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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 29, 2020 22:44:16 GMT
Please give me some of the reasons you don't like Dark Knight Rises.
Personally I love the movie. I think it suffers from being just a notch below Dark Knight (and third in a franchise) and because of that people hate on it. Whereas Dark Knight was an improvement over Batman Begins, Rises was a notch below, so "it sucks".
But no one's really been able to give me a reasoned explanation why they don't like it.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 29, 2020 22:56:17 GMT
I always thought BB was the weakest of the trilogy, so I never fully understood the flack TDKR got from certain circles. Even in terms of the stuff people make fun of, like Talia’s death, I always thought that BB had the same problem when it came to Thomas Wayne’s death. I used to think the detractors were just people who were mad that the movie didn’t follow up on TDK the way they hoped it would, and who were salty about Batman retiring, but that was probably me being overly dismissive.
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Post by hobowar on Sept 29, 2020 23:58:42 GMT
I hated Nolans trilogy because Batman didn't dance at any point.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 30, 2020 0:29:34 GMT
I liked it a lot when it came out and still do. But upon repeat viewings, I will admit that in the second half when Bruce is in the prison pit and up to his return to Gotham, things slow down. They sort of throw in this mystery box about Ras' child but if people were paying attention to leaks during production, or seen any other movie before, they know that Marion Cotillard is Talia Al Ghul.
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Post by hobowar on Sept 30, 2020 1:26:29 GMT
It reminds of Endgame in that it has some the best moments in the franchise, but as a movie, I just can't bring myself say I liked it.
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Post by raiderjedi on Sept 30, 2020 4:43:44 GMT
It's actually my favorite of the three. TDK was great, but some plot holes still bother me. 2 involve school busses. How was he able to just back the bus out of the bank right in front of another bus and other cars, but no one noticed? Then when he leaves the hospital, there's just a bus just idling waiting for him, while he fiddles with his remote and after it explodes they just let him get on the bus and again no one says anything? Then he is able to plan exactly when he is captured and subsequently interrogated to the exact minute the other guy is brought in and starts complaining about stomach pain? Like he knew he was going to be interrogated, and then left alone with a hothead cop at that precise moment?
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 30, 2020 10:22:20 GMT
I felt that a lot of the criticism directed at TRKR could've been directed at the previous two films.
Still, I think it's my least favorite of the trilogy but I still like it.
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Post by sostie on Sept 30, 2020 13:22:25 GMT
Never understood the hate some people had for this film. For me it's the one of the trilogy I'm more likely to re-watch if I catch it while channel hopping
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 30, 2020 18:04:17 GMT
Hate is a strong word. But yes, I'm one of the few people who dislike this film. I dislike it even more that so many people hold it in such high esteem and I get attacked every time I try to criticize it.
But sure, I'll try to give my criticisms:
1. The action completely sucks. This is not the biggest issue with the movie but it is one of the most obvious ones. And for a multi-million dollar movie of this level, it's actually pretty pathetic how bad the action scenes are. You have people falling down for no reason, punches that obviously never connect, clunky and slow choreography, inconsistencies in physics, etc. Speaking of inconsistencies...
2. So many inconsistencies and scenes with just plain dumb logic. There are youtube videos out there that list all of them but a few that I can remember were: Motorcycle goes into tunnel at daytime, exits the tunnel a few minutes later and it's fully night time. Police armed with batons charge a heavily armed militia (they even had a tank), and very few of the policemen are gunned down. Bruce Wayne has destroyed his joints, something about no longer having cartilege or something. He fixes this by putting a robo-brace on ONE knee. Later on doesn't even need the brace as spelunks around in prison. What the F??? Robin saying he figured out who Batman was from a look in his eyes. C'mon man, you can be far more creative than that!
3. Minimal character development - Bruce Wayne, Batman, Catwoman, Alfred, Talia, "Robin"... we don't really get that much development of their characters. Bruce Wayne/Batman is pretty much just riding the character wave of the first two movies. Alfred has one good scene but isn't really used. Robin, Talia and Catwoman have now been forgotten by majority of the population who watched it because they really were not well fleshed-out characters. Bane at least is memorable... but his character arc was basically done via exposition.
