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Post by SciFive on Oct 7, 2020 17:14:08 GMT
Some people assume ONLY children and they are wrong, So what? It doesn't change the point about God killing children one bit. Did you take this up just to avoid the point? It was a plague in a dramatic story about freeing millions of Hebrews who were enslaved, including children. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 7, 2020 17:17:59 GMT
If a policeman is standing next to you in a store and watching your hands while you wish to steal something, what do you do? You don’t commit the crime. What do you do if no one is looking and you can get away with it? Hopefully, you don’t commit the crime then, either. It’s a moral choice and you had the chance to make it. ————— From a Chabad article for the Jewish perspective: This week, I am teaching my five year old to ride a bike. Right now, she can ride with training wheels, and even then she falls once in a while. I could chase after her and ensure that she would never fall. And I could leave the training wheels on forever. But that is not the purpose. I want her to be able to ride off into the blue, without me. That is what being a father is all about. G‑d is great because He gives us a world and tells us to fix it. He could have given us a happy, care-bear world and just enjoined us to have fun. But that would not be true kindness and He would not be a father. It would not be our world; it would be nothing more than a playpen we were tossed into. We would have no meaning, and life no value... So instead, He brought us here, gave us basic directions, held on to us for a while, sending us Moses and the prophets and then the sages, and then eventually, took off the training wheels and let us go.... ——————— www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/712708/jewish/Why-Doesnt-Gd-Show-Himself-Anymore.htmThe answer according to SciFive on another thread is, apparently, that the Jewish God just doesn't need us to believe in Him. The Christian one though is a bit more insistent, and given than any omnipotent God worth its salt would know exactly what would persuade, not coerce, many more of us into entering the fold (thus fulfilling His will, which after all is to be done) then the question is a hard one to answer without special pleading.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 7, 2020 17:23:55 GMT
If a policeman is standing next to you in a store and watching your hands while you wish to steal something, what do you do? You don’t commit the crime. What do you do if no one is looking and you can get away with it? Hopefully, you don’t commit the crime then, either. It’s a moral choice and you had the chance to make it. ————— From a Chabad article for the Jewish perspective: This week, I am teaching my five year old to ride a bike. Right now, she can ride with training wheels, and even then she falls once in a while. I could chase after her and ensure that she would never fall. And I could leave the training wheels on forever. But that is not the purpose. I want her to be able to ride off into the blue, without me. That is what being a father is all about. G‑d is great because He gives us a world and tells us to fix it. He could have given us a happy, care-bear world and just enjoined us to have fun. But that would not be true kindness and He would not be a father. It would not be our world; it would be nothing more than a playpen we were tossed into. We would have no meaning, and life no value... So instead, He brought us here, gave us basic directions, held on to us for a while, sending us Moses and the prophets and then the sages, and then eventually, took off the training wheels and let us go.... ——————— www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/712708/jewish/Why-Doesnt-Gd-Show-Himself-Anymore.htm This guy keeps saying goodbye to me. LOL JEWS are not allowed to proselytize. I’ve said this several times. We are not allowed to ask anyone to believe in God. We can tell about our religion because we think it is interesting but we cannot ask anyone to follow us. It is forbidden. |
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Post by Isapop on Oct 7, 2020 17:27:45 GMT
So what? It doesn't change the point about God killing children one bit. Did you take this up just to avoid the point? It was a plague in a dramatic story about freeing millions of Hebrews who were enslaved, including children. And that's to say what? That it didn't really happen, so no children were really killed by God? Clear that up, please.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 7, 2020 17:30:13 GMT
It was a plague in a dramatic story about freeing millions of Hebrews who were enslaved, including children. And that's to say what? That it didn't really happen, so no children were really killed by God? Clear that up, please. We Jews are told that our Bible is not a history book. So I don’t know if some of the more dramatic stories take literary license. It came to us 3300 years ago. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 7, 2020 17:31:29 GMT
This guy keeps saying goodbye to me. LOL That's because on each thread you insist I am attacking you and end up repeating yourself. Then at one point you called me a liar, so no attack from you there then. When anyone asks you to, then please feel free to raise this, yet again. Again. (Sorry, was that too attacking?)
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Post by SciFive on Oct 7, 2020 17:34:54 GMT
This guy keeps saying goodbye to me. LOL I think you’re finished. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 7, 2020 17:40:45 GMT
Sorry that is not how open message boards work. Any proof of your God's existence yet, even it 'doesn't need' to provide any? It would be a big help. I promise not take it as a invitation to believe but as a matter of information only. Claims of scripture and personal credulity do not count. (Sorry; was that too attacking again?)
