I would be a "madman" to the people, unable to understand the language. If Jesus betrayed me, I'd say so.
I would have to know the mystery. I would actually expect that forces would be against me even recording the visitation, because it's obvious that forces meant for Jesus to visit us in a time when he would not be photographed or video taped. Those same forces would be active upon my visit, but I would have to know all I could. Odds are that I'd be killed or die of some disease or accident before I could find Jesus, but I'd have to try.
On third thought, I think I'll just go back to the Ohio River in 3000 BC. Jesus shouldn't have worked so hard to make me think he didn't want me to find him, and would hurt me if I did find him. That's how his insistence upon being antagonistic makes me feel. I'm afraid to look for him, because he appears to only want hateful people to find him. He's put absolutely no doubt in my mind that he would punish me for wanting to find him.
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Post by MCDemuth on Sept 25, 2020 20:51:01 GMT
1945-65. Anywhere in North America. I would have picked the exact same thing... However:
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 25, 2020 20:58:06 GMT
1945-65. Anywhere in North America. I would have picked the exact same thing... However: Oh, I misread it. I thought it must be later than 1600. Why didn't he tell me that?
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 25, 2020 21:04:24 GMT
I would have picked the exact same thing... However: Oh, I misread it. I thought it must be later than 1600. Why didn't he tell me that? It's okay. I appreciate all civil replies in a thread I start. Okay, so would you love to visit any of the old kingdoms/civilisations? I like how Baghdad is depicted in Arabian Nights. Yes, I know those are stories but I am strangely fascinated with Baghdad/Mesopotamia. I am also fascinated with Egypt but I have a feeling that life for commoners was very difficult. Of course, I also believe history is written propagandists and so it could be that Egypt was not so bad and some countries that are depicted as good were relatively bad.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 25, 2020 21:09:26 GMT
Oh, I misread it. I thought it must be later than 1600. Why didn't he tell me that? It's okay. I appreciate all civil replies in a thread I start. Okay, so would you love to visit any of the old kingdoms/civilisations? I like how Baghdad is depicted in Arabian Nights. Yes, I know those are stories but I am strangely fascinated with Baghdad/Mesopotamia. I am also fascinated with Egypt but I have a feeling that life for commoners was very difficult. Of course, I also believe history is written propagandists and so it could be that Egypt was not so bad and some countries that are depicted as good were relatively bad. Yeah, those have always fascinated me. Unfortunately, the further back in time you go the harder it is to select a 20-year span. I guess my revised choice would be Prague, Czechoslovakia, 1580-1600.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 25, 2020 21:59:31 GMT
There's no period of history that I would choose in preference to today. Imho (with some obvious qualifications) generally speaking now is the best time to be alive as more people than ever enjoy a golden age of information, art, literacy, health, technology, personal wealth and opportunity. Sure, there's things I'd love to go back and witness, help, or prevent, but nothing beats today - certainly not past times which were consistently brutish, dirty and short.
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Post by Archelaus on Sept 25, 2020 22:05:33 GMT
Greece, 359–339 BC. This was a time when Macedonia was the world's superpower. While I could do without the rampant paganism at the time, it was a time when literature, the arts, and philosophy was beginning to thrive.
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Post by goz on Sept 25, 2020 22:11:33 GMT
It's okay. I appreciate all civil replies in a thread I start. Okay, so would you love to visit any of the old kingdoms/civilisations? I like how Baghdad is depicted in Arabian Nights. Yes, I know those are stories but I am strangely fascinated with Baghdad/Mesopotamia. I am also fascinated with Egypt but I have a feeling that life for commoners was very difficult. Of course, I also believe history is written propagandists and so it could be that Egypt was not so bad and some countries that are depicted as good were relatively bad. Yeah, those have always fascinated me. Unfortunately, the further back in time you go the harder it is to select a 20-year span. I guess my revised choice would be Prague, Czechoslovakia, 1580-1600. For life in Prague at that time, it would be very dependent on whether you were Jewish, Protestant or Catholic as to your circumstances.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 25, 2020 22:22:02 GMT
Yeah, those have always fascinated me. Unfortunately, the further back in time you go the harder it is to select a 20-year span. I guess my revised choice would be Prague, Czechoslovakia, 1580-1600. For life in Prague at that time, it would be very dependent on whether you were Jewish, Protestant or Catholic as to your circumstances. I support diversity.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 25, 2020 22:31:06 GMT
There's no period of history that I would choose in preference to today. Imho (with some obvious qualifications) generally speaking now is the best time to be alive as more people than ever enjoy a golden age of information, art, literacy, health, technology, personal wealth and opportunity. Sure, there's things I'd love to go back and witness, help, or prevent, but nothing beats today - certainly not past times which were consistently brutish, dirty and short. I am one of those very strongly agrees with the point that in terms development and prosperity this is the best time for humanity (relatively speaking). Many people think wealth distribution is uneven but it was uneven even more in past that it is today. Medical facilities ensure for longer average age now compared to any other time in the past. Crime is probably significantly lower now than before. That said I believe people tend to adopt to the time and situation. Let's define a loose concept called average satisfaction per human. I think that average satisfaction from life is not very high now as compared to times in the past. Of course, I do not have any proof of that but I believe that.
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Post by goz on Sept 25, 2020 22:31:29 GMT
For life in Prague at that time, it would be very dependent on whether you were Jewish, Protestant or Catholic as to your circumstances. I support diversity. They didn't. There was a civil war at that time between Protestants and Catholics whilst there was also 30% of the population being Jewish before they got chucked out later in the 18th century. Prague is a beautiful city however. I have been there several times as one of my daughters lived there for a year.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 25, 2020 22:54:21 GMT
I support diversity. They didn't. There was a civil war at that time between Protestants and Catholics whilst there was also 30% of the population being Jewish before they got chucked out later in the 18th century. Prague is a beautiful city however. I have been there several times as one of my daughters lived there for a year. Well, that's where I come in, goz. I could be a peacemaker. Give me a few days and I'll have everyone singing Kumbaya.
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Post by Isapop on Sept 25, 2020 23:24:54 GMT
and you have to live for 20 years (without carrying any modern technology with you) in any past culture/civilisation/kingdom of your choice. Which time period you would chose and which country? You can not choose any date later than 1600. I think the answer must depend on which class in society I'm going to occupy. For instance, living in ancient Rome is very different for royalty, patricians, plebeians, and slaves.
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Post by permutojoe on Sept 25, 2020 23:28:14 GMT
Something pre-history, where they lived on more of a spiritual plane. I'm quite certain I would be the top hunter.
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Sept 26, 2020 0:12:39 GMT
Well, I'd probably be killed instantly by some warriors, but I'd like to go back to Bronze Age Greece. I wanna see how the siege of Troy really played out.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 26, 2020 0:18:15 GMT
and you have to live for 20 years (without carrying any modern technology with you) in any past culture/civilisation/kingdom of your choice. Which time period you would chose and which country? You can not choose any date later than 1600. History is often driven by malcontents, and there might have been very happy and well adjusted innocent people at most times throughout it. If the "resurrection" was not just Jesus disappearing during a cloud of dust, then I would have liked to witness that.
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