4. It was just kinda boring - I mean, still better than a good chunk of other blockbusters out there but compared to BB, TDK and majority of the MCU movies? Nothing much happens in this movie. There's some dramatic scenes here and there, a few lackluster action sets interspersed but nothing much happens other than a lot of thematic music and heavily-framed shots. The one cool scene that had good build-up and tension was the first fight between Bane and Batman... and that was marred by the crappy fight choreography. The next decent scene is Bruce trying to escape his prison. Other than that, majority of the scenes are pretty meh.
To me, BB was still the best of that trilogy. The only thing that makes TDK kinda rival it (IMO) is Ledger's performance. If we take out Ledger's performance then TDK as a movie is clearly below BB. TDKR didn't have Ledger nor did it have the story, character development and uniqueness of Batman Begins.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 30, 2020 19:18:46 GMT
Hate is a strong word. But yes, I'm one of the few people who dislike this film. I dislike it even more that so many people hold it in such high esteem and I get attacked every time I try to criticize it. But sure, I'll try to give my criticisms: 1. The action completely sucks. This is not the biggest issue with the movie but it is one of the most obvious ones. And for a multi-million dollar movie of this level, it's actually pretty pathetic how bad the action scenes are. You have people falling down for no reason, punches that obviously never connect, clunky and slow choreography, inconsistencies in physics, etc. Speaking of inconsistencies... 2. So many inconsistencies and scenes with just plain dumb logic. There are youtube videos out there that list all of them but a few that I can remember were: Motorcycle goes into tunnel at daytime, exits the tunnel a few minutes later and it's fully night time. Police armed with batons charge a heavily armed militia ( they even had a tank), and very few of the policemen are gunned down. Bruce Wayne has destroyed his joints, something about no longer having cartilege or something. He fixes this by putting a robo-brace on ONE knee. Later on doesn't even need the brace as spelunks around in prison. What the F??? Robin saying he figured out who Batman was from a look in his eyes. C'mon man, you can be far more creative than that! 3. Minimal character development - Bruce Wayne, Batman, Catwoman, Alfred, Talia, "Robin"... we don't really get that much development of their characters. Bruce Wayne/Batman is pretty much just riding the character wave of the first two movies. Alfred has one good scene but isn't really used. Robin, Talia and Catwoman have now been forgotten by majority of the population who watched it because they really were not well fleshed-out characters. Bane at least is memorable... but his character arc was basically done via exposition. 4. It was just kinda boring - I mean, still better than a good chunk of other blockbusters out there but compared to BB, TDK and majority of the MCU movies? Nothing much happens in this movie. There's some dramatic scenes here and there, a few lackluster action sets interspersed but nothing much happens other than a lot of thematic music and heavily-framed shots. The one cool scene that had good build-up and tension was the first fight between Bane and Batman... and that was marred by the crappy fight choreography. The next decent scene is Bruce trying to escape his prison. Other than that, majority of the scenes are pretty meh. To me, BB was still the best of that trilogy. The only thing that makes TDK kinda rival it (IMO) is Ledger's performance. If we take out Ledger's performance then TDK as a movie is clearly below BB. TDKR didn't have Ledger nor did it have the story, character development and uniqueness of Batman Begins. Wasn’t the tank disabled?