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Post by SciFive on Oct 7, 2020 17:42:31 GMT
He’s not, I guess.  |
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Post by Isapop on Oct 7, 2020 17:54:07 GMT
"A dramatic story"And that's to say what? That it didn't really happen, so no children were really killed by God? Clear that up, please. We Jews are told that our Bible is not a history book. So I don’t know if some of the more dramatic stories take literary license. It came to us 3300 years ago. So you're on the fence as to whether it really happened. OK. But whether it really happened or not doesn't make any difference to what conclusions the reader can draw about God as he is portrayed in the Bible (just as a reader draws conclusions about Hannibal Lector, even though the events in The Silence Of The Lambs didn't really happen). And God, as depicted in the Bible, kills children for the offense of the parents. You can't argue, "The God of the Bible is just and fair as long as you don't count the parts of the Bible that show He isn't."
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 7, 2020 17:56:29 GMT
He’s not, I guess. Should I repeat my request? Or would that be too aggressive?
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Post by SciFive on Oct 7, 2020 18:05:01 GMT
We Jews are told that our Bible is not a history book. So I don’t know if some of the more dramatic stories take literary license. It came to us 3300 years ago. You want to judge an infinite being who created a universe like a regular Joe in text written 3300 years ago? Myself, I don’t second guess the Creator of the Universe and what was written 3300 years ago. I guess the “Cancel Culture” goes back thousands of years now. What is interesting about Jewish tradition is that we aren’t allowed to celebrate Egyptian plague suffering on Passover. We take a bit out of our wine glasses to show glasses not full for each plague. Whether all this really happened or not. There is definite proof that we Jews were here in the land of Israel thousands of years ago but the 40 years in the desert hasn’t been proven. |
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Post by Isapop on Oct 7, 2020 18:34:55 GMT
I guess the “Cancel Culture” goes back thousands of years now. It wouldn't occur to me that disapproving the execution of children could be a part of "Cancel Culture". (I never realized I was so touchy.) Bible believers teach that God will judge US adversely for not believing something that makes no sense - namely that God is both just and that He executes children for the offense of the parent. It's like asking someone to believe that I can draw a circle with four corners. If an idea blatantly contradicts human concepts, then God cannot blame a human for not believing it (especially when He leaves it to other humans to deliver the message).
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Post by SciFive on Oct 7, 2020 18:41:06 GMT
I guess the “Cancel Culture” goes back thousands of years now. It wouldn't occur to me that disapproving the execution of children could be a part of "Cancel Culture". (I never realized I was so touchy.) You don’t know what you’re talking about. The Creator of the Universe is the only One who can judge souls. It’s not a two-way street. Judaism and Christianity are a little different in some ways. Jews were always meant to be a tiny people. Christians were tasked with bringing in BILLIONS OF PEOPLE to Ethical Monotheism. God bless them for this. You want to judge an infinite being as if you’re an equal, go out and create your own universe. |
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Post by Isapop on Oct 7, 2020 18:47:15 GMT
It wouldn't occur to me that disapproving the execution of children could be a part of "Cancel Culture". (I never realized I was so touchy.) You don’t know what you’re talking about. The Creator of the Universe is the only One who can judge souls. It’s not a two-way street. Judaism and Christianity are a little different in some ways. Jews were always meant to be a tiny people. Christians were tasked with bringing in BILLIONS OF PEOPLE to Ethical Monotheism. God bless them for this. You want to judge an infinite being as if you’re an equal, go out and create your own universe. No. I'm judging whether something that makes no sense deserves to be believed. Someone's claim of drawing a circle with four corners doesn't deserve to be believed. Neither does the claim that God is both just and executes children.
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Post by SciFive on Oct 7, 2020 18:48:22 GMT
You don’t know what you’re talking about. The Creator of the Universe is the only One who can judge souls. It’s not a two-way street. Judaism and Christianity are a little different in some ways. Jews were always meant to be a tiny people. Christians were tasked with bringing in BILLIONS OF PEOPLE to Ethical Monotheism. God bless them for this. You want to judge an infinite being as if you’re an equal, go out and create your own universe. When you’ve created a universe, let me know. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 7, 2020 19:10:14 GMT
When you’ve created a universe, let me know. And the positive evidence that the universe was created supernaturally is... Or would that be 'trying to make us believe it'?
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Post by SciFive on Oct 7, 2020 19:18:17 GMT
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Post by SciFive on Oct 7, 2020 19:31:03 GMT
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Post by SciFive on Oct 7, 2020 19:33:51 GMT
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