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 30, 2020 19:29:03 GMT
Hate is a strong word. But yes, I'm one of the few people who dislike this film. I dislike it even more that so many people hold it in such high esteem and I get attacked every time I try to criticize it. But sure, I'll try to give my criticisms: 1. The action completely sucks. This is not the biggest issue with the movie but it is one of the most obvious ones. And for a multi-million dollar movie of this level, it's actually pretty pathetic how bad the action scenes are. You have people falling down for no reason, punches that obviously never connect, clunky and slow choreography, inconsistencies in physics, etc. Speaking of inconsistencies... 2. So many inconsistencies and scenes with just plain dumb logic. There are youtube videos out there that list all of them but a few that I can remember were: Motorcycle goes into tunnel at daytime, exits the tunnel a few minutes later and it's fully night time. Police armed with batons charge a heavily armed militia ( they even had a tank), and very few of the policemen are gunned down. Bruce Wayne has destroyed his joints, something about no longer having cartilege or something. He fixes this by putting a robo-brace on ONE knee. Later on doesn't even need the brace as spelunks around in prison. What the F??? Robin saying he figured out who Batman was from a look in his eyes. C'mon man, you can be far more creative than that! 3. Minimal character development - Bruce Wayne, Batman, Catwoman, Alfred, Talia, "Robin"... we don't really get that much development of their characters. Bruce Wayne/Batman is pretty much just riding the character wave of the first two movies. Alfred has one good scene but isn't really used. Robin, Talia and Catwoman have now been forgotten by majority of the population who watched it because they really were not well fleshed-out characters. Bane at least is memorable... but his character arc was basically done via exposition. 4. It was just kinda boring - I mean, still better than a good chunk of other blockbusters out there but compared to BB, TDK and majority of the MCU movies? Nothing much happens in this movie. There's some dramatic scenes here and there, a few lackluster action sets interspersed but nothing much happens other than a lot of thematic music and heavily-framed shots. The one cool scene that had good build-up and tension was the first fight between Bane and Batman... and that was marred by the crappy fight choreography. The next decent scene is Bruce trying to escape his prison. Other than that, majority of the scenes are pretty meh. To me, BB was still the best of that trilogy. The only thing that makes TDK kinda rival it (IMO) is Ledger's performance. If we take out Ledger's performance then TDK as a movie is clearly below BB. TDKR didn't have Ledger nor did it have the story, character development and uniqueness of Batman Begins. Wasn’t the tank disabled? There was a different tank that they sabotaged, I don't believe that was the same tank that was present in the stand-off between the police and Bane's militia. But even if the tank was disabled, that still won't excuse the dozens of heavily armed militia not being able to stop a charge by malnourished policemen mostly holding batons and bats.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 30, 2020 19:56:40 GMT
Wasn’t the tank disabled? There was a different tank that they sabotaged, I don't believe that was the same tank that was present in the stand-off between the police and Bane's militia. But even if the tank was disabled, that still won't excuse the dozens of heavily armed militia not being able to stop a charge by malnourished policemen mostly holding batons and bats. No, the tank present in the stand-off was seemingly disabled by Batman’s plane before the cops ran towards the militia.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 30, 2020 20:01:58 GMT
I have never understood why many people hate this movie, its really not that bad.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 30, 2020 20:05:04 GMT
There was a different tank that they sabotaged, I don't believe that was the same tank that was present in the stand-off between the police and Bane's militia. But even if the tank was disabled, that still won't excuse the dozens of heavily armed militia not being able to stop a charge by malnourished policemen mostly holding batons and bats. No, the tank present in the stand-off was seemingly disabled by Batman’s plane before the cops ran towards the militia. I don't recall this scene... but I stand corrected. Still doesn't stop it from being a stupid stand-off though, as the militia could have easily gunned down the police.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 30, 2020 20:08:22 GMT
I have never understood why many people hate this movie, its really not that bad. To be honest, I don't exactly rate it a bad movie. I do, however, think that people are exaggerating their praise for it to an absurd amount. It's an above average blockbuster that gets touted as a near masterpiece in a lot of circles.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 30, 2020 20:12:43 GMT
I have never understood why many people hate this movie, its really not that bad. To be honest, I don't exactly rate it a bad movie. I do, however, think that people are exaggerating their praise for it to an absurd amount. It's an above average blockbuster that gets touted as a near masterpiece in a lot of circles. I don’t know about that. Of the trilogy, it’s definitely the one that has the most vocal detractors.
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Post by hobowar on Sept 30, 2020 20:16:51 GMT
Bruce in his prime giving up being Batman for 8 years because his favourite piece of ass died also annoys me.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 30, 2020 20:17:19 GMT
To be honest, I don't exactly rate it a bad movie. I do, however, think that people are exaggerating their praise for it to an absurd amount. It's an above average blockbuster that gets touted as a near masterpiece in a lot of circles. I don’t know about that. Of the trilogy, it’s definitely the one that has the most vocal detractors. Among comicbook and movie geeks like us? Sure. But among the general populace, TDKR seems to get more praise than BB.
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Post by hobowar on Sept 30, 2020 20:18:29 GMT
I love this.
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Post by scabab on Oct 1, 2020 2:17:47 GMT
I love it too, I just remember Talia's death as being absolutely awful.
Actually I also wasn't a fan of how Bane was so quickly side lined after the Talia reveal either. That was my biggest issue.
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